Many denominations make a division in Matthew 24. There is no division in Jesus' answer to the three question in verse 3. Verse 20's praying that our flight not be in the winter nor the Sabbath is connected to all of it my friends by the use of the conjunctive particles, for, and, for. wherefore, for, for and, and respectively. This means that Jesus expected His follows to be keeping the Sabbath until His return. And the adverb "then" in verse 24 shows us that what is about to be said relies on what was previously stated. Verse 26's use of the particle "wherefore" shows us that what is about to be said is connected to verse 24. The context also makes this apparent. Then with the continuous use of the particle "for" in verses 27 and 28 coupled with the particle "and" in verses 30 and 31 we are shown what is about to be said is directly connected to what was said the whole way back to verse 4 actually. So as was said Jesús expected and therefore expects His follows to be keeping the Sabbath up through the destruction of the Temple through the tribulation prior to and up to His Second coming and the gathering of the elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven unto the other. Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The Sabbath in End times
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Treat yourself to a paragraph sometime.
The passage was for those in 1st cent. Judaism. You will notice that the Sabbath did not make the Gentile list of Acts 15's letter.
Rather than a positive embrace of the Sabbath, the line should be seen as a specific street-wise precaution: try not to flee the city on a Sabbath because the Sabbath police from the temple and some synagogues will seize and beat you. He was speaking of those who had to escape Jerusalem in that generation.
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Yet you don't address the grammar and syntax. As a matter of fact for the sake of dogma you ignore it..
Yet you don't address the grammar and syntax. As a matter of fact for the sake of dogma you ignore it..
The grammar as showed above connects verse 20 and before to the point where Jesus speaks of the tribulation prior to the gathering of the elect from one end of heaven unto the other. So no it is not speaking to just Jews it speaks to all of Christendom down to the point when the Elect are gathered from one end of heaven unto the other.
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It was originally spoken to that generation about those issues. The end of the whole world was expected soon after the destruction of Israel.
But the end was delayed (we are here!). Allowance for such a delay is found in a few related passages. The most specific would be 2 Peter 3 where it is the topic.
Delayed or not, God through Christ expected His' to be keeping the Sabbath through the tribulation up to His second coming when the elect are gathered from one end of heaven unto the other. This is brought out as shown above. Jesus is not a false prophet.
If we keep any of the 10 Commandments today, why would we not keep them all?
Especially since there's no clear teaching to disregard any of them, certainly not by Christ.
They were written in stone, by the way.
Kinda symbolic of forever, don't ya think?
I think God was making a point.
Not a salvation as in unmerited cannot merit issue More of how do you interpret? as private interpretation each one's personal commentary or opinion
Not something to judge more of something to discuss
Rest (sabbath)is not a "time sensitive" word . Making it one violates commandments as warning of God not to add or subtract
I would think first and foremost The foundation of the word as to its intended meaning cannot be changed as introducing a new author.
I would call it spiritual plagiarism, violating the first commandment . In effect saying. Have no other teaching authority before me as antichrists (another teaching authority) other than sola scriptura as it is written.
In that way there must be oral traditions of men that divide the denomination as different formats .
His kingdom does not come by looking at the temporal dying thing of this world . . walking by sight . There can be differences as long as they do not do despite the fullness of grace the whole cost of salvation which some do.
David in the Psalms in effect declared . . destroy the original meaning of one word and add your own. What could those do the are rightly dividing the word hoping to seek the approval of the Father ?
Can't serve two teaching masters the living word of God and the oral tradition of dying mankind.
Psalm 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
Can words mean whatever we think, faithless wondering words? Like the tower of Babble when God took away their understanding of each other. It the confusion is increasing picking up speed today. Ff you have been around for 50 or so years it's easier to see. Many chanting groups today or what some call sign gift tongues.
You are not addressing the post you are responding to. That God through Christ expected His' to be keeping the Sabbath through the tribulation up to His second coming when the elect are gathered from one end of heaven unto the other. This is brought out as shown above.
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Hebrews explains another kind of sabbath to keep.
Jesus expected His followers to be keeping the Sabbath up to and through the tribulation to His second coming when every eye shall see Him when the elect shall be gathered together from the one end of heaven unto the other according to the grammar and context of Matt24. It is plain as day. There is no argument against it. Don't kick against the pricks..
Hebrews 8-10 is dealing with the Temple services and the Levitical priest which is done away with through Christ being the High priest. Those laws have been changed.
In regard to Acts 15 there is an issue with your reasoning. Because there are a ton of things not on that list. If your line of thought was true then it was okay for the recipients of the letter to steal, bear false witness, covet, worship other gods, dishonor their mothers and fathers, and to kill to name a few. And if I may ask a question do you abstain from blood and things strangled. If not then you might want to reconsider your line of reasoning in respect to that also.
So we can assume that they had a baseline already since the call to our God was to repent. What were they to repent from? What is the definition of sin?
And it seems you are missing something. verse 21 in Acts 15 starts with the word "for". This as you know means what is about to be said is directly connected and the reason for what was just said in the preceding verse. So when the list in verse 20 was compiled they had in mind that Moses was going to be read in every city on the Sabbath Day. So that implies two things. One, Because Moses is read they will get what the Lord would have them have on the Sabbath every week. And two, they would be meeting on the Sabbath.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
No it doesn't.
2 rest in Hebrews 4 not one. The rest which is the Gospel and the seventh day Sabbath rest. They are not the same.
How do we know?
The works for the Gospel rest were finished from the foundation of the world. For God had rested from all His works. Which include the rest which is the Gospel according to verse three's usage of the word although. It says that He spake in a certain place. The only time the Seventh day was spoken by God was on Mt Sinai in the giving of the Commandments.
Verse 5 says in this again. In this again what? In this again He speaks of the seventh day if they shall enter into His rest which is the Gospel.
How does He speak?
Verse 9 and 10 tell tells us. It says there remains therefore a Sabbath Keeping to the people of God. For He that has entered in His rest which is the Gospel also in addition to this rest Also ceases from his own work as God did from His.
As God did from His is a direct comparison. Did God enter into the rest of salvation in Christ? No!
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God. (Footnote: aThe Greek word is sabattismos, which means Sabbath-keeping.)
Heb 4:10 For the one, having entered into His rest, has himself also rested from his works, as God rested from His own.
The word Sabbath is not a time sensitive word it means "rest" with no other meaning added . Trying to change it into a time sensitive word destroys the meaning of the word
The gospel rest spoken of is according the Hebrews 4 is 24 /7 eternal. Every time a person performs a work yoked with Christ they have rested with Him . Its not a one day a week rest. . Can't wordships weekly ceremonies as shadows that do nothing to the those who practice
The only ceremonial law (shadow as a parable or figure of speech ) from the old order under a Levi passed to the new, the ceremonial baptism under Judah the Son of man, Jesus. Christ as our Holy Father working in mankind our high priest
One new ceremonial law ( shadow) 1 Corinthians 11 replaces all the previous shadows of Christ our husband "sufferings before hand" every piece of furniture represented Christ sufferings before hand (1 Peter ). That shadow or new order (1 Corinthians 11) will be fulfilled in the new when the wedding supper will consummate the shadows.
1 Peter 1: 9-11 Receiving the end of your (new born again ) faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ (the first century reformation) which was in them did signify, (parable) when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Again not a sign unto their own powerless dying flesh as if it could profit for something . We look to the unseen eternal rest . Not to a weekly fast when we can share the gospel gathering together .
Many bypass the "first century reformation" when the old testament shadows became sight
Hebrews 9:8-10 The Holy Spirit uses this to show that the way into the Most Holy Place was not open. This was while the system of the old Holy Tent was still being used This is an example for the present time. It shows that the gifts and sacrifices offered cannot make the worshiper perfect in his heart. These gifts and sacrifices were only about food and drink and special washings. They were rules for the body, to be followed until the time of God’s new way.
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Please see my book THE COVENANT REVOLT. Mattt 24 to v29 was ‘plain as day’ for that generation. The delay is after that we now know. All NT believers clearly expected the whole world to be judged ‘right after ‘ the destruction of Israel; Rom 2; I Cor 7 about the soon change of ages affecting all business, marriage, possessions .
The debatable keeping of the sabbath is well known from passages like Rom 14. Jews returned from eviction from Rom and were stumped that people were Christians but not keeping sabbath. They were to accept them, and all, each other.
The Chr groups did not mostly stay in synagogues .
Yes Heb 8-10 is about those things as a pattern of change in a book that already told us on ch 4 that the new sabbath was kept by faith in Christs new resting from works. Same pattern!
But when exactly did that change take place?
Some here believe it was at Pentecost, but Hebrews states it was at the Cross.
It can't be both.
I don't subscribe to that interpretation of that passage/chapter.
The original language used the word 'Sabbatismos', if I'm not mistaken (haven't looked at it in a bit). That refers to the God-ordained 7th Day Sabbath, not to just a day of rest or to claiming that Christ is our rest.
Are you a Preterist?
Do you believe Jesus already returned and that all of the destruction He is referring to in Matt. 24 is speaking of the Temple destruction in A.D. 70 ... and not the end of the world?
Hebrews 4:9
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
The sabbath rest Hebrews 4:9 speaks of does not refer to the seventh day of the week sabbath of the Old Covenant but to the Christian's eternal salvation.
1. New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (NIDNTT): Here the rest typified by the sabbath is seen as the rest of heart, provided in Christ (cf. Matt. 11:28) to be realized partially now and fully in the life to come (3:411, Sabbath, W. Stott).
2. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): The rest of which Hb. speaks is related, however, neither to possession of the land nor to the Sabbath of the OT and Jewish Law. It is a purely heavenly blessing towards which the pilgrim people of God moves (7:34, sabbaton, Lohse).
3. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: The blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians: Heb. 4:9 (sabbatismos, page 565).
4. Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words: Here the sabbath-keeping is the perpetual sabbath rest to be enjoyed interruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law (Rest, page 960).
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I don't know why the 1st would matter (Pent vs Cross).
Worshipping in spirit and truth has nothing to do with a temple in Jerusalem, neither does the new sabbath
It was supposed to be both J and the world, but the world day of judgement was delayed, as we know. That’s why 2P3 was written.
Luke 23:28 locks J’s destructive events into that generation, its adults.
Because if the 10 were done away with at the Cross, why do we see Christ's followers (the 1st Christians) obeying them that night in Lk. 23:54-56?
And if the 10 were done away with at Pent., why do we see Paul referred to by the Elders as a "keeper of the Law" in Acts 21:24?
He was well past his time in Judaism and was a Christian of Christians - what Law could he have been said to be keeping? The Elders would not have referred to the modern teaching of simply loving all people as a Law at that time.
You lost me.
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Are you aware of the location and time shift between Matt. 24 verses 2 & 3?
That change of location between the Temple and Mt of Olives, which would've taken about a half hour on foot, proves that everything Jesus spoke of beginning with verse 3 could not have been referring to the Temple.
