The MOTHER of All Sin....

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So, the identity of "He made us....He loves us....He saves us" can only mean the "us" as identified through the Hebrew writings as the Children of Israel.

No. For God so loved the world.

Yes, Israel was the linage from which our savior would come who God has given to the entire world so that if you believe in Jesus you can have eternal life.

 

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There is now a better covenant.

Yes, it is called the "New Covenant" prophesied by Jeremiah in 31:31-34. And if you'll notice this New Covenant is with the House of Israel and House of Judah, meaning the twelve tribes of Jacob/Israel.

It's not that the New Testament contradicts but rather fulfills.

Yes, Christ fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant. The animal sacrifices prefigured His Personal sacrifice and being the Mosaic Covenant is with the children of Israel and He fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant made with the children of Israel on Passover evening, a Passover that was begun with the children of Israel, that Mosaic Covenant is wrapped up in Him. The New Covenant (Jer. 31:31-34) is the putting His Law in their (Israel's) inward part so that "Christ in you" (Israel) can now lead and guide Israel from within what the Law at one time was purposed to do from without (on stone) and now in fleshly tables of the 'heart.'

Not even Christ can break Scripture. And each of the three covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, and New) are covenants between God and the seed of Abraham, a people identified as the children of Israel. Remember that for decades Israel was enjoying the benefits of the New Covenant era until their destruction and while this people decreased, presumed Gentiles increased and for the last 1900 years have been enjoying salvation benefits. But there will come a day and is upon us that Israel will increase and presumed Gentiles will decrease, and what God had done with Israel, which was blinded them to their Messiah, He will blind presumed Gentiles as Israel increases and God turns His attention to Israel in preparation of His return BACK to Israel.

The New Covenant is "Christ ("Anointing") in you (Israel.)
This IS the Word of God.

 

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No. For God so loved the world.

Yes, Israel was the linage from which our savior would come who God has given to the entire world so that if you believe in Jesus you can have eternal life.

It's a matter of interpretation for Scripture cannot be broken and Scripture declares the Abrahamic Covenant is with Abraham and his seed and there are no covenants with Gentiles. There is nothing in Scripture God has covenant with Gentiles. If He did in the Abrahamic Covenant, they would to this day all be circumcised and now you end up with the false doctrine of Universalism.
Not happening.
All three covenants are with Israel, not Gentiles, and no matter the length you want to go in interpreting into the Hebrew covenants Gentiles, then you have broken Scripture.
Why can't you take Scripture as written?

 

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Yes, it is called the "New Covenant" prophesied by Jeremiah in 31:31-34. And if you'll notice this New Covenant is with the House of Israel and House of Judah, meaning the twelve tribes of Jacob/Israel.

Yes, Christ fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant. The animal sacrifices prefigured His Personal sacrifice and being the Mosaic Covenant is with the children of Israel and He fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant made with the children of Israel on Passover evening, a Passover that was begun with the children of Israel, that Mosaic Covenant is wrapped up in Him. The New Covenant (Jer. 31:31-34) is the putting His Law in their (Israel's) inward part so that "Christ in you" (Israel) can now lead and guide Israel from within what the Law at one time was purposed to do from without (on stone) and now in fleshly tables of the 'heart.'

Not even Christ can break Scripture. And each of the three covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, and New) are covenants between God and the seed of Abraham, a people identified as the children of Israel. Remember that for decades Israel was enjoying the benefits of the New Covenant era until their destruction and while this people decreased, presumed Gentiles increased and for the last 1900 years have been enjoying salvation benefits. But there will come a day and is upon us that Israel will increase and presumed Gentiles will decrease, and what God had done with Israel, which was blinded them to their Messiah, He will blind presumed Gentiles as Israel increases and God turns His attention to Israel in preparation of His return BACK to Israel.

The New Covenant is "Christ ("Anointing") in you (Israel.)
This IS the Word of God.

Non Jews in the OT have been saved.

Salvation is based upon faith....not linage.

 

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It's a matter of interpretation for Scripture cannot be broken and Scripture declares the Abrahamic Covenant is with Abraham and his seed and there are no covenants with Gentiles. There is nothing in Scripture God has covenant with Gentiles. If He did in the Abrahamic Covenant, they would to this day all be circumcised and now you end up with the false doctrine of Universalism.
Not happening.
All three covenants are with Israel, not Gentiles, and no matter the length you want to go in interpreting into the Hebrew covenants Gentiles, then you have broken Scripture.
Why can't you take Scripture as written?

As you said..."It's a matter of interpretation". As I have said, not all people saved in the OT were Jews. That is how scripture was written.

The Jews is the linage from which Jesus would come and Satan would try to destroy.

 

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No. For God so loved the world.

Yes, Israel was the linage from which our savior would come who God has given to the entire world so that if you believe in Jesus you can have eternal life.

God so love the world of Hebrews/Jews.
Jesus would not contradict the reason why He came and for who.
He came to and for the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

 

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Non Jews in the OT have been saved.

Salvation is based upon faith....not linage.

There is no requirement of faith in the Abrahamic Covenant,
There is a requirement for obedience in the Mosaic Covenant,
and there is no requirement of faith in the New Covenant.
No one was saved in the Old Testament. The Israel of God were "kept" until faith should (and did) appear.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal. 3:22–24.

There was no sacrifice for sin and until Christ resurrected no man ascended up into heaven.
My edumacated guess as to where these souls were before Christ's resurrection were in the grave as we look at it from our perspective of time,
but after death are immediately translated into eternity and before God. Although the dead are placed in the grave as we see it all from our perspective in time and time moves forward, from the perspective of the dead they are immediately translated before God as all things have been said and done and Christ sits on His throne.

 

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As you said..."It's a matter of interpretation". As I have said, not all people saved in the OT were Jews. That is how scripture was written.

The Jews is the linage from which Jesus would come and Satan would try to destroy.

The only people that are kept for the day of salvation are those in salvation covenant with God i.e. the Hebrews.

Satan? You mean the angel that sinned that has been locked up since before God created man? You do know the word "satan" has been used of men, right? All it means is "adversary" and there are no adversaries of God but men - saved and unsaved until the times of restitution when everything is said and done, sin and death conquered, and Christ sits on His throne.
The teaching that the angels that sinned are still loose and doing what they want spits in the face of a Sovereign God. The only adversary of God is man - saved and unsaved.
When a Christian is disobedient, they are in opposition to God. But His mercy and grace endures forever, which is why His longsuffering in the quality of His understanding we fail is what keeps Him from utterly destroying us all.
But God has purposed to be gracious, merciful, and longsuffering for the sake of Christ who was slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world.
In other words, before God created heaven, earth, and man a lamb was slain which first enabled God to create a sinful man, and from this mass of humanity as written in John 17, then take out a people for Himself.

 

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God so love the world of Hebrews/Jews.

You added to scripture. That's not in John 3:16.

 

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No one was saved in the Old Testament.

Heb 11 has an entire chapter on those saved by faith in the OT.

 

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Satan? You mean the angel that sinned that has been locked up since before God created man?

Satan fell after man was created.

 

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You added to scripture. That's not in John 3:16.

Jesus was prophesied to and for the Hebrews (Deut. 18:15, 18.)
He came to and for the Hebrews (Jn. 1:31.)
The animal sacrifices were to atone for the sins of the Hebrews (yearly.)
Christ as Lamb of God was sent to die for the sins of the Hebrews and in keeping with the Mosaic Covenant.
Jesus came and taught the Hebrews from out of the Law.
Jesus Himself said He was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.
Jesus sent His disciples to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.
All three covenants are between God and the Hebrew people.
God spent about three thousand years from Abraham to Christ dealing exclusively with one people, defending this one people, feeding this one people, protecting this one people, raising this one people, prospering this one people, chastising this one people. He gave this one people His Law and the benefits of the covenants. This one people prayed to their covenant God, worshiped their covenant God, served their covenant God.
Christ fulfilled the Law and everything it described, and He did it in accordance with covenant and prophecy.
God says this one people is holy, a kingdom of priests, that He loves this one people ABOVE all peoples of the earth.
And after spending nearly three thousand years intimately involved with this one people, delivered this one people many times, betrothed to marry this one people, gives this one people the Gentiles to inherit as a love-gift from Husband God, places His Holy Law in the inward parts of this one people, gives this one people His Holy Spirit, and all of a sudden His first words after resurrection and through His apostles is to speak His first Word to Gentiles?

When I said "world of Jews" I am pointing to the fact that in all that Jesus did He did to and for the Hebrews. The word "world" is used in context and in historical context it refers to the Hebrew. But you take this Greek word to include EVERYBODY and that's not what John is saying. If the animal sacrifice was killed to atone for the sins of the Hebrews according to the Scripture, God is not going to all of a sudden change His word so that "world" includes Gentiles after thousands and thousands of centuries of dealing with one people: The Hebrews.

What the Hebrews have in the God of Abraham the fact remains that Gentiles have nothing because they are nothing and vanity and Christ did not die for unclean, uncircumcised, idol-worshiping Gentiles. He died according to the Scripture TO and FOR those He came to save, and that one people are the Hebrews.
There is no covenant between God and Gentiles in all of the bible. Gentiles do not and have not enjoyed such an intimate relationship with God as the Hebrews have for centuries on end.
But what Gentiles have done is stolen everything God gave or promised to His covenant people and made it all apply to them. Terms like "covenant" and "Church/Great Congregation" and "Bride" and "Betrothed" and "saint(s), which all belong to the Hebrews as Scripture records these belong to them, Gentiles have stolen and made everything that belonged to the Hebrews to belong and apply to them (Gentiles.)
It's called Inheritance theft.
Someone draws up a last will and testament, names a beneficiary or beneficiaries, and a stranger comes in and steals the Hebrews' inheritance.
Is that legal?
Is that moral?
Is that of God?
No, it's not.

 

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Heb 11 has an entire chapter on those saved by faith in the OT.

Saul says they were "kept" until the Holy Spirit of Promise could arrive and apply the salvation bought by the Son to their accounts.
Gal. 3:23.

 

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a stranger comes in and steals the Hebrews' inheritance.

So, I stole salvation?

 

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Satan fell after man was created.

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah 14:14–15.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6.

God did all this locking up BEFORE He created man. I place it between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
They sinned because they were created sinful. And God being God He destroyed the planet. He turned the world upside down. America used to be in the southern hemisphere.

 

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Saul says they were "kept" until the Holy Spirit of Promise could arrive and apply the salvation bought by the Son to their accounts.
Gal. 3:23.

You should have kept on reading.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

 

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14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah 14:14–15.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6.

God did all this locking up BEFORE He created man. I place it between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
They sinned because they were created sinful. And God being God He destroyed the planet. He turned the world upside down. America used to be in the southern hemisphere.

No. Satan walked in the Garden of Eden in an un-fallen state. This happened after Jesus created man.

 

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You should have kept on reading.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

I get tired of pointing out the obvious.

23 But before faith came, we [JEWS] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [JEWS] schoolmaster to bring us [JEWS] unto Christ, that we [JEWS] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [JEWS] are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye [JEWS] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [JEWS] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [JEWS] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [JEWS] be Christ’s, then are ye [STILL JEWS AND] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal. 3:23–29.

Saul is addressing a genuine issue from Jewish Christians who were concerned about their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant now that they are born-again and become Christ-followers. As you can see Saul is describing some things to these Jewish Christians to whom he is writing. He tells them that as they are Christ's they are still Abraham's seed. Nothing's changed.
Gentiles have NEVER been heirs of the Abrahamic Covenant because Gentiles are not the seed of Aberaham.

 

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No. Satan walked in the Garden of Eden in an un-fallen state. This happened after Jesus created man.

Can't be.
God destroyed the planet before He created man:

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled,
And all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, (no Adam is the Hebrew word.)
And all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness,
And all the cities thereof were broken down
At the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer. 4:24–26.


1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste,
And turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
Isaiah 24:1.

Similar language in Genesis 1:2, and when did the Lord cause the hills to move lightly and the mountains trembled and in fierce anger? When did the Lord turn the earth upside down? What weapons could do this to the earth? Nuclear? Asteroid? Whatever happened there was no man/Adam and this points to before God created man. And without a man created He was able to turn the earth upside down.

You see, the gifts and calling of God are without repentance, meaning He doesn't take them away (Judas applies here, too.) The ministry of Lucifer was just above ground in first heaven spread-over the throne of God possibly in a place later to be identified as Jerusalem. Lucifer left his first habitation (Jude) and ascended into (second) heaven but was cast down immediately to the ground/hell. This is when Jesus Christ saw "Satan" (adversary) fall as lightning at God's swift and terrible sword. Since the gifts and calling of God is without repentance the only way to remove Lucifer from his ministry of overspreading the Mount of God and stones of fire was to destroy the planet.
No throne, no ministry and viola'!
They were placed in chains of darkness to await judgment day.
Then, God in Genesis 1:2 Re-creates and restores the planet to his specifications (very good) and proceeds with the angels out of the way with His Plan of Man.

 

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Can't be.
God destroyed the planet before He created man:

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled,
And all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, (no Adam is the Hebrew word.)
And all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness,
And all the cities thereof were broken down
At the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer. 4:24–26.

You present a description of destruction...who say's it describes a pre-Adamic world?

When I read "“The whole land will be desolate," or...For I am bringing disaster from the north, or Your cities will be reduced to ruins or "in that day,” declares the LORD.

Sounds futuristic....what tells us it was a pre-Adamic world?

The bible tells us Satan was in the Garden of Eden in an un-fallen state.

Ez 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle; and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared.