The Parable of the Ten Virgins

[CrowCross]

God is not a man .

John and Paul told us God became a man. Fully God and fully man.

 

[Mr GLee]

John and Paul told us God became a man. Fully God and fully man.

I would ask where is that witness found ?

 

[ChristB4us]

You can present all of these verses....but you haven't presented a single verse speaking of a "partial rapture".

What you have done is tried to link several verses to the concept of a partial rapture.

You should be asking Jesus for help to see the truth in His words.

Luke 12:40-49 KJV

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

Why did Jesus say that in verse 40?

What does Peter's question in verse 41 by asking Him if what He had just said applies only to His disciples or to all mean? Was Peter thinking this was only for His disciples, the believers or something that is to be applied to all other believers as well??

42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

That would answer Peter's question that this warning was to be applied to all believers as addressing them to be faithful & wise stewards.

Look at the following consequence for those believers for not being ready.

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
So the warning is to believers since the unbelievers will be left behind anyway and so the warning to saved believers that they can be cut off for not being ready, to have "their portion" with unbelievers as left behind, should be why this warning is being given to saved believers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So saved believers found in unrepentant iniquity can be left behind and they shall receive stripes for the knowledge they had or did not have for not being ready.

When does this stripes happen? After the rapture event and after the first angel with the everlasting gospel shared all over the world, for when the end shall come, when He sends fire on the earth that will burn up one third of the earth with Babylon USA with it.

Luke 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

So unless you have a different take on the scriptures in how it is to be "rightly divided", go ahead, but I do not see how you can..

 

[CrowCross]

I would ask where is that witness found ?

If you have to ask that question...it shows you don't know or understand the topic.

So, never mind.

 

[CrowCross]

You should be asking Jesus for help to see the truth in His words.

Luke 12:40-49 KJV

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

Why did Jesus say that in verse 40?

What does Peter's question in verse 41 by asking Him if what He had just said applies only to His disciples or to all mean? Was Peter thinking this was only for His disciples, the believers or something that is to be applied to all other believers as well??

42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

That would answer Peter's question that this warning was to be applied to all believers as addressing them to be faithful & wise stewards.

Look at the following consequence for those believers for not being ready.

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
So the warning is to believers since the unbelievers will be left behind anyway and so the warning to saved believers that they can be cut off for not being ready, to have "their portion" with unbelievers as left behind, should be why this warning is being given to saved believers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So saved believers found in unrepentant iniquity can be left behind and they shall receive stripes for the knowledge they had or did not have for not being ready.

When does this stripes happen? After the rapture event and after the first angel with the everlasting gospel shared all over the world, for when the end shall come, when He sends fire on the earth that will burn up one third of the earth with Babylon USA with it.

Luke 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

So unless you have a different take on the scriptures in how it is to be "rightly divided", go ahead, but I do not see how you can..

You still haven't tied it with a partial rapture.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

...Beaten with many stripes....refers in this instance to the individual who has heard the message of salvation and rejected it.

Then it follows with the guy who has never heard the gospel...will receive less punishment.

 

[ChristB4us]

You still haven't tied it with a partial rapture.

How can it not, when the consequence for believers not found abiding in Him in being ready, are cut off & left behind with the unbelievers?

...Beaten with many stripes....refers in this instance to the individual who has heard the message of salvation and rejected it.

Then it follows with the guy who has never heard the gospel...will receive less punishment.

That does not explain how those who get cut off, to have their portion with unbelievers.

How can unbelievers receive less punishment, let alone stripes, than those who reject the gospel when hell and the lake of fire awaits them both? Indeed, when Jesus sends fire on the third of the earth, physical death will unbelievers & believers receive and so equal punishment there.

As for that day when saved believers that are not found abiding in Him & left behind, for any iniquity that are still on that foundation, they will be judged with many stripes by the measures of knowledge they had for not repenting from it ( with His help ) as those who did not have that knowledge to repent from it, shall receive lesser stripes, but they will still get stripes.

So Jesus is warning His disciples and all saved believers to be ready or else.

 

[Mr GLee]

If you have to ask that question...it shows you don't know or understand the topic.

So, never mind.

I understand the topic.

God is still not a man as us .

Again where did you get the witness that says he was?

 

[CrowCross]

I understand the topic.

God is still not a man as us .

Again where did you get the witness that says he was?

Considering you really don't want to hear the truth I'm not going to respond too much more.

God the Father is a Spirit.
God the Holy Spirit is obviously a Spirit.
God the Son, was a Spirit when He was the Word...and became flesh. When the bible says became flesh and dwelt among us it means Jesus the second of the Godhead became a man.

I'm truly sorry if you disagree.

 

[Mr GLee]

Considering you really don't want to hear the truth I'm not going to respond too much more.

God the Father is a Spirit.
God the Holy Spirit is obviously a Spirit.
God the Son, was a Spirit when He was the Word...and became flesh. When the bible says became flesh and dwelt among us it means Jesus the second of the Godhead became a man.

I'm truly sorry if you disagree.

I want to hear the truth .A person cannot make something up and say the Lord declared it as prophecy .

Where are these witnesses you say I should know?

Is God invisible as the Creator or visible as a s dying creation.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, (Jesus the Son of man) and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

 

[CrowCross]

I want to hear the truth .A person cannot make something up and say the Lord declared it as prophecy .

Where are these witnesses you say I should know?

Is God invisible as the Creator or visible as a s dying creation.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, (Jesus the Son of man) and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Jesus didn't experience corruption. (Acts 13)

If Jesus was the least bit corrupt He couldn't be the savior.

 

[Mr GLee]

Jesus didn't experience corruption. (Acts 13)

If Jesus was the least bit corrupt He couldn't be the savior.

Yes during that three days and nights promised demonstration of the father and the Son of man Jesus. The father that empowered the Son of man do do His will . The powerful father kept his earthen body of corruption (dying) to the point of not rising . A living sacrifice the father pouring out his spirit life on dying flesh, God does no accept dead sacrifice

Psalm 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (dead never to rise)

Jesus suffered the living pangs of hell (dying as good as dead) strengthened by the father as the witness of two . . the one witness that God has spoken.

A new born again spirit requires a new body can cloth incorruptible with the same . the new wine will burst the corrupted wine skin. Marvel not a man must be born again from above.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

[CrowCross]

A new born again spirit requires a new body can cloth incorruptible with the same

This happens at the resurrection or rapture.

 

[Soyeong]

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Biblical reference: Matthew 25

In Matthew 25:1-12, it is speaking about what the Kingdom of Heaven is like and what is spoke in verses 11-12 is a clear parallel to Matthew 7:21-23, where Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them. The Father has straightforwardly made His will known through what He has commanded in the Mosaic Law (Psalms 40:8), so the lack of oil clearly represent a lack of good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law.

In Psalms 119:105-106, David said that God's word is a lamp unto his feet and a light unto his path and that he has sworn and oath and confirmed that that he would keep God's righteous laws. In Proverbs 6:23, the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life. So the elements of the lamp and the oil are the Mosaic Law and the keeping of it. The Law of God is nothing but head knowledge unless we keep it in the same way that a lamp is nothing without oil. In Jewish tradition, oil symbolizes good deeds:

"Now oil symbolizes good deeds, as it is written: “A good name is better than good oil” (Kohelet 7:1). We also read in Tanna D’vei Eliyahu Rabba: “Oil always represents good deeds. In fact, ‘Your oils are better than fragrance’ means: ‘Your deeds are better than fragrance.’ ” "

"Mixed with oil – that is Torah, which is required to be mixed with good deeds; like that which we learned (Avot 2:2)" (Bamidbar Rabbah 13).

Likewise:
“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven (Matthew 5:15-16).

 

[ChristB4us]

In Matthew 25:1-12, it is speaking about what the Kingdom of Heaven is like and what is spoke in verses 11-12 is a clear parallel to Matthew 7:21-23, where Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them. The Father has straightforwardly made His will known through what He has commanded in the Mosaic Law (Psalms 40:8), so the lack of oil clearly represent a lack of good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law.

In the context of the message given from Matthew 7:13-27, this is the law which believers have gone astray in becoming workers of iniquity.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Apply that to the beginning of the message as kept in the KJV that states the work of iniquity for how saved believers have gone astray by.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The Nicene creed of 381 A.D. broadened the way in the worship place by introducing the unbiblical worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son when the honoring the Holy Spirit is not how we are to honor the father by & approaching the Father by the Holy Spirit "instead of the Son" is what the spirits of the antichrist does.

As this was ecumenical in uniting all the different churches under that modified Nicene creed, is why this is the fruit of the false prophet.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

From the Welsh Revival of 1904-1905 to the Azusa street Revival 1906-1909, we see today what was experienced back then; seeking the baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues, being drunk in the spirit, slain in the spirit, holy laughter, & signs and lying wonders. The irony is that as those who use tongues for private use as gained by seeking that baptism with the Holy Ghost, or it just happened to them later in life while hanging around those that do use tongues for private use, they will condemn holy laughter as not of the Lord. Even the late David Wilkerson condemned holy laughter movement and yet believes he can feel the presence of the Holy Spirit outside of him in the worship place ( and he wonders why those that seek signs and wonders are coming to his service because he talks like them in regards to feeling the Holy Spirit visiting the worship place ).

The point here is that David Wilkerson and the holy laughter wayward believers are both of the same evil tree when their focus is on looking for the visitation of the Holy Spirit to the worship place. Just because holy laughter was not happening at David Wilkerson's place, does not mean that it was not the same spirit of the antichrist that was manifesting there to be felt by their visitations; that same evil fruit

Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

The problem here is that their focus is on the Holy Spirit and His "supposed" visitation in approaching God the father in worship when the real indwelling Holy Spirit in them will keep pointing believers to keep going to the Son to avoid the spirits of the antichrist. They cannot see the evil of their breaking this Law of God in how we are to come to God the Father by because of the miracles being done in this apostasy.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Yes, these apostate movements of the spirit can claim visions for which they prophesy by, healings and casting out of devils, and doing other sensational signs & wonders ( works ) in His name but it does not glorify Jesus Christ but the movement of those spirits of the antichrist.

How can one discern this evil tree as an evil tree when not all the evil fruits are obvious by that evil tree? If you see any saved believer losing self control or falling down backwards... then that is what they get for not heeding His words that Jesus is the only way to God the Father by.

Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

So by not heeding His words to enter ye through the strait gate; hence keep your eyes on the Son in coming to God the Father in worship, prayer, and fellowship, thereby going the broad way with focusing on the Trinity or the Holy Spirit, they become workers of iniquity; hence the very specific lawlessness that will cause believers to lose self control & fall by in these apostate movement of the spirits of the antichrist.

This is why the parable of the ten virgin applies here as He did not know them because they were being workers of iniquity for being out to the market seeking to be filled with extra oil; hence their focus was on a continual filling or receiving of the Holy Spirit; but it was really the spirits of the antichrist that was visiting and that they were receiving instead when the Holy Spirit has been in them & still is, since salvation.

Believers need to lean on Jesus Christ for help to depart from this iniquity; this specific lawlessness, or else risk being left behind.

 

[Soyeong]

In the context of the message given from Matthew 7:13-27, this is the law which believers have gone astray in becoming workers of iniquity.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Apply that to the beginning of the message as kept in the KJV that states the work of iniquity for how saved believers have gone astray by.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The Nicene creed of 381 A.D. broadened the way in the worship place by introducing the unbiblical worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son when the honoring the Holy Spirit is not how we are to honor the father by & approaching the Father by the Holy Spirit "instead of the Son" is what the spirits of the antichrist does.

As this was ecumenical in uniting all the different churches under that modified Nicene creed, is why this is the fruit of the false prophet.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

From the Welsh Revival of 1904-1905 to the Azusa street Revival 1906-1909, we see today what was experienced back then; seeking the baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues, being drunk in the spirit, slain in the spirit, holy laughter, & signs and lying wonders. The irony is that as those who use tongues for private use as gained by seeking that baptism with the Holy Ghost, or it just happened to them later in life while hanging around those that do use tongues for private use, they will condemn holy laughter as not of the Lord. Even the late David Wilkerson condemned holy laughter movement and yet believes he can feel the presence of the Holy Spirit outside of him in the worship place ( and he wonders why those that seek signs and wonders are coming to his service because he talks like them in regards to feeling the Holy Spirit visiting the worship place ).

The point here is that David Wilkerson and the holy laughter wayward believers are both of the same evil tree when their focus is on looking for the visitation of the Holy Spirit to the worship place. Just because holy laughter was not happening at David Wilkerson's place, does not mean that it was not the same spirit of the antichrist that was manifesting there to be felt by their visitations; that same evil fruit

Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

The problem here is that their focus is on the Holy Spirit and His "supposed" visitation in approaching God the father in worship when the real indwelling Holy Spirit in them will keep pointing believers to keep going to the Son to avoid the spirits of the antichrist. They cannot see the evil of their breaking this Law of God in how we are to come to God the Father by because of the miracles being done in this apostasy.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Yes, these apostate movements of the spirit can claim visions for which they prophesy by, healings and casting out of devils, and doing other sensational signs & wonders ( works ) in His name but it does not glorify Jesus Christ but the movement of those spirits of the antichrist.

How can one discern this evil tree as an evil tree when not all the evil fruits are obvious by that evil tree? If you see any saved believer losing self control or falling down backwards... then that is what they get for not heeding His words that Jesus is the only way to God the Father by.

Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

So by not heeding His words to enter ye through the strait gate; hence keep your eyes on the Son in coming to God the Father in worship, prayer, and fellowship, thereby going the broad way with focusing on the Trinity or the Holy Spirit, they become workers of iniquity; hence the very specific lawlessness that will cause believers to lose self control & fall by in these apostate movement of the spirits of the antichrist.

This is why the parable of the ten virgin applies here as He did not know them because they were being workers of iniquity for being out to the market seeking to be filled with extra oil; hence their focus was on a continual filling or receiving of the Holy Spirit; but it was really the spirits of the antichrist that was visiting and that they were receiving instead when the Holy Spirit has been in them & still is, since salvation.

Believers need to lean on Jesus Christ for help to depart from this iniquity; this specific lawlessness, or else risk being left behind.

Iniquity is deliberate sin and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what iniquity is. The Mosaic Law is God's way (Psalm 119:1-3), the truth (Psalms 119:142), and the life (Deuteronomy 32:46-47), and the way to see and know the Father (Exodus 33:13), and Jesus is God's word made flesh, so he is the embodiment of the way, the truth, and the life, and the way to see and know the Father (John 14:6-7). The way to know God is by delighting in practicing aspects of his character, such as steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 9:24), however, someone can still be doing good things in obedience to it while neglecting to practice God's character traits, which is missing the whole goal of the Mosaic Law. For example, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that tithing was something that they ought to do be doing while not neglecting weightier matters of the Mosaic Law of justice, mercy, and faithfulness, which is the way to know God, and it was because those in Matthew 7:21-23 were neglecting to practice weightier matters of the law that Jesus said that he would them them to depart from him because he never knew them.

 

[Mr GLee]

The Nicene creed of 381 A.D. broadened the way in the worship place by introducing the unbiblical worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son when the honoring the Holy Spirit is not how we are to honor the father by & approaching the Father by the Holy Spirit "instead of the Son" is what the spirits of the antichrist does.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father it worked in the Son of man Jesus just as us today . Whosoever does the will of the father is Jesus's brother and sister in the Lord .

 

[CrowCross]

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father it worked in the Son of man Jesus just as us today . Whosoever does the will of the father is Jesus's brother and sister in the Lord .

How much will? A tad bit or a whole bunch?

 

[Soyeong]

How much will? A tad bit or a whole bunch?

It's not about the amount, but about having faith in God.

 

[CrowCross]

It's not about the amount, but about having faith in God.

tell that to Mr GLee

 

[Mr GLee]

How much will? A tad bit or a whole bunch?

The whole will. . . .the power from the father that works in all who does His will. The one will with power to raise the dead.

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.