The Sign Gifts have ceased

[Wordsmith]

Wrong . It’s no different than any other gift for the body. If one has the gift of teaching then it’s used all of the time, same with preaching, evangelism , Apostle , prophet, discernment, giving , encouragement etc….

1. Administration
2. Being an apostle
3. Discernment
4. Evangelism
5. Exhortation
6. Faith
7. Giving
8. Healing
9. Helps
10. Hospitality
11. Knowledge
12. Leadership
13. Mercy
14. Prophecy
15. Serving
16. Speaking in tongues
17. Teaching (sometimes known as shepherding)
18. Wisdom

Wrong! Why would you ever compare a gift you say had ceased with one you believe is active?

 

[civic]

Wrong! Why would you ever compare a gift you say had ceased with one you believe is active?

The issue which you are avoiding is the gift given is the responsibility of the recipients to use . We are responsible and accountable to God for how we use the gifts and talents He bestows on us who are believers to build up and edify the body .

 

[Wordsmith]

The issue which you are avoiding is the gift given is the responsibility of the recipients to use . We are responsible and accountable to God for how we use the gifts and talents He bestows on us who are believers to build up and edify the body .

How am the one ignoring an issue here.? You are yet to even comment on my testimony. You have not yet attempted to explain how many still receive miracles and testify of them.You are the one ignoring the truth of scripture to do away with that which God has placed in the church.

Let's look at your list and see what is ignored by whom.

1.Administration: 1 Corinthians 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord

2. Being an Apostle: Ephesians 4:11b And he gave some, apostles
Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

3. Discernment: (actually discerning of spirits)
1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of
tongues: to another the interpretation of tongues:

4. Evangelism:
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Do you ignore apostles and prophets from this passage and accept the others?

5. Exhortation:
1 Corinthians 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
You have ignored the connection of extortion to he that prophesieth.

6. Faith
1 Corinthians 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; Not general faith but a special gift of extraordinary faith given by the Spirit for a special situation or miracle.

7. Giving: Romans 12:8 he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity,

8. Healing:
1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts
of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
This says "gifts of healings" not men with the ability to heal at will. Have you ignored the wording of this passage? Gifts of healings are given by the Spirit sometimes men are used sometimes not.

9. Helps:
1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
How many of these gifts do you ignore?

10. Hospitality: Romans 12:13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

11. Knowledge :1 Corinthians 12:8 To another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit: Not just general knowledge but a specific word given by the Spirit for a specific purpose. Knowledge not known except it be revealed by the Spirit.

12. Leadership Romans 12: "he that ruleth" with diligence

13. Mercy.: Romans 12:8 he that showery mercy, with cheerfulness

14. Prophecy: Romans 12:6 whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
Do you ignore this gift?

15. Serving:

16.Speaking in tongues:
1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
Do you also ignore that there are different "divers" kinds of tongues used for different purposes?
You ignore interpretation of tongues a totally separate gift.

17.Teaching (sometimes known as shepherding): Romans 12:7 or he that teachers on teaching

18.Wisdom: 1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; This not a person who is generally wise ie is a specific WORD OF WISDOM given by the Spirit for a specific situation

How many of these scriptural gifts set in the church by God, did you remove from the church in your OP?

From my observation anything that had to do with the miraculous or the supernatural abilities of the Spirit. Why is that? God has not changed.

 

[Wordsmith]

The issue which you are avoiding is the gift given is the responsibility of the recipients to use . We are responsible and accountable to God for how we use the gifts and talents He bestows on us who are believers to build up and edify the body .

No I am not ignoring that but it is the "responsibility" of the church to allow the Spirit to impart and guide the use of the gifts. Men do not control the Spirit. There supernatural gifts and non supernatural gifts. Men control the choice to give or not give , but men do not control the gifts of healing, the Spirit of God does that.

 

[civic]

How am the one ignoring an issue here.? You are yet to even comment on my testimony. You have not yet attempted to explain how many still receive miracles and testify of them.You are the one ignoring the truth of scripture to do away with that which God has placed in the church.

Let's look at your list and see what is ignored by whom.

1.Administration: 1 Corinthians 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord

2. Being an Apostle: Ephesians 4:11b And he gave some, apostles
Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

3. Discernment: (actually discerning of spirits)
1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of
tongues: to another the interpretation of tongues:

4. Evangelism:
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Do you ignore apostles and prophets from this passage and accept the others?

5. Exhortation:
1 Corinthians 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
You have ignored the connection of extortion to he that prophesieth.

6. Faith
1 Corinthians 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; Not general faith but a special gift of extraordinary faith given by the Spirit for a special situation or miracle.

7. Giving: Romans 12:8 he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity,

8. Healing:
1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts
of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
This says "gifts of healings" not men with the ability to heal at will. Have you ignored the wording of this passage? Gifts of healings are given by the Spirit sometimes men are used sometimes not.

9. Helps:
1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
How many of these gifts do you ignore?

10. Hospitality: Romans 12:13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

11. Knowledge :1 Corinthians 12:8 To another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit: Not just general knowledge but a specific word given by the Spirit for a specific purpose. Knowledge not known except it be revealed by the Spirit.

12. Leadership Romans 12: "he that ruleth" with diligence

13. Mercy.: Romans 12:8 he that showery mercy, with cheerfulness

14. Prophecy: Romans 12:6 whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
Do you ignore this gift?

15. Serving:

16.Speaking in tongues:
1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
Do you also ignore that there are different "divers" kinds of tongues used for different purposes?
You ignore interpretation of tongues a totally separate gift.

17.Teaching (sometimes known as shepherding): Romans 12:7 or he that teachers on teaching

18.Wisdom: 1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; This not a person who is generally wise ie is a specific WORD OF WISDOM given by the Spirit for a specific situation

How many of these scriptural gifts set in the church by God, did you remove from the church in your OP?

From my observation anything that had to do with the miraculous or the supernatural abilities of the Spirit. Why is that? God has not changed.

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. God does not change He gives and takes away at His discretion.

 

[civic]

No I am not ignoring that but it is the "responsibility" of the church to allow the Spirit to impart and guide the use of the gifts. Men do not control the Spirit. There supernatural gifts and non supernatural gifts. Men control the choice to give or not give , but men do not control the gifts of healing, the Spirit of God does that.

No its up to the individual to use the gift God has given him to build up others in the body. You contradicted yourself if its the church's responsibility to allow the spirit to guide then the church is controlling the spirit.

Plus you are making distinctions on who and how gifts are used. Either God controls, the church controls or man controls his gift.

If I have the gift of encouragement thats up to me to encourage others not God, the same with giving- God doesn't give for me I do the giving. Either all the gifts are used the same or you have nothing but confusion on how the gifts are used.

Paul instucts them how to use their gift of tongues and doing it in an orderly fashion. So they must of been able to know they were suppose used that gift and control how and when it was appropriate.

 

[Wordsmith]

No its up to the individual to use the gift God has given him to build up others in the body. You contradicted yourself if its the church's responsibility to allow the spirit to guide then the church is controlling the spirit.

Plus you are making distinctions on who and how gifts are used. Either God controls, the church controls or man controls his gift.

If I have the gift of encouragement thats up to me to encourage others not God, the same with giving- God doesn't give for me I do the giving. Either all the gifts are used the same or you have nothing but confusion on how the gifts are used.

Paul instucts them how to use their gift of tongues and doing it in an orderly fashion. So they must of been able to know they were suppose used that gift and control how and when it was appropriate.

So I guess this how you believe men had the gift of healing used it at their desecration. Tell me how does a believer control God to reveal information they do not have? You are confusing different gifts and have no knowledge on how they work as the Spirit wills. You can chose to be submissive to the Spirit of God or not. If God speaks to you and tells you to lay hands on someone for their healing and you doubt within yourself or just refuse to obey that person just might not be healed or God might find someone else who will obey to use. The supernatural gifts are not carried around in our pockets to pull out as we see fit.

 

[Wordsmith]

Either all the gifts are used the same or you have nothing but confusion on how the gifts are used.

This is not accurate. I give if I choose I do not heal if I choose , God chooses to use me in that way or not.

 

[civic]

This is not accurate. I give if I choose I do not heal if I choose , God chooses to use me in that way or not.

Thats your opinion with no biblical evidence. Prove that from Scripture. I just gave you an example with a sign gift which is tongues that can be controlled by the person.

 

[Wordsmith]

Thats your opinion with no biblical evidence. Prove that from Scripture. I just gave you an example with a sign gift which is tongues that can be controlled by the person.

1 Corinthians 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.


The believers are just the conduit! The Sprit provides the gifts. The Spirit gives the tongue you can open your mouth or not.

The Spirit of God gives the prophecy you can speak it forth or not.
1 Corinthians 14:32
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

The Spirit of God gives a word of knowledge you can impart it or not.

The Spirit of God gives a word of wisdom you can impart it or not.

The Sprit of God provides healings and miracles you can be used by God in that process or not.

God blesses you with material things you can share them or not.

I do have an opinion and that is you are not teaching this topic from the word of God you are repeating church teaching that is in error. That is my opinion backed with scripture, and experience. You refuse to deal with my testimony from a Biblical perspective, you refuse to address the fact that many testify of miracles in our day. You are mixing supernatural gifts with non supernatural gifts, and are trying to tell us how gifts you don't even believe in work.

 

[yitoz]

I tend to not to try and put God in a box and dictate what He can or cannot do, or what He will or will not do; that is within reason of course. IMO, attempting to define what God does or does not do, kind of reminds me of the muslim drivel that allah (god) has no son. I would agree with the muslim in that their allah (god) indeed has no son. However that is not the case with the God of Israel, who claims a son in the Tanakh. Just my 2 cents. Cheers.

 

[Carbon]

I tend to not to try and put God in a box and dictate what He can or cannot do, or what He will or will not do; that is within reason of course. IMO, attempting to define what God does or does not do, kind of reminds me of the muslim drivel that allah (god) has no son. I would agree with the muslim in that their allah (god) indeed has no son. However that is not the case with the God of Israel, who claims a son in the Tanakh. Just my 2 cents. Cheers.

I agree, I wouldnt put God in a box either.

 

[Sereni-tea]

I tend to not to try and put God in a box and dictate what He can or cannot do, or what He will or will not do; that is within reason of course. IMO, attempting to define what God does or does not do, kind of reminds me of the muslim drivel that allah (god) has no son. I would agree with the muslim in that their allah (god) indeed has no son. However that is not the case with the God of Israel, who claims a son in the Tanakh. Just my 2 cents. Cheers.

I also agree that we shouldn't try to put God in a box.
I see no evidence in Scripture that these spritual gifts have ended and much testimony, including @Wordsmith's own, that such miracles continue to happen today to the Glory of God.

 

[RoBo1988]

James 5:13-16
"and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and The Lord shall raise him up" (v. 15)

 

[RoBo1988]

Romans 11:29 "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance (irrevocable)"
The gifts are to glorify God and the church; any other ambition is wickedness Acts 8:21-22
"a spiritual gift is an ability to express, celebrate, display, and so communicate Christ in a way that builds up and strengthens the faith of other Christians, and enlarges the church" -The Reformation Study Bible (Book of Ephesians Comment: "Gifts and Ministries")

 

[ChristB4us]

No because I and countless thousands have experienced these gifts you claim are gone. Do you not see the problem with what is happening here?

What did Jesus say about seeking a sign from the Lord?

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Believers and those that believed that moment when they were saved; that seek proof or a sign of salvation are committing spiritual adultery.

You expect me to believe for one second this teaching is valid when I and many others know from experience that is not true?.

I myself believe the gifts had not ceased yet for why discerning of spirits and prophesy is still ongoing, but since Paul as led by the Spirit, was exhorting saved believers in 1 Corinthians 14th chapter that seek after spiritual gifts, to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts because tongues alone cannot be fruitful to the believer until it is interpreted by another.

And yet the Welsh Revival of 1904-1905 & Azusa Street Revival 1906-1909 would place an emphasis on the baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues; thus committing spiritual adultery against Jesus Christ and it is still gong on today after other signs too.

You have backed yourself into a theological corner you can not possibly teach your way out of.

Let's just start with my own testimony. Then you explain what happened to me from your belief system.

I went to a revival meeting the evangelist gave a general altar call for any one who wanted to pray no specifics just a time to pray.

I and many others went forward the evangelists moved across the front praying with different people. When he got to me He looked me in the eye and said "you have a problem in your stomach and the Lord is healing you. " A "word of knowledge" one of the gifts many claim are no longer with us.

1. I had never meet the man
2. I did have some kind of issue in my stomach which at times was very painful but it would come and go. It was actually physically visible at times. I never went to a doctor but I feel its was a hernia.
3. I had never discussed this with any human being on the planet, I just didn't talk about it.
4. This problem was recurring over at least a year or more.
5. I didn't go to that altar with this on my mind but the Lord knew about it and through His mercy and the "Gift of healing" I was healed about 40 years ago and the problem has never surfaced again.

I really don't understand why it is so important to some to claim all for this went away but I can assure you God still heals today and sometimes He uses His people in the process.

This is a minor miracle but a miracle none the less. Many have had far more dramatic miracles. So you see there is nothing you can teach that could every change what I and countless others know to be true.

How did the evangelist know I had a problem? Why has it never returned after that day?

Diviners and psychics can do the same. You may have shared that with someone that shared it with him. It is not beyond the realm of possibility.

Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade was a supernatural phenomenon like your evangelists too. He would point to an area in the crowd where he prophesied someone being with an illness for him to ask for hands raised and as it turned out, more than one hand was raised.

Then for those that came forward for a miracle, he would pushed on their forehead as they were to fall backwards for the catchers to catch them and lay them to the ground but he would announce the "falling of the Holy Spirit" on them for causing them to do that for their sought miracle or healing. Now some do lose self control but I did not experience that for the two times on Saturday & Sunday, my parents took me and my brother there for a healing of our ears. Neither one of us got healed but I did felt a tickling sensation in my deaf ear but it went away.

The next day after school, I was unusually tired and so I took a nap. When I had awakened, there was a buzzing in the room as I could not move. I had prayed to the Lord for help and then I was able to flip my right hand from the wrist up, and then my left. Then my right forearm and then the left. Then as I lift my right shoulder blade off of the bed, the weight seemingly rolled off and I was able to move again.

So that phenomenon came from going to that place where Jesus warned us not to go.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

So when people point you to that baptism of the holy Spirit with evidence of tongues, or for any sign or even a healing or a casting out of devils as this man Ernest Angeley's was also known for, that is not the same as pointing you to Jesus Christ for believing in Him.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

The iniquity is by broadening the way to come to God the Father by and that is by pointing believers to seek that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues or for other signs rather than by pointing to Jesus Christ.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

See that? They were doing all those wonderful things in Jesus's name, even casting out of devils, but they were workers of iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

By not heeding His words for how we are to come to the Son of God for life & for anything else is why saved believers will lose self control in those apostate movements of the spirit from which many disguise it as a revival when it is not, but a falling away from the faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Wordsmith]

Diviners and psychics can do the same. You may have shared that with someone that shared it with him. It is not beyond the realm of possibility.

It absolutely is not possible in my case . Apparently you did not fully read my post. I said “3. I had never discussed this with any human being on the planet, I just didn't talk about it.”. I was not seeking A sign for anything God healed me because He is merciful God. Stories of fake “healers” do nothing to change my beliefs . There are fake preachers and pastors. We don’t label all false because some are. The need for discerning of spirits did not go away, demons did not disappear when Jesus ascended, I can only tell what happened to me you nor anyone else is required to believe me. Nothing you nor any else can say will change my beliefs with stories of fake Christians , scripture said we would have them, God is still the same miracle working God He has always been.

 

[ChristB4us]

It absolutely is not possible in my case . Apparently you did not fully read my post. I said “3. I had never discussed this with any human being on the planet, I just didn't talk about it.”.

I understand but that other explanation was offered in the event in case you had forgotten that you did, but the first explanation can be done by diviners and psychics.

I was not seeking A sign for anything God healed me because He is merciful God. Stories of fake “healers” do nothing to change my beliefs .

Oh, but healing can occur.

The History of Tongues: Pagan Practices

"Ecstatic language was a common form of worship in pagan temples.i It was well established in Ancient Byblos (1100 BC). Plato (429-347 BC) mentions it as a phenomenon in his time. He tells us that a person under divine possession received utterances and visions that the receiver did not understand.

These utterances were sometimes accompanied by physical healing of people present. Virgil (70-19 BC) tells us that the Sibylline priestess, when in prayer, united her spirit with the god Apollo and spoke in strange tongues.ii" end of quote
This is why tongues are never for private use.
In Voodooism they can cast out devils too. Bill Rudge Ministries can testify to being in Haiti where three or four people brandishing reeds were whipping someone possessed by a devil to cast it out and probably saying something as well. I cannot recall his account fully for how they did it. I had inquired of he did not do anything and he said he just moved on, leaving them alone as he was not going to get involved in that..

There are fake preachers and pastors. We don’t label all false because some are. The need for discerning of spirits did not go away, demons did not disappear when Jesus ascended, I can only tell what happened to me you nor anyone else is required to believe me. Nothing you nor any else can say will change my beliefs with stories of fake Christians , scripture said we would have them, God is still the same miracle working God He has always been.

I am not crying fakes or whatever, because supernatural phenomenon can occur outside of Jesus Christ for why the apostle John warned believers are not to believe every spirit but test them.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Verse 2 above is the same as saying 2 Corinthians 13:5 of Jesus Christ is in you as saying where Jesus Christ IS PRESENTLY. It is not about refuting the heresy as if Jesus had never come in the flesh in the past when John used the term "is come" as meaning where He is as being in us.

The following verses below proves this is rightly dividing the word of truth as that spirit which is outside of us in the world is the spirit of the antichrist for why that line of discernment is verse 4 as He that is greater within you than he that is in the world.

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Below is also why we are to test the tongues that these spirits bring because if it is gibberish nonsense for why no interpretation is coming, then it is not of Him at all for God is not the author of confusion but of peace in ALL churches of the saints.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

So you do not need to seek anything but if you wanted a healing, that can open yourself up to whatever spirit that evangelist is peddling.

Defeat such as effort by trusting Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd in keeping your eyes on the Son, the Bridegroom for He will be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ and if you speak in tongues, shun it and pray normally instead and chase no more for a filling of the "spirit".

 

[Wordsmith]

I understand but that other explanation was offered in the event in case you had forgotten that you did, but the first explanation can be done by diviners and psychics.

Oh, but healing can occur.

It appears you and I are reading different Bibles. I really can't understand why so many who name the name of Christ exert so much energy limiting "the Holy One Of Israel". God can heal 'BUT" is the main theme for many. God the creator of the universe in the past did heal and do miraculous things but no more in this "mondern age". A desperate person riddled with illness cannot seek God for mercy and healing without being accused of "seeking and sign" or using "Diviners and psychics". My friend it is you "peddling" another gospel. You speak of rightly dividing the word of God while peddling stories of fake healers and false prophets while ignoring what scripture actually says on these matters for the church.

The History of Tongues: Pagan Practices

"Ecstatic language was a common form of worship in pagan temples.i It was well established in Ancient Byblos (1100 BC). Plato (429-347 BC) mentions it as a phenomenon in his time. He tells us that a person under divine possession received utterances and visions that the receiver did not understand.

These utterances were sometimes accompanied by physical healing of people present. Virgil (70-19 BC) tells us that the Sibylline priestess, when in prayer, united her spirit with the god Apollo and spoke in strange tongues.ii" end of quote
This is why tongues are never for private use.

Maybe you should actually study the Bible and tell Paul "tongues are never for private use."

In Voodooism they can cast out devils too.

Really!!! So should I believe from your statement Christians can actually do something the followers of voodoo can do. Read your Bible, Luke 11:18 Jesus Himself was actually accused of using something akin to voodoo.

Are you throwing out discerning of spirits and casting out devils from the pages of scripture? My friend satan does not cast out satan. Evil spirits do not cast out evil spirits.

Bill Rudge Ministries can testify to being in Haiti where three or four people brandishing reeds were whipping someone possessed by a devil to cast it out and probably saying something as well. I cannot recall his account fully for how they did it. I had inquired of he did not do anything and he said he just moved on, leaving them alone as he was not going to get involved in that..

More useless stories to try and help prove God is weak and Christians are powerless.

I am not crying fakes or whatever, because supernatural phenomenon can occur outside of Jesus Christ for why the apostle John warned believers are not to believe every spirit but test them.

Can miracles from God actually happen in your world? I would be curious to know just exactly what you believe our God the creator of the universe can and does do? It appears from your post you give the voodoo followers more credit and ability for the supernatural than God Almighty. So sad.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Verse 2 above is the same as saying 2 Corinthians 13:5 of Jesus Christ is in you as saying where Jesus Christ IS PRESENTLY. It is not about refuting the heresy as if Jesus had never come in the flesh in the past when John used the term "is come" as meaning where He is as being in us.

The following verses below proves this is rightly dividing the word of truth as that spirit which is outside of us in the world is the spirit of the antichrist for why that line of discernment is verse 4 as He that is greater within you than he that is in the world.

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Below is also why we are to test the tongues that these spirits bring because if it is gibberish nonsense for why no interpretation is coming, then it is not of Him at all for God is not the author of confusion but of peace in ALL churches of the saints.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Maybe spend some time learning from scripture what is actually said about tongues and less time regurgitating what some misguided preachers are "peddling".

So you do not need to seek anything but if you wanted a healing, that can open yourself up to whatever spirit that evangelist is peddling.

Why are you pretending to have a clue you know what you are talking about in my case? Yes we should try the spirits and we should test them and teachings against the word of God not against the stories of fakers that the Word said would surely come.

Defeat such as effort by trusting Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd in keeping your eyes on the Son, the Bridegroom for He will be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ and if you speak in tongues, shun it and pray normally instead and chase no more for a filling of the "spirit".

If you are going to advise and instruct the body of Christ, try to actually use the Bible and not stories of fakers and followers of voodoo. Stop telling us what God cannot do or does not do any more, tell us that the creator of the universe can and still does miraculous things for His children.

 

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Remember to note who the sign was for. Things are pretty specific and confined.