The Kingdom of God on Earth in Jerusalem.

[EarlyActs]

Ee

Straw man.

I resist your reading into the text what is nowhere presented.

The NT is about belief and salvation, not about being a missionary.

Present the Scriptures where the NT is about being a missionary.

Both are there. in the first place, why do Pentecost when all those people from all those countries are there? They go home and tell people.

If you don't grasp that, I can't spend any more time on something so obvious.
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[EarlyActs]

Eleanor, in case you hadn't noticed, the whole Christian group is a mission group.

 

[Eleanor]

If you don't grasp that, I can't spend any more time on something so obvious.

So obvious, and yet you have presented no Scriptures actually stating or presenting what you assert.

What you assert is addressed in posts #66 and #71, and awaits your Biblical demonstration of their error.

 

[Eleanor]

Eleanor, in case you hadn't noticed, the whole Christian group is a mission group.

Straw man. . .that is not the burden of Acts nor the rest of the NT.

The burden of the NT is salvation in Jesus Christ through faith alone, not by works, and growth in that faith and sanctification.

It is not about Israel's failure as missionaries.

 

[Eleanor]

@EarlyActs makes me think he is an evangelist at heart. They so often come across as though God's whole reason for creating humans and redeeming them is to add members to the club.

I wish that were the case.

I see an attempt to redefine and mitigate what the NT presents about Israel; i.e., her rejection and cutting off from the people of God.

 

[EarlyActs]

Straw man. . .that is not the burden of Acts nor the rest of the NT.

The burden of the NT is salvation in Jesus Christ through faith alone, not by works, and growth in that faith and sanctification.

It is not about Israel's failure as missionaries.

You don't understand that there is more than one reality. Another thing that happened besides the Gospel event, on which we agree, is that the zealot revolt took off after many warnings by Jesus. The main warning: if you don't become the missionaries that your OT prophets said you should be, you will destroy the country.

This is not about salvation, and there are other things about history going on. If you don't like to deal with history as in Acts, tear it out of your Bible.

The failure of Israel to be the missionaries its prophets said it should be cause its destruction.

Did you know Paul quoted Ps 19:1 about the stars as about Christ's missionaries; it saturates the Bible.

What good is a perfectly state gospel message if no one is taking it out? Sheesh.

 

[EarlyActs]

I wish that were the case.

I see an attempt to redefine and mitigate what the NT presents about Israel; i.e., her rejection and cutting off from the people of God.

??? This is nuts. Yes the unbelievers were cut off and in fact that's the warning I've been talking about in Acts 3:23 from the Deut quote.

I don't know what you have against missions or missionaries but you are saying impossible things, and quite ignorant.

Have a look at my book; you have the details in your email. COVENANT REVOLT and ENTHRONED KING.

 

[EarlyActs]

Straw man.

I resist your reading into the text what is nowhere presented.

The NT is about belief and salvation, not about being a missionary.

Present the Scriptures where the NT is about being a missionary.

Both are there. in the first place, why do Pentecost when all those people from all those countries are there? They go home and tell people.

If you don't grasp that, I can't spend any more time on something so obvious.
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Forget it you have no logic. A message that is posted for everyone under heaven has to have people take it to them.

All the questions you had were answered with a huge list of correctly handled passges.

Last warning. You're just playing mind-games or control-games. Not worth my time.

 

[EarlyActs]

So obvious, and yet you have presented no Scriptures actually stating or presenting what you assert.

What you assert is addressed in posts #66 and #71, and awaits your Biblical demonstration of their error.

I'm not part of 66 and 71 was addressed with a huge list.

 

[EarlyActs]

Straw man. . .that is not the burden of Acts nor the rest of the NT.

The burden of the NT is salvation in Jesus Christ through faith alone, not by works, and growth in that faith and sanctification.

It is not about Israel's failure as missionaries.

It is precisely Luke's report of the mission work, not the zealot tactics, of the 1st gen Christians that preserved their presence for decades, until a nut like Nero arrived. Rome's admins wanted to know if the Christians were connected with, for ex., 4000 Egyptian terrorists in Acts 22.

 

[Eleanor]

You don't understand that there is more than one reality. Another thing that happened besides the Gospel event, on which we agree, is that the zealot revolt took off after many warnings by Jesus. The main warning: if you don't become the missionaries that your OT prophets said you should be, you will destroy the country.

This is not about salvation, and there are other things about history going on. If you don't like to deal with history as in Acts, tear it out of your Bible.

The failure of Israel to be the missionaries its prophets said it should be cause its destruction.

That is a major interjection into the NT narrative in Acts.

Did you know Paul quoted Ps 19:1 about the stars as about Christ's missionaries; it saturates the Bible.

The nature of God saturates the Bible, but that is not the focus of Acts.

The focus in Acts is to present a history of the church (1:8), including a defense of its truth, a guide to basic principles being applied in specific situations, and a record of its prevalence in the face of persecution.

You conflate the actual focus in Acts with a missionary mandate to the Jews.
Nowhere is that presented in Acts.

What good is a perfectly state gospel message if no one is taking it out? Sheesh.

And therein is the issue, you have imposed your human reasoning on Acts rather than letting it state and speak for itself.

Everywhere, it is the apostles and their assistants establishing the church among the Gentiles.
The emphasis and point is the gospel and salvation, not failure of the Jews to evangelize.

 

[Eleanor]

The failure of Israel to be the missionaries its prophets said it should be cause its destruction.

The physical destruction of Jerusalem is the judgment of God on Israel for unbelief and rejection of its Messiah.

The cutting off of Israel from the people of God and salvation is for unbelief and rejection of their Messiah.

The issue with God and Israel is unbelief and rejection of their Messiah, it's not failing to be missionaries.

Why do you minimize both the gravity of their offense (unbelief) and God's response to that offense (damnation)?
Why do you make it simply about being missionaries?

 

[Eleanor]

@EarlyActs makes me think he is an evangelist at heart. They so often come across as though God's whole reason for creating humans and redeeming them is to add members to the club.

I dunno'.

I'm inclined to think the minimalization of the Jews' offense against God as simply failing to be missionaries is not just coincidental to his "adding members to the club," when the consequences of their unbelief (damnation) is such a major issue in Ro.

 

[Eleanor]

Eleanor, you've been great but you're being a bit rigid here on some t

Eleanor, you've mostly been great, but you're being a bit rigid and brittle here on several things, sometimes just word choice.

The answers to these questions will clear it up for me:

What is the nature of God's rejection of the Jews?
Are they still God's people (Ro 11:17-23)?

What is the eternal destiny of all those Jews who do not believe in Jesus Christ, from the cross to today, and in the future (Jn 3:18, 36)?

 

[EarlyActs]

That is a major interjection into the NT narrative in Acts.


The nature of God saturates the Bible, but that is not the focus of Acts.

The focus in Acts is to present a history of the church (1:8), including a defense of its truth, a guide to basic principles being applied in specific situations, and a record of its prevalence in the face of persecution.

You conflate the actual focus in Acts with a missionary mandate to the Jews.
Nowhere is that presented in Acts.

And therein is the issue, you have imposed your human reasoning on Acts rather than letting it state and speak for itself.

Everywhere, it is the apostles and their assistants establishing the church among the Gentiles.
The emphasis and point is the gospel and salvation, not failure of the Jews to evangelize.

Your misaccusations are just piling up, so I'll put you on ignore. Acts 13:47.

 

[Eleanor]

Your misaccusations are just piling up, so I'll put you on ignore. Acts 13:47.

And so my questions in post #94 go unanswered.

Revealing. . .and confirming.

 

[Eleanor]

Yes indeed, most people don't get Paul's point in Romans 9-11, he is speaking about service unto God, therefore the Pre Trib Rapture puts Israel back on the clock so to speak of God's SERVICE timeline,

I just found my answer above in another thread. . .and it explains everything: the mimimalization of Israel's offense against God, the predication of Israel as missionaries, the personal offense at "misaccusations piling up," and the refusal to deal with my direct questions in post #94.

And that answer is above: the rejection of Israel in Ro 9-11 is about service, not about unbelief.
And that is contra-NT.

 

[Eleanor]

Your misaccusations are just piling up, so I'll put you on ignore. Acts 13:47.

Yes indeed, most people don't get Paul's point in Romans 9-11, he is speaking about service unto God, therefore the Pre Trib Rapture puts Israel back on the clock so to speak of God's SERVICE timeline,

I just found my answer in another thread. . .and it explains everything: your mimimalization of Israel's offense against God, your predication of Israel as missionaries, your personal offense at "misaccusations piling up," and your refusal to deal with my direct questions in post #94.

And that answer is above: the rejection of Israel in Ro 9-11 is about service, not about unbelief.
And that is a contra-NT denial of the burden of Ro 9-11, which is about the condemnation/damnation of Israel through God's hardening because of unbelief.

 

[Eleanor]

@EarlyActs makes me think he is an evangelist at heart. They so often come across as though God's whole reason for creating humans and redeeming them is to add members to the club.

See post #98.

 

[Eleanor]

Eleanor, you've mostly been great, but you're being a bit rigid and brittle here on several things,

That you regard my sticking to the text as "a bit rigid and brittle" is simply an objection to my disagreeing with your unwarranted ascriptions to the text of Acts, those ascriptions actually being a segway to a false theology denying God's rejection, hardening and condemnation of unbelieving Israel in Ro 11, your maintaining that it was simply a matter of Israel's failure to be missionaries.

My insistence on sticking to the text revealed this segway and its contra-NT theology.

You will find me continuing this practice of sticking to the text, for it reveals false teaching.