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The Rapture or the Second Coming

How about it just be explained. Unless you can actually counter the explanation, I expect you to keep your word.

Rev 19:11-16 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and Tre, and in righteousness he judges and makes war...

Keep in mind John is seeing a vision and like all his other visions, it is given with symbols that are revealing truths.

The rider is Jesus-coming not as Savior in humiliation but as Judge and King at his second coming.

The white horse signifies victory and purity. We see "white" signifying purity, holiness, or righteousness elsewhere in the Bible (Dan 7:9; Isa 1:18; Rev 3:4-5; 7:9, 13-14).

And we see the horse associated with warfare, strength, and speed (Job 29:19-25 and elsewhere). So the white horse signifies righteous intent and divine victory. Just as the rest of Rev 19 along with 18 and 21 depict.

In Zech 1:8 and 6:1-8 we see colored horses in another vision. The white horses go toward the west. These don't explicitly define "white horse=victory but they establish representatives of heavenly missions and divine action linked to symbolically colored horses.

Christ comes to complete the promises of the covenant of grace: to rescue his people, vindicate his name, and bring final judgement. It fulfills tests such as Gen 3:15;Ps 2;Isa 11

His robe dipped in blood is judgment language. Rev 19 shows Christ fulfilling the covenant of grace and inaugurating the new creation order of Rev 21. It is apocalyptic imagery showing the outworking of God's eternal plan of redemption where Christ returns as the faithful covenant king to rule in righteousness.

No need for a literal white horse to carry Jesus who is God, to victory.
That's all well and good....but the angels said Jesus would return the same way He left. In Acts 1 Jesus didn't leave in the way you described above.
On the other hand the rapture shows Jesus returning in the same way He left.

Hence.....your contradiction.
 
When you will apply proper hermeneutics? One of the rules pertains to contradictions. You seem to apply it in other verses but not the ones pertaining to the rapture and second coming.

If you really want a civil and edifying conversation...explain away your contradictions.
The only thing I have contradicted is your interpretation of the Bible, not the Bible itself. If I have, show me an example. Quote it. Don't just say it.
 
The only thing I have contradicted is your interpretation of the Bible, not the Bible itself. If I have, show me an example. Quote it. Don't just say it.
I have...Jesus didn't leave on a white horse...or.....in the symbolic nature you described.
 
What you are saying is that there will be no christians killed during the tribulation.
I never said any such thing. However, during the great tribulation of 70 AD there is no record of any Christian dying in the siege of Jerusalem. The Christians sold all their property (knowing it would soon be worthless) and distributed the proceeds among themselves, beginning with the most needy. When the Zealots took over the Christians (being deemed apostates by the Zealots) fled the city. The fled to the mountains (fulfilling Matthew 24) and hid in the caves. Rome and its mercenaries laid waste to the city over the course of seven years and every JJew the Zealots didn't kill got killed by Rome. Eventually...... God judged His instruments of Israel's judgment and destroyed them, too, just as He had done previously centuries earlier with Assyria and Babylon.

So...... while I do not say no Christians die during the tribulation there is historical precedent for that position. The more likely position, the more scripturally consistent position would be that of hyperbole and the recurring reality Christians die but God always preserves a remnant of His people (and lays waste to the ungodly as He sees fit.

But.... that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact in the days of Noah it was the ones taken away that were destroyed, and it was the godly who remained and your eschatology teaches that reference incorrectly.
You do know that's incorrect?
What I know is that in the days of Noah it was the ones taken away who were destroyed, and it was the ones who remained who went on to live life in a covenant relationship with their Savior.
Yes we are. Entering the trib will likened to the days of Noah.
No, we're not. We're discussing one point mentioned in this op and the one statement you made in error. Jesus' reference to the days of Noah is not a text that supports any separated rapture. In the days of Noah, the ones who were taken away were destroyed. The ones left behind remained in a covenant relationship with God here on earth.
Once again....please explain to me how people will be having parties...good times...marriages at the end of the trib?
No. The text never states they'll be having a good time during the tribulation, and I never said anyone would. You're making cr@p up to avoid the fact that in the days of Noah the ones who were taken away got destroyed by the flood and the ones who remained did so because God saved them here on the earth.
I don't disagree. Noah was removed from the judgement.
Then stop saying he avoided it.
Jesus paid the price for our judgment....no need to have them remain and suffer through the "judgement and wrath" of the trib.
That is incorrect and I would prove it to you but we're not going to change the subject again just because you don't know what to do with the fact that in the days of Noah the ones who were taken away got destroyed and the ones who remained went on to live life on earth in a covenant relationship with God.
Yes, Noah, like Lot were removed from the judgement. You seem to disagree.
In the days of Noah, the ones who were taken away got destroyed and the ones who remained went on to live life on earth in a covenant relationship with God.
This verse speaks about the actual second coming...not the rapture that happened 7 years earlier.
And now you're contradicting yourself.

Do Christians get removed from the planet at the rapture or the second coming? One- or two-word answer. Rapture or second coming?

The days of Noah say a lot....

37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,

Currently in the world we see a lot of "eating and drinking"...Good times!!! people getting married...
Now, there is no way I can envision this at the end of the tribulation. Times won't be good then for the people on earth.
This days of Noah are obviously pre-trib....which makes the rapper pre-trib.

The bible also presents Jesus coming in two different settings...in the clouds the way Jesus left as per the angels in Acts 1 and then a second time where Jesus is riding a white horse. Many people don't get it....Jesus returns twice.

Christians are not destined for the 7 year tribulation wrath.....we can comfort each other with those words.
The days of Noah are pre-trib in Post #8, but in Post #39 the verse(s) speaks about the second coming and not the rapture that happened 7 years earlier.



In the days of Noah the ones who were taken away got destroyed and those that remained went on to live life on earth in a covenant relationship with the God who saved them. Post 8 is wrong. We're now 30 posts past the point of correction. It is now time for you to acknowledge the facts of scripture as explained to you with other scripture:

In the days of Noah, it was the people of God who were left behind. The rest were taken away - taken away by the flood and destroyed.

And then amend your view of end times so that it fits with the fact that in the days of Noah those who were taken away got destroyed and those who remained went on to live life in a covenant relationship with God.

Genesis 9:1-9 (excerpted for the sake of space)
And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.......... As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it". Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, "Now behold, I Myself do establish My covenant with you, and with your descendants after you....."

In the days of Noah the ones taken away were destroyed and the ones who remained went on to live life in a covenant relationship with God here on the earth. Using Jesus' mention of Noah to support a rapture is bad exegesis. Dispensational Premillennialism/modern futurism misinterprets the text and teaches it wrong.​
 
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I have...Jesus didn't leave on a white horse...or.....in the symbolic nature you described.
Jesus did not leave at all. Nothing in the white horse passage ever states he left heaven. Nothing ever states he came/comes to earth. Nothing in Revelation ever explicitly states Jesus is physically living on earth until chapters 21 and 22 (both of which are after the millennium and the judgment at the fiery lake 😯.

Psalm 110:1
The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”

Jesus stays enthroned in heaven until his Father defeats all his enemies. That is what Revelation describes in lengthier detail. Everything commanded to occur both on the earth and in heaven in Revelation is commanded from heaven. Jesus does not leave heaven until chapters 21 and 22. Re-read the book of Revelation this week and verify that fact for yourself.

Then amend your end times views to fit the facts of scripture.
 
I have...Jesus didn't leave on a white horse...or.....in the symbolic nature you described.
What? I never said he did leave on a white horse. And what you see as him returning on a literal white horse is a vision that uses symbols to signify spiritual things---such as Rev tells us the visions John saw are doing. I am still waiting for you to take apart hermeneutically and with exegesis the Reformed position on Rev 19. You need to prove that Jesus is going to come riding back on a white horse. That is ludicrous and childish. You say Jesus comes back three times and that contradicts the Bible because it never mentions any but one return.
 
I never said any such thing. However, during the great tribulation of 70 AD there is no record of any Christian dying in the siege of Jerusalem. The Christians sold all their property (knowing it would soon be worthless) and distributed the proceeds among themselves, beginning with the most needy. When the Zealots took over the Christians (being deemed apostates by the Zealots) fled the city. The fled to the mountains (fulfilling Matthew 24) and hid in the caves. Rome and its mercenaries laid waste to the city over the course of seven years and every JJew the Zealots didn't kill got killed by Rome. Eventually...... God judged His instruments of Israel's judgment and destroyed them, too, just as He had done previously centuries earlier with Assyria and Babylon.

So...... while I do not say no Christians die during the tribulation there is historical precedent for that position. The more likely position, the more scripturally consistent position would be that of hyperbole and the recurring reality Christians die but God always preserves a remnant of His people (and lays waste to the ungodly as He sees fit.

But.... that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact in the days of Noah it was the ones taken away that were destroyed, and it was the godly who remained and your eschatology teaches that reference incorrectly.

What I know is that in the days of Noah it was the ones taken away who were destroyed, and it was the ones who remained who went on to live life in a covenant relationship with their Savior.

No, we're not. We're discussing one point mentioned in this op and the one statement you made in error. Jesus' reference to the days of Noah is not a text that supports any separated rapture. In the days of Noah, the ones who were taken away were destroyed. The ones left behind remained in a covenant relationship with God here on earth.

No. The text never states they'll be having a good time during the tribulation, and I never said anyone would. You're making cr@p up to avoid the fact that in the days of Noah the ones who were taken away got destroyed by the flood and the ones who remained did so because God saved them here on the earth.

Then stop saying he avoided it.

That is incorrect and I would prove it to you but we're not going to change the subject again just because you don't know what to do with the fact that in the days of Noah the ones who were taken away got destroyed and the ones who remained went on to live life on earth in a covenant relationship with God.

In the days of Noah, the ones who were taken away got destroyed and the ones who remained went on to live life on earth in a covenant relationship with God.

And now you're contradicting yourself.

Do Christians get removed from the planet at the rapture or the second coming? One- or two-word answer. Rapture or second coming?
The days of Noah are pre-trib in Post #8, but in Post #39 the verse speaks about the second coming and not the rapture that happened 7 years earlier.



In the days of Noah the ones who were taken away got destroyed and those that remained went on to live life on earth in a covenant relationship with the God who saved them. Post 8 is wrong. We're now 30 posts past the point of correction. It is now time for you to acknowledge the facts of scripture as explained to you with other scripture:



And then amend your view of end times so that it fits with the fact that in the days of Noah those who were taken away got destroyed and those who remained went on to live life in a covenant relationship with God.


Genesis 9:1-9 (excerpted for the sake of space)

And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.......... As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it". Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, "Now behold, I Myself do establish My covenant with you, and with your descendants after you....."


In the days of Noah the ones taken away were destroyed and the ones who remained went on to live life in a covenant relationship with God here on the earth. Using Jesus' mention of Noah to support a rapture is bad exegesis. Dispensational Premillennialism/modern futurism misinterprets the text and teaches it wrong.
Why is all this text crossed out?
 
I have...Jesus didn't leave on a white horse...or.....in the symbolic nature you described.

I have been busy with other things so wasn't online to get back with you but I see everyone is answering your questions and it's all good.

I do hope you're not waiting on real horses are you?

We haven't hit judgement on the earth until we start seeing horses run amok is it? 😂

I just wanted to remind:

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places." Ephesians 6:12

We have to get our minds completely out of the flesh, and see the spiritual reality around us. While it looks frightening to our fleshly eyes (beasts and such) it's a conquered and vanquished foe to our spiritual eyes.

We have a reigning King who was already victorious against our enemies (see Cross of Christ = Victory over sin and death). So also do they have a King but they refuse to bow down in worship and are judged accordingly by God. (Might not be the most perfect wording but it conveys the idea I pray)

Only a remnant will be saved according to this. Not all. Not most. Just a few really. 1/4. A remnant. The rest die in judgement.

@Josheb and @Arial are doing a good job, sometimes I think it's just a matter of who's explaining.

It's not about who is right, or who is wrong, it's about making people prepared for the realities they do actually face, and equip them to meet those challenges head on in Christ. Not to tell them they don't have to deal with anything.

If they are unprepared for the day of battle they cannot fight in the war; the war that has always been upon them.

"The horse is prepared for the day of battle, But deliverance is of the LORD." Proverbs 21:31
 
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Two working out in a field. Same thing: the one taken away was taken away in destruction

I'm very worried I'll mess everything up. It's all I have ever done really, from childhood.

It worries me. I need help. At least this time I know I need help, and where to go to get it, (after my dad died when I was younger I really was lost) but I'm still myself, who I have not found to be very reliable or trustworthy... 😂

You know, all things considered...

We can't look back, but how do we know what looking back looks like?

I bet @Rescued One might enjoy the answer too.
 
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I do not know. That was not my doing. I'd appreciate it you (or another mod) undid that. I'd undo it myself, but the post has timed out.
@John Bauer

It is post #44. The regular edit feature does not get the job done so I am clueless as to how to remove those lines. I would appreciate your help.
 
Yes we are. Entering the trib will likened to the days of Noah.
The last days will be likened to the days of Noah. Not the tribulation as you define it. Look at what Jesus says in Matt 24:36-39 (take off your presuppositional glasses the majority of Christianity has been handed in the post modern era, and just read it).

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

This goes contextually, directly back to the two question (and there were two asked) "and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"). This is all one question because his coming and the end of the age are the same thing. He comes at the end of the age. Not the end of a seven year time period, but the end of an age. Ask yourself what that age is.

So what do we have in those verses? We have the age which is identified as containing all the things in verses 4-14. (In verses 15-22 we have a particular event happening during the age, that concerns Jerusalem, the answer to the first question about when the temple will be destroyed.)

In verses 23-28 we have more events that will take place during the age Jesus refers to. In 29-31 we have a depiction of is coming after that age (those days) of tribulation (notice all the tribulation in the previous verses that dominate the age he is referring to) and this is when his elect from everywhere, dead or alive, are gathered to him.

In vs 32-35 we have what may refer directly to 70 a.d. but not to the end of the age. That delves into a whole other topic I do not wish to dig into right now. Doing so would change nothing of anything else I am presenting in particular by drawing your attention to vs 36-39, which we come to again now with all the ground work I laid in mind.

The "day and hour" are the end of the age and his return.
"No one knows the day or the hour, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."

What will it be like, this age, that pulls the wool over eyes, just as it did those of Noah's day before judgement came upon them? Just like those days. Life going on perfectly normally, with no indication or awareness that Jesus is at the gate. People will eat and drink, marry, have families, live in unrepentant sin if they have not been regenerated and placed in Christ, with no inkling of what is about to happen. The believers will be right alongside them, living, having children, going to their jobs. IOW life as usual, all through the age, until suddenly the Judge and Redeemer is here.

Now, through that lens, the old lens having been set aside for the moment at least, what would vs 40-41 in particular, but also the rest of Jesus' discourse, be saying? @Josheb has done a great job of spelling it out for you. Can you now understand what he is saying?
 
I'm very worried I'll mess everything up. It's all I have ever done really, from childhood.

It worries me. I need help. At least this time I know I need help, and where to go to get it, (after my dad died when I was younger I really was lost) but I'm still myself, who I have not found to be very reliable or trustworthy... 😂

You know, all things considered...

We can't look back, but how do we know what looking back looks like?

I bet @Rescued One might enjoy the answer too.
First of all.... we are saved by grace and not by works. You have been saved, and you are being saved, and you will be saved. It's not up to you.

Matthew 19:24-26
"Again, I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, "Then who can be saved?" And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

Psalm 68:5-6
A father of the fatherless and a judge for the widows, is God in His holy habitation. God makes a home for the lonely; He leads out the prisoners into prosperity, only the rebellious dwell in a parched land.

What is God's holy habitation?

1 Corinthians 3:11-16
For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

YOU are God's holy habitation! If you're building on Christ, you might lose everything you build but you will be saved.


Second, this op is about the rapture versus the second coming so I'm going to keep this digression brief and limited to this post. Consider what Paul said about his own salvation.

1 Corinthians 9:24-27
Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore, I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

This passage occurs in a letter written fairly early in Paul's apostleship. Here Paul frames the reward as a contingency. There is an implied question of his potential disqualification. Is this simply figurative, or does Paul genuinely doubt he will "win." What would be the nature of this winning? Are we not all standing on the victory of another? Are we not all standing in faith upon and relying on the greatest victory in the entirety of human history? Did Jesus make Genghis, Alexander, and Caesar all look like amateurs when he defeated sin and death and provide a means of eternal life for billions? If so, then Paul's analogy, its contingent nature, and any lack of assurance he possessed is couched in Christ irreversible defeat of sin and death. The wreath, the crown, the Olympians of his day wore had already begun to wilt before it was placed on the victor's head. That is not the case with eternal life.

2 Timothy 4:6-8
For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who have loved His appearing.

This passage occurs in a letter Paul wrote near the end of his apostleship, 10+ years after his letter to the Corinthians. It appears he knows his life will soon end since he is being "poured out," and poured out as an offering. There's not coming back from an offering. He believes he has fought the good fight but his epistolary readily demonstrates a life of frequent threat and often ineffective preaching (from a statistical pov) and very, very messy Church (and others) tried to clean up with sound teaching. How can he claim to have fought the good fight? His answer is simple, direct, very blunt: He kept the faith. Those words can be interpreted to mean either he kept believing, or he behaved in a manner consistent with salvation in Christ....., or both.

All any Christian has to do is believe and God is gifting the faith upon which that faith is predicated. Are there matters of degrees of faith. Most assuredly. Are there matters of degrees of salvation? Most assuredly not.

Matthew 5:3
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mark 11:22-23
And Jesus *answered saying to them, "Have faith in God. "Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it will be granted him.

Can a Christ-denier wield such faith?

Luke 12:42-48
And the Lord said, "Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time? "Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. "Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. "But if that slave says in his heart, 'My master will be a long time in coming,' and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. "And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

Floggings in heaven? Count me out! Yet... who among the purchased slaved (you have been purchased and are not your own, right?) has never committed deeds worthy of flogging while in the Master's service? These acts are the very condition from which we have been purchased and from which we will one day be transformed beyond further corruptibility.

Or so we are promised.

Do you believe it?

If so, then act like it.

Even Paul had his problems, and they included doubt and questioning God. As far as we know God never removed the thorn in Paul's side (which I believe was a flaw in Paul's own character). God saved Paul in spite of Paul. He will save me in spite of myself, and he will save you in spite of yourself, too.
I'm very worried I'll mess everything up.
Well then, start with the following,

  1. Always rejoice in the LORD.
  2. Let your gentleness be known.
  3. Pray and supplicate with thanksgiving.
  4. Think about honorable, righteous, pure, lovely things and those of good repute.
  5. Practice what Paul taught.

Do that. Do it often. Do it as many times as it takes. Read it every day (Php. 4:4-8). Read it twice a day. Read it as many times as it takes. Get it inside you and have it do its work.

What time is it right now where you are? After you've look ed at the clock, look at yourself. Literally look at yourself. Are you sitting in a chair? Is your rump placed firmly in a chair? Are your feet touching the floor? Are you sinning right now? Right now, in this moment, are you messing up everything? Are you messing up everything right now? If the answer is "No," where then is the worry?

If that thorn in your side returns, give it to God. You might die with it, but you will be saved. If you DM me I will give you a few basic pointers regarding how worry and anxiety can be overcome and their nature but that too will be brief.




Now, back to the fray! 🤪 The rapture is not an event that is separated from the final return of Christ. Any attempt to use Jesus' words about the comparison to what happens in the tribulation and what happened in the days of Noah to justify a separated raptured position is misguided because in the days of Noah the ones who were taken away got destroyed and the ones who remained went on to live in a covenant relationship with God 😎.
 
So...... while I do not say no Christians die during the tribulation there is historical precedent for that position.
Rev 13:7Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them,

The tribulation is a future event.

I also. thank. you for the 3rd event where christians were removed from Judgement.
First is Noan. The second is Lot and the third when the were the christians removed from Jerusalem.
The 4th will be the rapture.
 
What? I never said he did leave on a white horse. And what you see as him returning on a literal white horse is a vision that uses symbols to signify spiritual things---such as Rev tells us the visions John saw are doing. I am still waiting for you to take apart hermeneutically and with exegesis the Reformed position on Rev 19. You need to prove that Jesus is going to come riding back on a white horse. That is ludicrous and childish. You say Jesus comes back three times and that contradicts the Bible because it never mentions any but one return.
It's not about Christ returning on a white horse symbolically or literally.

It's about Christ leaving and the angels saying Christ would return in the same manner. The white horse is a different returning.
 
@Josheb and @Arial are doing a good job, sometimes I think it's just a matter of who's explaining.

It's not about who is right, or who is wrong, it's about making people prepared for the realities they do actually face, and equip them to meet those challenges head on in Christ. Not to tell them they don't have to deal with anything.

If they are unprepared for the day of battle they cannot fight in the war; the war that has always been upon them.
Christians should be prepared for the soon to happen rapture. The should be spreading the Gospel at an expidited rate knowing we are at the time of the end of this age.

Once again the angels in Acts 1 said Jesus would return the same way He left at the resurrection/rapture. Jesus didn't leave on a white horse whether you believe it's literal or symbolic.

The removal of the christians at the rapture and removal of the restrainer paves the wy for the anti-christ to enhance the the false peace deal.
 
The last days will be likened to the days of Noah. Not the tribulation as you define it.
I agree. As I said during the judgement of the tribulation in Rev people won't be getting married just before Christ returns.... and partying with the exception of the death of the two witnesses.....

This is one reason why the days of Noah are pre-trib.

As you said...
Just like those days. Life going on perfectly normally, with no indication or awareness that Jesus is at the gate. People will eat and drink, marry, have families, live in unrepentant sin if they have not been regenerated and placed in Christ, with no inkling of what is about to happen.
The end of the tribulation when Jesus returns as mentioned in Rev 19 and stands on the Mt. of Olives and it is split per Zech 2 doesn't fit your. description.
 
It's not about Christ returning on a white horse symbolically or literally.

It's about Christ leaving and the angels saying Christ would return in the same manner. The white horse is a different returning.

So what returning do you think the white horse is?

how many returns is He making in your view?

If Christ was going to return IN THE SAME MANNER that He left, why did the disciples stop looking up?

They were asked why they were looking up, then they were told He would return in like manner as He left, then they stopped looking up.

Why?
He clearly left in the up direction - so why did that make them immediately stop anticipating - and start working,?

I agree we need to be spreading the Gospel at speed, but my reasons might be different than yours. What is happening in the world should never affect it.

What does happen in the world affects how we prepare the people. That's all.
 
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