The Great Apostasy in the Church.

[Hobie]

That is not the only sign that Pope's Church left the truth of the Church that God created. There are many more. But still Pope's Church accepts the tradition with the importance of what Saints have written as interpretation of the Holy Bible. So we can still find good Priests and monks in Pope's Church. But we can find even better in the East Orthodox Church, the Church created by the Apostles and still trying to keep the same spirit without pride and arrogance. Of course we can find also there bad shepherds. But as God Word said He is the true vine and His branches are the church. He cuts off the bad branches (bad Priests, heretics and bad christians) and throw them into the fire.

for there are 3 types of bad christians:
1. The lazy christians (like me) that they don't pray enough, etc)

2. the Pharisees who think they are saved and they are full of arrogance.

3. Those that interpretate with their own will the scriptures and they create false dogmas like the heretics and every one that makes fallacy of doctrine. The Pharisees and the false dogmas are the most dangerous because pride is blinding them. Most of them have an epidermic knowledge of the scriptures and do not know basic theology.

Yes, my family came out of this, and they knew many good people in there, but the doctrines being taught and tradition it spreads are corrupted and against God, so thats why it is a 'antichrist' entity...

 

[EarlyActs]

Is this is too hard to understand? I think its for more than just the '1st century Jewish person'...

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

There must be something specific you want me to see connected to a previous conversation, but I don’t know what it is.

 

[EarlyActs]

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Is this is too hard to understand? I think its for more than just the '1st century Jewish person'...

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

I should put it this way: After we have understood what the first readers gained from it, then we can say. The Rev is far and away the most difficult to pin down historically on this, but its pastoral parts are great for anyone pressed by a system of unbelief.

The most annoying people are those who claim it is so easy to follow but hardly ever use it pastorally and themselves are scared to be around evil and challenge it.

 

[Hobie]

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I should put it this way: After we have understood what the first readers gained from it, then we can say. The Rev is far and away the most difficult to pin down historically on this, but its pastoral parts are great for anyone pressed by a system of unbelief.

The most annoying people are those who claim it is so easy to follow but hardly ever use it pastorally and themselves are scared to be around evil and challenge it.

No, we must allow God to unveil it...
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[EarlyActs]

No, we must allow God to unveil it...
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But all that does is obscure your thinking--and prevent you from thinking. It is wildly out of context, too. So what good is that.

When an ancient document says on its first page, more than once, that it is referring to things that will happen shortly, we must go to those ancient times (if we can) and dig out. We must accept that expressions like the great 'apostasia' might actually be highly exact to a certain time and emergence at that time, and it was. That is why the Thess statements are so direct, vital, urgent, like Mt 24, Mk 13, Lk 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 23. You can also see my book THE COVENANT WAR.

The 'apostasia' shows that there was a sincere hope that most of Israel would come around to its actual Messiah and preach his gospel, but that the apostles knew there would be a catastrophic departure. This mission of preaching was the endeavor, Paul says, of the apostles, in Acts 26. And he wanted everyone to be like him (not the chains.).