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The Trinity before human time
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Straw man.
Those who came out of their graves were holy people (Mt 27:53).
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They were spirits without a literal body .
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There is no trinity in the OT.
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It doesnt say resurrected to life.
So who knew they were there?
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PSST!! It's time to give up your fantasy.
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There are write ups through history supporting both sides. No one is 100% sure, thus such matters shouldn't be discussed.
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All God's Chilluns Gots "Theologies".
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The same ones that entered you could say the "cloud of witnes" .
Hebrew 11;39 . . .All die not receiving the promised new incorruptible bodies.
What she the bride of Christ will be is not given
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be
Heb 11:39 does not refer to incorruptible bodies. . .a long way from it.
Let me inform you that Jesus and his bride, the church--of both OT and NT saints and, therefore, his body in the two-in-on enfleshment of the marital union (Eph 5:30-32), is the total purpose of God's plan. Everything God does is for the accomplishment of that single purpose.
You grievously err when you make anything else the focus of God's purpose on earth.
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3:2 "it has not appeared as yet what we will be" This speaks of John's inability to describe these end-time events (cf. Acts 1:7) or the exact nature of the resurrected body (cf. 1 Cor. 15:35-49). This also shows that 1 John 2:27 does not mean exhaustive knowledge in every area. Even Jesus' knowledge of this event was limited while He was incarnate (cf. Matt. 24:36; Mark 13:22).
"when He appears"
The term "when" introduces a THIRD CLASS CONDITIONAL SENTENCE. It is used here not to question the Second Coming, but to express its uncertain date. John, although emphasizing a full salvation now, also expects a Second Coming.
"we will be like Him"
This involves the consummation of our Christlikeness (cf. 2 Cor. 3:18; Eph. 4:13; Phil. 3:21; and Col. 3:4). This is often called "glorification" (cf. Rom. 8:28-30). This is the culmination of our salvation! This eschatological transformation is related to the full restoration of God's image in humans created in His likeness (cf. Gen. 1:26; 5:1,3; 9:6). Intimate fellowship with God is again possible!
"because we will see Him just as He is"
Job longed to see God (cf. Job 19:25-27). Jesus told us that the pure in heart will see God (cf. Matt. 5:8). To see Him in His fullness means that we will be changed into His likeness (cf. 1 Cor. 13:12). This refers to the glorification of the believer (cf. Rom. 8:29) at the Second Coming. If "justification" means freedom from the penalty of sin and "sanctification" means freedom from the power of sin, then "glorification" means freedom from the presence of sin!
3:3 "everyone"
The Greek term pas appears seven times from 1 John 2:29 to 3:10. There are no exceptions. John presents truth in stark, black-or-white categories. One is either the child of God or the child of Satan (cf. 1 John 2:29; 3:3,4,6 [twice],9,10).
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"this hope"
In Paul this term often refers to Resurrection Day (cf. Acts 23:6; 24:15; 26:6-7; Rom. 8:20-25; 1 Thess. 2:19; Titus 2:13; 1 Pet. 1:3,21). It expresses the certainty of the event, but with an ambiguous time element.
John does not speak of "the hope" of the Second Coming as frequently as other NT authors. This is the only use of the term in his writings. He focuses on the benefits and obligations of "abiding" in Christ now! However, this is not to imply he did not expect an end-time judgment of evil (cf. 1 John 2:18) and end-time glorification of the believer (cf. 1 John 3:1-3).
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No it refers to the corrupted dying .(all die) Not the incorruptible never die never age no multiplying. Not this worlds order at all
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It has nothing do do with powerless flesh and blood, rudiments of this world after the oral traditions of powerless mankind . All flesh signified as sinful (corrupted) all flesh returns to the lifeless spiritless dust new rudiment element no bandaids.
We simply do not know Christ but observing the temporal corrupted things seen
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Yes a single purpose the pursuit of the city of Christ prepared for his bride the church not of this world signified as garden of eden the new heavens and earth.
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Only these got it right-Matt 24:45
The incorruptible are the resurrection bodies of the saints in eternity.
We know Christ in the Spirit.
The New Jerusalem is figurative of the bride of Christ.
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We know Christ as the Spirit. God is spirit .
We know Jesus the Son of man after the flesh
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Yes, not of the flesh what the eyes see.
