The Parable of the Ten Virgins

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The word dwelt in dying flesh of the Son of man Jesus .Not as I with no power but as your powerful will that can raise the dead

The word is not dying flesh. It is the living word of God

God is not a man he is the creator of men.

Jesus was the creator of men....then not only according to John which I already presented but also according to Paul Jesus who is God and equal to God.... 8And being found in appearance as a man.

But you still deny that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh 1 John 4:2 But you confess Jesusa is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist......you seem to have the Spirit of the Anti-Christ directing you.

 

[ChristB4us]

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It's commonly supposed that the five unwise girls were stupid for not bringing along
enough oil for their light sources. That may be true, but I rather suspect that their
stupidity was scarcely related to the oil and mostly related to abandoning their
posts.

@Inertia Hence abandoning their faith that Jesus Christ is in them for why there is no need to go to the market for that extra oil.

Had they stuck to their guns (so to speak) they could've joined the procession
along with everyone else. They may have endured a measure of chagrin for letting
their lamps go out, but at least they wouldn't miss the party.

In other words; they let something relatively minor distract their attention from
something far more important; sort of like Nero concerning himself with trifles while
Rome is on fire all 'round the city.

● Matt 25:10-12 . . While they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom
arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And
the door was shut. Later the others also came. Sir! Sir! --they said-- Open the door
for us! But he replied: I tell you the truth, I don't know you.

The thing is: while the entrance was open, the general public was welcome to come
on in and join the celebration, but once the door was shut and festivities
commenced, late arrivals were permitted inside only if they were the bridegroom's
friends; which emphasizes that the invitation, though generous, offered a narrow
window of opportunity which if missed, was lost forever.
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Although the five foolish are of the kingdom of heaven, and thus saved, they missed out on the Marriage Supper in Heaven for why they were left behind on earth to die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven to await for their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, the vessels of wood & earth, to serve the King of kings on earth from all over the world.

 

[Mr GLee]

Jesus was the creator of men....then not only according to John which I already presented but also according to Paul Jesus who is God and equal to God.... 8And being found in appearance as a man.

But you still deny that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh 1 John 4:2 But you confess Jesusa is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist......you seem to have the Spirit of the Anti-Christ directing you.

Christ the anointing Holy Spirit created Jesus a Son of man . God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infalible man to stand between God not seen and dying mankind seen .The son of man as one of the many lords but not like the father the Lord of all lord King of all kings Father of all fathers

When one and bowed down to worship the Son of man he called jesus the one good teaching master. . . jesu the Son of man would never blaspheme name of his father .the ones good teaching master as Lord of lords

Mark 10:16-18King James Version And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Does that sound like equal or one that does the will of another empowered by the same will not seen ?

We, I believe do not know Christ after the corrupted rudiments of this dying world.One of the wiles of the devil needing form to serve as false apostles, false prophets earthly inspired of dying mankind

 

[ChristB4us]

Now that is different. I have never read an explanation of Jesus' parable like this before now. Your inverse perspective is certainly not a common one. In the parable, it's clear that the lamps and oil are central components. The New English translation even specifies using olive oil and, in every version, all of the virgins were asleep. The use of the term "virgins" was purposeful meaning separated Bridesmaids. These were not any ordinary "Sally", "Jane" or "Mary" that one typically bumps into on a typical day.

I think we agree that the foolish virgins didn't adequately prepare and they wanted advice from the wise virgins.

"The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil because our lamps are going out.'" (Matthew 25:8)

Just to clarify, are you saying that the wise tricked the virgins to go on a proverbial wild goose chase?

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When the five that were foolish are of the ten that ARE the kingdom of Heaven and thus saved, BUT they believed the lie that they need another filling or a continual filling of oil for why they departed from faith that they are always Spirit-filled as a testimony that they are saved and were out to the market thus signifying by that work of iniquity, He denied them because by that work of iniquity, they were denying Him.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

 

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@Inertia Hence abandoning their faith that Jesus Christ is in them for why there is no need to go to the market for that extra oil.

Although the five foolish are of the kingdom of heaven, and thus saved, they missed out on the Marriage Supper in Heaven

Just curious...how do you know the foolish virgins were saved? I ask because later Jesus said:
11Later the other virgins arrived and said, ‘Lord, lord, open the door for us!’
12But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I do not know you.’

If they were saved wouldn't Jesus know them?

 

[ChristB4us]

I think the Jewish wedding events can run parallel to future biblical events.

The following is somewhat abbreviated...

The Jewish wedding started with an engagement...where the groom paid a dowery to the "brides" father. Kinda like Jesus paid a price for His bride to God the Father.

The groom would then leave, returning to his home and build a living space for him and his new bride.
The bride not knowing when the groom would return would look for and wait patiently...being ready... for the return of the groom to take her to their new home.

Jesus is doing something similar...
1 John 14:1 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 I n my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.

One highlight here may be..."I will come again and will take you to myself"

I agree.

Today some are looking for Christ return...while others, not. I would venture to say those looking are saved while those not looking are not saved...and like the virgins who have no oil.

This is why I do not agree on this point.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Luke 14:15-24 KJV Then there is that parable of the King's Supper where many were making excuses to not attend for the everyday cares of life and so of those invited, their seats are empty because they loved their lives on earth than to leave it.

I believe God is coming to judge His House first at the pre great tribulation rapture event for why He is warning believers to be found abiding in Him as His disciples per John 15:1-8 or else be left behind in Luke 12:40-49 for when that fire is sent on the third of the earth Revelation 8:7

So if anybody has any unrepentant work of iniquity on that foundation that defiles the temple of God, 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 KJV , they had best ask Jesus Christ now to help them depart from it. Indeed, every believer should ask the Lord if they are in any iniquity that they are blind to, because they followed church's traditions thus following the crowd & the church rather than prove it Biblical by the Word of God.

Luke 21:33-36 KJV And even if they are following Him from all errors in the church and in life, they still need to pray to escape what is coming on the earth that they will not be overcharged by the cares of this life that they will not feel free to leave their loved ones behind. Luke 14:25-35 KJV

So, where does Jesus come and take us to the many rooms (mansions) prepared for His bride, the Church?
The answer....the Rapture.

Then what comes shortly after that? The wedding supper of the Lamb.

Thanks to the Lord, I agree in my hope in Him.

 

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Christ the anointing Holy Spirit created Jesus a Son of man . God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infalible man to stand between God not seen and dying mankind seen .The son of man as one of the many lords but not like the father the Lord of all lord King of all kings Father of all fathers

The Word who is God...became flesh. Post 21 presented some of the biblical verses that support that.

When one and bowed down to worship the Son of man he called jesus the one good teaching master. . . jesu the Son of man would never blaspheme name of his father .the ones good teaching master as Lord of lords

Mark 10:16-18King James Version And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Does that sound like equal or one that does the will of another empowered by the same will not seen ?

Jesus was replying to the man in the state of kenosis and answering as a teacher.

We, I believe do not know Christ after the corrupted rudiments of this dying world.One of the wiles of the devil needing form to serve as false apostles, false prophets earthly inspired of dying mankind

Huh???

 

[ChristB4us]

Just curious...how do you know the foolish virgins were saved? I ask because later Jesus said:
11Later the other virgins arrived and said, ‘Lord, lord, open the door for us!’
12But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I do not know you.’

If they were saved wouldn't Jesus know them?

2 Timothy 2 nd Chapter

In verse 12, we see in the latter part of that verse that those who deny him, He will deny us, BUT in verse 13, Paul shares that even if we believe not, He is faithful for He cannot deny Himself thus He still abides in former believers.

In verses 18, Paul gives an example of a former believer by a falsehood that overthrew their faith in Him, but Paul writes "Nevtertheless" in verse 19 as that foundation laid is sure and the Lord knows those with His seal for why even former believers and not just believers living in sin or religious works that deny Him, to look to Him for help for the truth to expose the works of darkness in order to depart from iniquity.

Here is confirmation of how any iniquity on that foundation that denies Him is why He is denying them.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

And yet because He still abides in former believers or believers that have gone astray in works of iniquity, reaping corruption, He will finish His work even in those left behind for denying Him by word or deed as He has denied them for doing that, but He will burn off of that foundation all that offends, wood, stubble, and hay, as that physical body may die when left behind, but the spirit is saved & with Him in Heaven to await their resurrection after the great tribulation.

1 Corinthians 3:10-17 & 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 KJV

 

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I agree.

This is why I do not agree on this point.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Many people are following a false Jesus or a false salvation plan....the JW, Mormons and Unitarians and catholics are examples.

Luke 14:15-24 KJV Then there is that parable of the King's Supper where many were making excuses to not attend for the everyday cares of life and so of those invited, their seats are empty because they loved their lives on earth than to leave it.

I believe God is coming to judge His House first at the pre great tribulation rapture event for why He is warning believers to be found abiding in Him as His disciples per John 15:1-8 or else be left behind in Luke 12:40-49 for when that fire is sent on the third of the earth Revelation 8:7

So if anybody has any unrepentant work of iniquity on that foundation that defiles the temple of God, 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 KJV , they had best ask Jesus Christ now to help them depart from it. Indeed, every believer should ask the Lord if they are in any iniquity that they are blind to, because they followed church's traditions thus following the crowd & the church rather than prove it Biblical by the Word of God.

Luke 21:33-36 KJV And even if they are following Him from all errors in the church and in life, they still need to pray to escape what is coming on the earth that they will not be overcharged by the cares of this life that they will not feel free to leave their loved ones behind. Luke 14:25-35 KJV

Thanks to the Lord, I agree in my hope in Him.

I haven't been sold into the ...."only some christians will be raptured" theory.

 

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2 Timothy 2 nd Chapter

In verse 12, we see in the latter part of that verse that those who deny him, He will deny us, BUT in verse 13, Paul shares that even if we believe not, He is faithful for He cannot deny Himself thus He still abides in former believers.

In verses 18, Paul gives an example of a former believer by a falsehood that overthrew their faith in Him, but Paul writes "Nevtertheless" in verse 19 as that foundation laid is sure and the Lord knows those with His seal for why even former believers and not just believers living in sin or religious works that deny Him, to look to Him for help for the truth to expose the works of darkness in order to depart from iniquity.

Here is confirmation of how any iniquity on that foundation that denies Him is why He is denying them.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

And yet because He still abides in former believers or believers that have gone astray in works of iniquity, reaping corruption, He will finish His work even in those left behind for denying Him by word or deed as He has denied them for doing that, but He will burn off of that foundation all that offends, wood, stubble, and hay, as that physical body may die when left behind, but the spirit is saved & with Him in Heaven to await their resurrection after the great tribulation.

1 Corinthians 3:10-17 & 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 KJV

I see 1 Cor 3 as the Judgement seat of Christ...the verse tells us that those with little work will receive little or no rewards...yet as if escaping through fire will be saved.

 

[ChristB4us]

Many people are following a false Jesus or a false salvation plan....the JW, Mormons and Unitarians and catholics are examples.

I haven't been sold into the ...."only some christians will be raptured" theory.

Scripture links were provided. Here is another truth.

As God commands the Corinthian church to excommunicate an unrepentant brother, don't you believe God will do the same at the pre great tribulation rapture event? Do you see how the metaphors used can be applied literally when Jesus does it at the rapture by casting those off to be killed by Satan?

2 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

And if you apply the following verses in that same chapter about the necessity to be of sincerity and in truth for the feast in church fellowship, would that not also be the requirement for the Marriage Supper above?

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Is this not the warning Jesus led the apostle John to warn this church to repent or else to avoid?

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

So how do you explain these verses away that testify to an unrepentant church being judged by Him at the rapture event for why they are left behind?

 

[ChristB4us]

I see 1 Cor 3 as the Judgement seat of Christ...the verse tells us that those with little work will receive little or no rewards...yet as if escaping through fire will be saved.

But verse 16-17 speaks of defiling the temple of God which is our physical bodies for why it will be destroyed; hence in relation to that fire that is coming on the third of the earth per Revelation 8:7.

Here is a warning to saved believers to be ready or else.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

See how those not ready as found not abiding in Him are left behind? Now note the stripes they will receive per the knowledge they had for not being ready and compare that to the scourging from the father on believers that did not resist sin; thereby not running that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help them lay aside every weight & sin daily Hebrews 12:1-2 in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son. 1 John 3:3-9

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
So the stripes given to those left behind is to rid them of the offenses off of that foundation so they can be partakers of His holiness.
That is why there are vessels unto dishonor in His House because they did not depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom or death had come.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So, yes, those that defile the temple of God, that goes through that fire are saved, but they shall still incur a physical death after being left behind for not departing from iniquity with His help before the Bridegroom had come.

 

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Scripture links were provided. Here is another truth.

As God commands the Corinthian church to excommunicate an unrepentant brother, don't you believe God will do the same at the pre great tribulation rapture event? Do you see how the metaphors used can be applied literally when Jesus does it at the rapture by casting those off to be killed by Satan?

2 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

And if you apply the following verses in that same chapter about the necessity to be of sincerity and in truth for the feast in church fellowship, would that not also be the requirement for the Marriage Supper above?

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Is this not the warning Jesus led the apostle John to warn this church to repent or else to avoid?

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

So how do you explain these verses away that testify to an unrepentant church being judged by Him at the rapture event for why they are left behind?

Sorry, don't see it.

I can see being told to stay away from those so-called believers....who really are not believers.

Still I don't see scripture speaking of a partial rapture. The bible tells us that God does not pour out His wrath on Christians. Romans 8:1 and 1 Thes 5:9.

 

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But verse 16-17 speaks of defiling the temple of God which is our physical bodies for why it will be destroyed; hence in relation to that fire that is coming on the third of the earth per Revelation 8:7.

Here is a warning to saved believers to be ready or else.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

See how those not ready as found not abiding in Him are left behind? Now note the stripes they will receive per the knowledge they had for not being ready and compare that to the scourging from the father on believers that did not resist sin; thereby not running that race by faith in Jesus Christ to help them lay aside every weight & sin daily Hebrews 12:1-2 in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son. 1 John 3:3-9

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
So the stripes given to those left behind is to rid them of the offenses off of that foundation so they can be partakers of His holiness.
That is why there are vessels unto dishonor in His House because they did not depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom or death had come.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So, yes, those that defile the temple of God, that goes through that fire are saved, but they shall still incur a physical death after being left behind for not departing from iniquity with His help before the Bridegroom had come.

Those verses say a lot...some refer to the one who has heard of Jesus yet still rejects Jesus.

You seem to be trying to associate these verses with the rapture....and no where does the bible say there is a partial rapture.

Other verses above tell us when Jesus comes those who are not doing...will not become a ruler over ll that He has.

 

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Sorry, don't see it.

I can see being told to stay away from those so-called believers....who really are not believers.

Still I don't see scripture speaking of a partial rapture. The bible tells us that God does not pour out His wrath on Christians. Romans 8:1 and 1 Thes 5:9.

Take Romans 8:1 with the following verse in that same chapter as the consequence for believers that live after the flesh.

Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit....
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

So there is condemnation to those that are saved but walk after the flesh. That is why Paul is warning the Galatian Christians.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

This is what happens when a saved believer sow to the flesh in reaping corruption as Peter warns against carnal Christians living after the flesh..

2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Now for 1 Thessalonians 5:9 in context;

1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

So apply what Paul said in verse 9 to those that are not walking in darkness nor living after the flesh as per Romans 8:1.

 

[ChristB4us]

Those verses say a lot...some refer to the one who has heard of Jesus yet still rejects Jesus.

You seem to be trying to associate these verses with the rapture....and no where does the bible say there is a partial rapture.

Other verses above tell us when Jesus comes those who are not doing...will not become a ruler over ll that He has.

Then you have to explain why Jesus even bother to warn saved believers, even His disciples to be ready or else.

Note the consequence if a saved believer stops abiding in Him & His words?

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Now compare how those not ready as found not abiding in him are cut off to have their portions with unbelievers; hence believers getting left behind.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

So you cannot say that only unbelievers are left behind when these are His servants, the believers, for why they were not ready & thus left behind as they get stripes, as they are still His servants for the measure of knowledge they had for not being ready and lesser stripes for the lack of knowledge for not being ready, but they are getting stripes because they are still His servants and thus still saved, but left behind.

 

[Mr GLee]

The Word who is God...became flesh. Post 21 presented some of the biblical verses that support that.

Again the invisible anointing Holy Spirit is the Faithfull Creator of the Son of man. The Son of man did not create God making him invisible . Eternal God is a invisible Holy Spirit worked in the Son of man Jesus . Not as I will father but you the one with power to raise.

Saying the creature created the Creator begs the wrath of God . God is not a man as us

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[CrowCross]

Then you have to explain why Jesus even bother to warn saved believers, even His disciples to be ready or else.

Note the consequence if a saved believer stops abiding in Him & His words?

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Now compare how those not ready as found not abiding in him are cut off to have their portions with unbelievers; hence believers getting left behind.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

So you cannot say that only unbelievers are left behind when these are His servants, the believers, for why they were not ready & thus left behind as they get stripes, as they are still His servants for the measure of knowledge they had for not being ready and lesser stripes for the lack of knowledge for not being ready, but they are getting stripes because they are still His servants and thus still saved, but left behind.

You can present all of these verses....but you haven't presented a single verse speaking of a "partial rapture".

What you have done is tried to link several verses to the concept of a partial rapture.

 

[CrowCross]

Again the invisible anointing Holy Spirit is the Faithfull Creator of the Son of man. The Son of man did not create God making him invisible . Eternal God is a invisible Holy Spirit worked in the Son of man Jesus . Not as I will father but you the one with power to raise.

Saying the creature created the Creator begs the wrath of God . God is not a man as us

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

God has always existed as a trinity....One God same in nature and essence.

The closest you can get to the HS creating Jesus is in Mary's womb when the Word who is God from the beginning became flesh. That is Jesus' bones, blood and flesh didn't exist until Mary was impregnated and came to term.....But, the pre-incarnate Jesus always existed and never did He not.

 

[Mr GLee]

God has always existed as a trinity....One God same in nature and essence.

The closest you can get to the HS creating Jesus is in Mary's womb when the Word who is God from the beginning became flesh. That is Jesus' bones, blood and flesh didn't exist until Mary was impregnated and came to term.....But, the pre-incarnate Jesus always existed and never did He not.

Yes one God having nothing to do with three. Two is the witness God spoke The father not seen working with the Son of man, Jesus seen.

God is not a man .