It seems clear to me that there is nothing in the Genesis account of creation that says there were no meat eaters in the Garden. But there is nothing that says that there weren't meat eaters outside the garden. The garden, after all, was not the whole earth, but simply an area in Eden, however big the garden was.
Do you think there is something wrong with what you are referring to as a violent environment? Do you think the violence of nature, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, avalanches, etc., as we know it is wrong? Do you think that the violence represented by predators feeding on prey is wrong? If so, why?
Why the contrast drawn here by Isaiah?
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I think that entire passage is very metaphoric. I do not believe in a "physical" next life. I believe it will be entirely spirit oriented. But we have such little, if any at all, experiential knowledge of such spirit-oriented life, that there is no way describe it other than by metaphor.Why the contrast drawn here by Isaiah?
“And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fattened steer will be together; And a little boy will lead them.
Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox.
The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra, And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den.
They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.”
(Isaiah 11:6-9 NAS20)
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I suspect that those creatures might not have the knowledge of the LORD.Why the contrast drawn here by Isaiah?
“And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fattened steer will be together; And a little boy will lead them.
Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox.
The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra, And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den.
They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.”
(Isaiah 11:6-9 NAS20)
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That is ludicrous. My commentary did not add anything to that scripture that was not in that scripture. It did not take anything away from that scripture that was not in that scripture. That is what it means to believe that it says what it means and means what it says. There is no need to go farther since the argument from your side has now arrived at telling me I deceive myself and try to deceive others when I quote Gen 2:30. What it says is that God gave every green thing as food for everything that had breath. What it does not say is that he gave beasts other beasts for food and he gave beasts for food for mankind. You are not even debating the scripture anymore but are going personal.
Then why speculate that there were and drawing that conclusion and handling of the word, and teaching the speculation, and add to your interpretation of Scripture (and theology) that is a worldview (a view that is arrived at by viewing the world as it is after the fall), appying that view to God and the world, as you have done in your response to Is 11:6-9.
Yes.
All people die. Even the good and sinless Adam and Eve were going to die. The were made mortal, not immortal (an immortal being cannot die). God told them they would die the day they ate. He did not say they would die a week later, a month later, a century later, etc. The day they ate they would die dying. The death they experienced was that of being dead in sin (some call it "spiritual death"). Adam disobeyed God and instantaneously became dead in sin. He walked around breathing air and pumping blood, plodding through what remained of his life - 900+ years of life - as an animated corpse. His destiny was assured the moment he disobeyed God. He was going to die dead, die physically while dead in sin.
You and others keep talking about the fall as if it were anything other than Adam sinning. There is no statement about the fall of the world anywhere in scripture. {edit}
Spiritual death is not taught anywhere in Scripture.
Yes...Prior to the fall Eve didn't have a sin nature. She could sin....which means she doesn't have a sin nature.
Yes, Jesus was different...Jesus is God.
Only God could pay that price.
Well....Jesus was fully God and fully man.....Adam was created with out a sin nature....regular people, not so much. Upon being born again we do have the God the Holy Spirit in us.
If you say so. You're the expert...right????
Well, it might help your cause if you could show some text where Adam is said to have different flesh than Jesus and the rest of man.
I think it was Shakespeare who said “the wish is father to the thought”.
Yes, we all have the same skin and bones....
There is, and I have given it to you but you simply say that you do not believe that is what it is saying. And that is done by presupposing already held beliefs onto the scripture. And those beliefs that interpret the scripture I will give, are based (by your own admission of how you arrive at them)on a worldly world view. By looking at the world (all created things and all natural events) and then interpreting the scripture accordingly. But there is much throughout the scriptures that contradict that view---starting with who God is as self revealed, even in the story of creation.
Are all desires sinful?
