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The Kingdom of God on Earth in Jerusalem.

A statement he made to a non-Israelite.

There was no "Bible" during the time of Jesus. There were only scrolls of the OT.

And that Bible contains the words of the Son of God, Jesus of Nazareth, and Messiah
who was among them,
who came to fulfill the OT promises,
to teach Israel of the kingdom of God,
which had now come to them (Mt 12:28, Lk 11:20),
and was within them (Lk 17:20-21)
, and
who appointed 12 apostles to teach the people of God what he had taught them,
the testimony of all of which is in the NT for the people of God.

And that family continues to the end of time, with the big difference that now one sacrifice for the remission of sin has been made, and no more need to be made for those who trust in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin and right standing with Gods justice; i.e., "not guilty."

What is important is that they are the brothers of the only Son of God, enjoy the same rights (Jn 1:12) and privileges as the only Son of God, inherit the same inheritance as the only Son of God, and live by the same rules as the only Son of God.
What is important is that those who have rejected Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of God have been cut off from God's one people , the one olive tree (Ro 11:17-23), the NT church, and are no longer his people, and whose destiny is to be grafted back into the one olive tree of the NT church IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief, which they have for 2,000 years now, and counting.
The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Paul said in Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
 
I just found my answer in another thread. . .and it explains everything: your mimimalization of Israel's offense against God, your predication of Israel as missionaries, your personal offense at "misaccusations piling up," and your refusal to deal with my direct questions in post #94.

And that answer is above: the rejection of Israel in Ro 9-11 is about service, not about unbelief.
And that is a contra-NT denial of the burden of Ro 9-11, which is about the condemnation/damnation of Israel through God's hardening because of unbelief.
Actually, sister, I understand that God chose the Gentiles because of Israel's unbelief, the very chapter I cited says this, Rom. 11 and Paul says this below:

Rom. 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part(IN PART means Jewish individuals can know the Lord) is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles(BUT, as a Nation Israel will not repent until the Gentiles Time of Service is over via the Pre Trib Rapture, the main reason is they were NOT A NATION for 2000 yrs) be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written(this does not mean every Jew, it is speaking ab out Israel as a Nation repents, Zech. 13:8-9 says 1/3 of the Jews repent), There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins(as he takes away our, BY FAITH ALONE). 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance(God's calling, even unto us never changes, likewise God called Israel to birth the Messiah, Check, and he called the Gentiles to deliver the Gospel unto the whole world Nearing a CHECK in full there also, and lastly God called Israel to serve with Jesus during his 1000 year reign, which is soon to come).

So, I do not know if I misread you reply, or if you misunderstood my overall point. Of course Israel was in unbelief, but God will call them unto repentance, Ez. 36 tells us why? Because of His own promises, He says they do not deserve it, but He promised Abraham. We do not deserve His mercy either, but we serve a loving God Amen.

The SERVICE I am speaking about is how we can understand what the "Time of the Gentiles" is referring unto via what Paul is saying in Romans 9-11. He is trying to get the Romans not to get the big head, not to think of themselves as greater than Israel, whom at that tine God had forsaken, he wants them to understand, HEY WAKE UP, if you do not abide in Faith you will also fall !! Then he reveals The Mystery, which is this, God will use the Gentile Church until their/our mission is compete, THEN..........Israel's Dead Bones will be revived (1948) and finally after the Pre Trib Rapture, God will call them unto repentance, and Jesus will rule from Jerusalem, amidst his brother Jews for 1000 years. So, the point I was making is the "Time of the Gentiles" is not what a lot of people think, a Domination over Israel by Gentile Nations, that is true elsewhere where they are called Beasts, here this is not the case, here Paul is speaking about SERVICE !! Reread Rom. 9-11 and that becomes apparent. He chose Jacob over Esau, God chooses as a Potter which vessel He creates etc.
 
Actually, sister, I understand that God chose the Gentiles because of Israel's unbelief, the very chapter I cited says this, Rom. 11 and Paul says this below:

Rom. 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part(IN PART means Jewish individuals can know the Lord) is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles(BUT, as a Nation Israel will not repent until the Gentiles Time of Service is over via the Pre Trib Rapture, the main reason is they were NOT A NATION for 2000 yrs) be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written(this does not mean every Jew, it is speaking ab out Israel as a Nation repents, Zech. 13:8-9 says 1/3 of the Jews repent), There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins(as he takes away our, BY FAITH ALONE). 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance(God's calling, even unto us never changes, likewise God called Israel to birth the Messiah, Check, and he called the Gentiles to deliver the Gospel unto the whole world Nearing a CHECK in full there also, and lastly God called Israel to serve with Jesus during his 1000 year reign, which is soon to come).

So, I do not know if I misread you reply, or if you misunderstood my overall point. Of course Israel was in unbelief, but God will call them unto repentance, Ez. 36 tells us why? Because of His own promises, He says they do not deserve it, but He promised Abraham. We do not deserve His mercy either, but we serve a loving God Amen.

The SERVICE I am speaking about is how we can understand what the "Time of the Gentiles" is referring unto via what Paul is saying in Romans 9-11. He is trying to get the Romans not to get the big head, not to think of themselves as greater than Israel, whom at that tine God had forsaken, he wants them to understand, HEY WAKE UP, if you do not abide in Faith you will also fall !! Then he reveals The Mystery, which is this, God will use the Gentile Church until their/our mission is compete, THEN..........Israel's Dead Bones will be revived (1948) and finally after the Pre Trib Rapture, God will call them unto repentance, and Jesus will rule from Jerusalem, amidst his brother Jews for 1000 years. So, the point I was making is the "Time of the Gentiles" is not what a lot of people think, a Domination over Israel by Gentile Nations, that is true elsewhere where they are called Beasts, here this is not the case, here Paul is speaking about SERVICE !! Reread Rom. 9-11 and that becomes apparent. He chose Jacob over Esau, God chooses as a Potter which vessel He creates etc.


There are many things to address here:
1, 1948 is not what you are saying. There is no 'restoration' that does not include the outpouring of the Spirit and the new covenant and even the outreach to Gentiles.
2, God did not want to use the Gentiles only. He asked Israel repeatedly to be missionaries to the world. Acts 13:47 is quote of Isaiah.
3, 'Being saved' in Romans is not an Israeli restoration. The quote of Isaiah there is historical; this has come to pass. Check 'being saved' elsewhere in the letter.
4, The thing that shows all the way back to the beginning is the outreach to the nations. It is in the main promise quoted by the apostles from the patriarch narrative; they never mention the land promise. 'In the Seed, all the nations of the world will be blessed.'
5, People often think 'irrevocable' is the last word on all this. Yet the very next verses are saying that the mercy and binding of God are all complete already! So it is not a matter of waiting for something in the future.
At the same time, it is amazing how many people do not realize the finality of Acts 3:24, especially those who quote the forever land promise. It is a warning that if they don't follow the new MOses, they will be cut off from the people. There is also the finality of 2 Th 2. But people only think the land promise is forever, and to come back to after the NT says nothing about it.
 
It is not there.
Please present the Scritpures from Acts where this is either stated or clearly presented.
1, it is automatically in the Pentecost event itself. It took the message back to the homes all over the Roman empire.
2, It is in Acts 2:4. Everyone. How does everyone get a chance if they don't go?
3, v39, the promise is for the nearest and the furthest.
4, the sermon is not climaxed on salvation but on the declaration that Jesus is now Lord and Christ in the Davidic sense, but salvation is close behind.
5, 3:24. The New Moses said to obey in all things, and he had declared that they were to go to the nations.
6, 3:25, 26. The ancient blessing to the nations was repeated, and the iniquity of Israel at this very moment is not being an outreach to the nations. They were very much about closing off, and making it as difficult as possible for Gentiles.
7, 4:12. The name for salvation is for everyone under heaven.
8, 4:25. The apostles lament the resistance of the nations and their own rulers. They ask for the ability to speak to all. The prayer is from Ps 2 and is predicated on the fact that God created all mankind.

The very nature of the message is that it is for all, and must be taken to all. I have no idea why you resist that.
Straw man.

I resist your reading into the text what is nowhere presented.

The NT is about belief and salvation, not about being a missionary.

Present the Scriptures where the NT is about being a missionary.
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I wish that were the case.

I see an attempt to redefine and mitigate what the NT presents about Israel; i.e., her rejection and cutting off from the people of God.
You seem to be right, as @EarlyActs continues in the same tack without acceding to your point, or even acknowledging that you do have a point.
 
Your misaccusations are just piling up, so I'll put you on ignore. Acts 13:47.
You seem to be beating a rather hasty retreat. Hard to get past the truth, isn't it? You know @Eleanor has a point, but you won't even admit that much. You've so far shown nothing she has said to be wrong.
 
I just found my answer in another thread. . .and it explains everything: your mimimalization of Israel's offense against God, your predication of Israel as missionaries, your personal offense at "misaccusations piling up," and your refusal to deal with my direct questions in post #94.

And that answer is above: the rejection of Israel in Ro 9-11 is about service, not about unbelief.
And that is a contra-NT denial of the burden of Ro 9-11, which is about the condemnation/damnation of Israel through God's hardening because of unbelief.
Wow! Well done!
 
The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Paul said in Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
How is this even relevant to what @Eleanor said?
 
There are many things to address here:
1, 1948 is not what you are saying. There is no 'restoration' that does not include the outpouring of the Spirit and the new covenant and even the outreach to Gentiles.
2, God did not want to use the Gentiles only. He asked Israel repeatedly to be missionaries to the world. Acts 13:47 is quote of Isaiah.
3, 'Being saved' in Romans is not an Israeli restoration. The quote of Isaiah there is historical; this has come to pass. Check 'being saved' elsewhere in the letter.
4, The thing that shows all the way back to the beginning is the outreach to the nations. It is in the main promise quoted by the apostles from the patriarch narrative; they never mention the land promise. 'In the Seed, all the nations of the world will be blessed.'
5, People often think 'irrevocable' is the last word on all this. Yet the very next verses are saying that the mercy and binding of God are all complete already! So it is not a matter of waiting for something in the future.
At the same time, it is amazing how many people do not realize the finality of Acts 3:24, especially those who quote the forever land promise. It is a warning that if they don't follow the new MOses, they will be cut off from the people. There is also the finality of 2 Th 2. But people only think the land promise is forever, and to come back to after the NT says nothing about it.
Do yourself a favor and show the logical sequence between what you say here, and how you assume the things you say here apply to your thesis. It might be good to repeat your thesis again, because it seems to me you sort of, kind of, wish to make a point, without being too firm about it. At least, I'm no longer sure what you think your thesis is.
 
There are many things to address here:
1, 1948 is not what you are saying. There is no 'restoration' that does not include the outpouring of the Spirit and the new covenant and even the outreach to Gentiles.
Prophecy has been my calling for nigh 40 years. There is a two step process, God revives Israel as a Nation, then later he revives them spiritually, the very passages we speak about says this.

Ez. 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them(No Holy Spirit in them).

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

Think this through, there is no way God could ever get Israel o repent as a Nation from their unbelief, unless they are brought back in unbelief, then they repent as one nation. We see when they repent, its obvious.

Zech. 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Then the very next verse shows when this all goes down.

Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

So, Israel does not repent unto just before the DOTL/God's Wrath. The Nation of Israel is restored unto the EXACT STATE they were in at the Diaspora, a Nation that is dead spiritually. Later, the 70th week of penance finally sees them repent and turn back unto God at the 1335 Blessing (Two-witnesses).

2, God did not want to use the Gentiles only. He asked Israel repeatedly to be missionaries to the world. Acts 13:47 is quote of Isaiah.
Well, that is a given, the Disciples were all Jews, but he forsook Israel as a Nation, not individual Jews. That is why Israel is blind IN PART only, as a nation, but not as individuals, all men have the right to come unto God by faith, but Israel as a nation could not do that after 70 AD because God dispersed them the whole world over. They can and will do that during the 70th week. Jesus said when he comes back Israel will welcome him back as their messiah in Matt. 23:39 saying Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.

God chose for many varied reasons not to use Israel, if Israel had of not rejected Jesus God would have set up the Kingdom Age in 70ish AD, most do not understand that, but of course God foreknew they would nit accept him. Now, if you are trying to reach the whole world with the Gospel of Jesus who will the world be more likely to listen to? Gentiles of course, who have gotten saved and testify to their salvation. If Israel had of not been dispersed, eventually the leaders would have perverted the Gospel over time and brought it in under the Judaism umbrella. We can see this in Gal. 3, where Paul says oh foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you that starting out in the Spirit (Faith) you are now following the Flesh (Law). Then he goes on to show them how the Law can save no one, and how it was the Promise that was the original Covenant, the Law was only added 430 years later, and once the promised seed (Jesus) had come the Law was no longer needed. Then he says this and most everyone misinterprets wat Paul is saying. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, Male nor Female, Slave nor Freeman.

But he is not saying that all are one in Christ like many think, just the opposite, he is telling the Galatians to STOP trying to be Jewish like (keeping the laws) in order to try and work your way to heaven via the Laws, instead of via Faith Alone !! So, if all are one, why did he use the Male and Female analogy? Because there are of course still males and females, and there are also still Jews and Gentiles. Paul was telling the Galatians to stop trying to be Jews, we are all one in God by FAITH ALONE. That was Paul's point in Gal. 3.

So, I never stated God did not want to use Jews, but of course he was not going to use Israel, God states in Ez. 37 that until the very end times He sees Israel as Dead Men's Bones !! Not a nation. So, how could God use a nation when He says Israel are not a Nation? You are conflating the Nation of Israel with individual Jews who God can and has used for 2000 years as a "small part" of the church at all times.

3, 'Being saved' in Romans is not an Israeli restoration. The quote of Isaiah there is historical; this has come to pass. Check 'being saved' elsewhere in the letter.
Yes, Isaiah prophesied all Israel will be saved, NOT every Jew but Israel as a Nation is salvaged. So, Paul is quoting a Prophetic Utterance yet to be fulfilled, which will be fulfilled at the very end, as Zech. 13:8-9 shows us.

4, The thing that shows all the way back to the beginning is the outreach to the nations. It is in the main promise quoted by the apostles from the patriarch narrative; they never mention the land promise. 'In the Seed, all the nations of the world will be blessed.'
Yes, Israel births the Messiah through whom all nations will be blessed, but God still sees Israel as Dead Men's Bones from 70 AD until 1948. Ez. 37 says so.

5, People often think 'irrevocable' is the last word on all this. Yet the very next verses are saying that the mercy and binding of God are all complete already! So it is not a matter of waiting for something in the future.
Nothing is completed, more Gentiles and more Jews will be saved. The Gentile Church gets raptured, then Israel repents. The 7 Feasts show the timing, if one understand all of this. We are told the mercy shown unto Israel by the Church helps God to reach Israel.

Rom. 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your(Church) mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

So, via our Mercy (in the end times, after Israel is revived as in 1948) Israel sees the Pre Trib Rapture and they see everything we spoke about is coming to pass, this helps revive their faith in God, thus they are an open window when the Two-witnesses show up.

At the same time, it is amazing how many people do not realize the finality of Acts 3:24, especially those who quote the forever land promise. It is a warning that if they don't follow the new MOses, they will be cut off from the people. There is also the finality of 2 Th 2. But people only think the land promise is forever, and to come back to after the NT says nothing about it.
I truly do not even come close to grasping your POV. Are you a Preterist? Come on surely not.

Anyway, God Bless my friend.
 
You seem to be right, as @EarlyActs continues in the same tack without acceding to your point, or even acknowledging that you do have a point.

Obviously you don't know what you are reading in Rom 10. It's a famous mission passage for all believers, but is also part of Paul's answer in the previous section to Israel's zeal for the Law, which Paul is asking them to set aside.
 
Prophecy has been my calling for nigh 40 years. There is a two step process, God revives Israel as a Nation, then later he revives them spiritually, the very passages we speak about says this.

Ez. 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them(No Holy Spirit in them).

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

Think this through, there is no way God could ever get Israel o repent as a Nation from their unbelief, unless they are brought back in unbelief, then they repent as one nation. We see when they repent, its obvious.

Zech. 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Then the very next verse shows when this all goes down.

Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

So, Israel does not repent unto just before the DOTL/God's Wrath. The Nation of Israel is restored unto the EXACT STATE they were in at the Diaspora, a Nation that is dead spiritually. Later, the 70th week of penance finally sees them repent and turn back unto God at the 1335 Blessing (Two-witnesses).


Well, that is a given, the Disciples were all Jews, but he forsook Israel as a Nation, not individual Jews. That is why Israel is blind IN PART only, as a nation, but not as individuals, all men have the right to come unto God by faith, but Israel as a nation could not do that after 70 AD because God dispersed them the whole world over. They can and will do that during the 70th week. Jesus said when he comes back Israel will welcome him back as their messiah in Matt. 23:39 saying Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.

God chose for many varied reasons not to use Israel, if Israel had of not rejected Jesus God would have set up the Kingdom Age in 70ish AD, most do not understand that, but of course God foreknew they would nit accept him. Now, if you are trying to reach the whole world with the Gospel of Jesus who will the world be more likely to listen to? Gentiles of course, who have gotten saved and testify to their salvation. If Israel had of not been dispersed, eventually the leaders would have perverted the Gospel over time and brought it in under the Judaism umbrella. We can see this in Gal. 3, where Paul says oh foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you that starting out in the Spirit (Faith) you are now following the Flesh (Law). Then he goes on to show them how the Law can save no one, and how it was the Promise that was the original Covenant, the Law was only added 430 years later, and once the promised seed (Jesus) had come the Law was no longer needed. Then he says this and most everyone misinterprets wat Paul is saying. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, Male nor Female, Slave nor Freeman.

But he is not saying that all are one in Christ like many think, just the opposite, he is telling the Galatians to STOP trying to be Jewish like (keeping the laws) in order to try and work your way to heaven via the Laws, instead of via Faith Alone !! So, if all are one, why did he use the Male and Female analogy? Because there are of course still males and females, and there are also still Jews and Gentiles. Paul was telling the Galatians to stop trying to be Jews, we are all one in God by FAITH ALONE. That was Paul's point in Gal. 3.

So, I never stated God did not want to use Jews, but of course he was not going to use Israel, God states in Ez. 37 that until the very end times He sees Israel as Dead Men's Bones !! Not a nation. So, how could God use a nation when He says Israel are not a Nation? You are conflating the Nation of Israel with individual Jews who God can and has used for 2000 years as a "small part" of the church at all times.


Yes, Isaiah prophesied all Israel will be saved, NOT every Jew but Israel as a Nation is salvaged. So, Paul is quoting a Prophetic Utterance yet to be fulfilled, which will be fulfilled at the very end, as Zech. 13:8-9 shows us.


Yes, Israel births the Messiah through whom all nations will be blessed, but God still sees Israel as Dead Men's Bones from 70 AD until 1948. Ez. 37 says so.


Nothing is completed, more Gentiles and more Jews will be saved. The Gentile Church gets raptured, then Israel repents. The 7 Feasts show the timing, if one understand all of this. We are told the mercy shown unto Israel by the Church helps God to reach Israel.

Rom. 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your(Church) mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

So, via our Mercy (in the end times, after Israel is revived as in 1948) Israel sees the Pre Trib Rapture and they see everything we spoke about is coming to pass, this helps revive their faith in God, thus they are an open window when the Two-witnesses show up.


I truly do not even come close to grasping your POV. Are you a Preterist? Come on surely not.

Anyway, God Bless my friend.


But when you survey all the passages about the 'restoration' Pentecost is that event: That is why Joel 2 is quoted by Peter. Did you notice he did not quote Ezek 37, 38 nor do any of the NT writers? Yet the Spirit was poured out, the restoration came (and largely refused) and the Gentiles were reached, as all the prophets said.


See the official summary of what the whole NT fulfillment was about in Acts 26:
1, that Christ would suffer for sins
2, that he would be preached among the nations.

Paul instroduces this by saying: we do not go beyond the prophets.

So don't feed us a fake system that persistently goes beyond!
 
Actually, sister, I understand that God chose the Gentiles because of Israel's unbelief, the very chapter I cited says this, Rom. 11 and Paul says this below:

Rom. 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part(IN PART means Jewish individuals can know the Lord) is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles(BUT, as a Nation Israel will not repent until the Gentiles Time of Service is over via the Pre Trib Rapture, the main reason is they were NOT A NATION for 2000 yrs) be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written(this does not mean every Jew, it is speaking ab out Israel as a Nation repents, Zech. 13:8-9 says 1/3 of the Jews repent), There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins(as he takes away our, BY FAITH ALONE). 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance(God's calling, even unto us never changes, likewise God called Israel to birth the Messiah, Check, and he called the Gentiles to deliver the Gospel unto the whole world Nearing a CHECK in full there also, and lastly God called Israel to serve with Jesus during his 1000 year reign, which is soon to come).

So, I do not know if I misread you reply, or if you misunderstood my overall point. Of course Israel was in unbelief, but God will call them unto repentance, Ez. 36 tells us why? Because of His own promises, He says they do not deserve it, but He promised Abraham. We do not deserve His mercy either, but we serve a loving God Amen.
The SERVICE I am speaking about is how we can understand what the "Time of the Gentiles" is referring unto via what Paul is saying in Romans 9-11. He is trying to get the Romans not to get the big head, not to think of themselves as greater than Israel, whom at that tine God had forsaken, he wants them to understand, HEY WAKE UP, if you do not abide in Faith you will also fall !! Then he reveals The Mystery, which is this, God will use the Gentile Church until their/our mission is compete, THEN..........Israel's Dead Bones will be revived
Paul does not state that as fact, but as conditional: IF (not "when") they do not persist in unbelief (Ro 11:23).
(1948) and finally after the Pre Trib Rapture,
Which is contrary to the following authoritative teaching of John, Paul and Matthew:

Jesus locates the resurrection in the last day (John 6:39).
Paul locates the resurrection with the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:16).
Jesus locates the rapture with the second coming (Matthew 24:39-41).
(The saints are caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds, whereupon they descend with him to earth for the Final Judgment.)
Jesus locates the second coming with the judgment of the sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-33).

So in terms of the time of their occurrence, the rapture is (occurs at the time of) the judgment:

the last day = resurrection = rapture = second coming = final judgment of sheep and goats (all mankind)

(and the resurrection being in the last day with the judgment of the sheep and goats--all mankind,
thereby making only one resurrection. . .of all mankind).

If one's personal interpretation of prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8) does not locate the rapture with the judgment of the sheep and goats at the end of time, that interpretation is not in agreement with authoritative NT apostolic teaching, thereby making it in error, for Scripture does not contradict itself.
God will call them unto repentance, and Jesus will rule from Jerusalem, amidst his brother Jews for 1000 years. So, the point I was making is the "Time of the Gentiles" is not what a lot of people think, a Domination over Israel by Gentile Nations, that is true elsewhere where they are called Beasts, here this is not the case, here Paul is speaking about SERVICE !! Reread Rom. 9-11 and that becomes apparent. He chose Jacob over Esau, God chooses as a Potter which vessel He creates etc.
Not according to the authoritative NT apostolic teaching above.
 
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You can't just walk up to the OT passage and say ding! it's this or that. You have to realize that 2500 OT passages have already been used or alluded by the apostles, and it could take a couple year to get up to speed with that! And that was all learned from Christ in the 40 days.

Of course, you can be a modern know it all and say that 'God gave me a special revelation...'
 
Obviously you don't know what you are reading in Rom 10. It's a famous mission passage for all believers, but is also part of Paul's answer in the previous section to Israel's zeal for the Law, which Paul is asking them to set aside.
Ro 10 is not a "mission" passage.

It is Paul's grief over God's rejection of Israel (think Jesus weeping over Jerusalem) and an explanation of their persistence in unbelief as the reason for that rejection.
 
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