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The four horsemen of the apocalypse

The four horsemen of the apocalypse are described in Revelation 6:1-8.
  • First horseman: Rides a white horse and carries a bow and crown, symbolizing conquest. Some scholars interpret this rider as Christ or the Antichrist.
  • Second horseman: Rides a red horse and carries a great sword, symbolizing war and bloodshed.
  • Third horseman: Rides a black horse and carries a balance scale, symbolizing famine.
  • Fourth horseman: Rides a pale horse and is identified as Death, accompanied by Hades.

Who are these riders and what do they mean?
I read four horses, one rider. The four horsemen of the apocolypse is an assumed misnomer. It's better called four horses of the man of apocolypse.

Jhn 5:43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

2Th 2:2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


While the horses are described differently, the rider is only described once and named once. Riding the 1st whited horse, he comes to save the day, but only conquers. Riding on the 4th pale horse, his name is death.

1Pe 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a rea, Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

2Co 1:24Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.


And since that man of sin changes appearances as necessary, so there can be one horse he rides, that changes colors the way a leapord would change it's spots.

2Th 2:7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The rider and horse begin with such great promises, only to conclude in death for himself and all his foolishly loving followers. Such a promising beginning with such a pale ending.

It's always the same beginning and ending with all antichrists and false apostles coming as Christ in their own name and power, only to destroy them that believe and obey them as God Himself.

2Th 2:4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

One glory-hound rider changing his horses as needed, or changing the appearances of his same wonderful horse in the name of Christ.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

If they weren't so destructive to the sheep, we could write them all off as just useful idiots.

Afterall, how hard is it to know the difference another man with a mouth coming on earth, and the risen Lord of glory coming with resurrected body in the air? Even with all the great speeches, miracles, and lying wonders.

Dan 7:25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;
 
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The differnce between the words "sign" and "mark" must be distinguished or it can lose is spiritual unseen value(faith) We are informed that no sign was given other than the sign of Jonah . It was fulfilled during the three days and nights demonstrations.
A mark is a stamp, engraving..... A sign is not.
 
Well, thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Well sure, that is true.
But how do you relate that as far as the rider on the white horse?

Just a guess?
The rider on horse 1...the white horse....is imitating the rider on the white horse of Rev 19.
 
In many empires of the past, the empires after becoming Roman Catholic demanded all become RC and bow to the pope, when some did not, they were not allowed to buy and sell and eventually lost all their property and were even murdered.
This was not world wide.
 
Scripture I believe disagrees with your opinion.
I would say you misunderstand scripture.

Do you not want the rapture to be pre-trib?
The scripture I read says christians will be deliverd from the wrath of the tribulation.
 
But scripture teaches Jesus Christ is on the white horse.

Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and behold, a white horse, and the one who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. Revelation 6.

Christ is the conqueror.
Should we, the church, expect trials? Of course.

Remember also in scripture the color white is always associated with that which is holy and heavenly. Think of the white garments, white throne, white stone etc... So, I think we can be certain the rider on the "white horse" cannot be the devil or the antichrist.

You said eleswhere this rider has the wrong crown. But consider Revelation 14:14 which refers to Christ wearing a gold crown.
The white horse rider of Rev 20 and Rev 6 are different in many way. Just Jesus ride two white horses?
 
I would say you misunderstand scripture.

Do you not want the rapture to be pre-trib?
The scripture I read says christians will be deliverd from the wrath of the tribulation.
The rapture happens at Christ's second coming according to scripture.
 
If this is referring to the Jews then it would be to spiritual Jews, also known as the elect, or spiritual Israel.. This number 144,00 is also symbolic.

As far as my understanding anyway. :)
They are the believing Jews. In prophecy they are called “the remnant”
 
A mark is a stamp, engraving..... A sign is not.

Hi big differnce between a sign and a mark. The evidence is over whelming

Satan would have the word sign and mark as all one in the same in order to remove the spiritual unseen understanding and give dying mankind something to wonder wonder, wonder after .

Wondering is not believing it is doubting. limbo purgatory never coming to a end

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but

Not sign of the beast but a mark. It was God alone not seen good .

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

Today it would seem mankind struggle to know the differnce between a sign and wonder and and prophecy . .the mark get ready . . .God has spoken.

Genesis 4:15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

The mark as a outward sign

Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

Ruth 3: And it shall be, when he lieth down, that thou shalt mark the place where he shall lie, and thou shalt go in, and uncover his feet, and lay thee down; and he will tell thee what thou shalt do.

1 Samuel 1:12And it came to pass, as she continued praying before the Lord, that Eli marked her mouth.

1 Samuel 20:20 And I will shoot three arrows on the side thereof, as though I shot at a mark.

The mark of Christ. What he say comes to pass . Let there be and it was God alone good . Kill Cain and the same will come to you. . become a restless wander without hope.

No sign was given for mankind to seek after son to wonder after for the non redeemed (666)

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders
prohecy for the believer lying sign to wonder after the king

Sign and wonder seekers Like Nicodemus made Jesus into a circus seal work some magic perform a miracle then after we see we will believe for a half a scond

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:3They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Why seek after signs to wonder after what's the hope.
 
The rapture happens at Christ's second coming according to scripture.
Christ comes back twice.
The first time in the air the way He left...or so Acts 1 says.

The second time as per Rev 20 0n a white horse. The importand thing to remember is Jesus didn't leave on a white horse.

Jesus in the bible also says it will as the days of Noah...people will be giving in marriage...good times so to speak. At the end of the tribulation prior to Christ return it will not be good times for those on earth.

2 Thes 2 says....1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him,....gathered together is the rapture.
Chapter 2 goes on to say...The Geneva bible of 1587 says (as well as other early translations)...Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,.....the theme of the rapture is carried through and uses the word "departing" in this instance.



Just saying.
 
Same rider.
Different crown...you can check out the original greek.
First rider has ONE temporary crown made of plants....the second white horse rider has MANY royal crowns.

The second rider is not carrying a bow. I could point out several more differences but I think you can make the same comparism.

Oh, one more thing....in Rev 6 we read...."3And when the Lamb (Jesus) opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!”"

Did Jesus say "come" ...then jump on the white horse?

Now carbon you can believe what you want...but I just gave you several reasons why the first white horse rider isn't Jesus.
 
The second time as per Rev 20 0n a white horse. The importand thing to remember is Jesus didn't leave on a white horse.

I would offer. Same horse coming and going. Six of one a half a dozen of another = false dichotomy

The crown = eternal life . . everyone same reward.

3And when the Lamb (eternal invisible God ) opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature prophecy the word of the Father , “Come!”" the words of the Father siting on a white horse .
 
3And when the Lamb (eternal invisible God ) opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature prophecy the word of the Father , “Come!”" the words of the Father siting on a white horse .
Be extremely careful....18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

The Lamb is the resurrected and ascended Christ Jesus.
 
The four horsemen of the apocalypse are described in Revelation 6:1-8.
  • First horseman: Rides a white horse and carries a bow and crown, symbolizing conquest. Some scholars interpret this rider as Christ or the Antichrist.
  • Second horseman: Rides a red horse and carries a great sword, symbolizing war and bloodshed.
  • Third horseman: Rides a black horse and carries a balance scale, symbolizing famine.
  • Fourth horseman: Rides a pale horse and is identified as Death, accompanied by Hades.

Who are these riders and what do they mean?
The first horseman carries a bow with no quiver or arrows and a crown. It symbolizes conquest, however, it isn't presented as conquest through force, for there is a bow, but no arrows. The first horesman conquers through peace. Hence what is said about the second horseman makes more sense. The second horseman comes and strips peace from the Earth. Where did the peace come from?

"4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

I don't see the first horseman as Christ, though I haven't given it much thought. However, I do see it as preparation for the Antichrist, if not the Antichrist. Some believe this can be Donald Trump, who, against all the people saying he wants to blow up the planet, was basically conquering through peace his first time in. Yes, he used drone strikes a couple of times, but this is next to Obama, who received a nobel peace prize, and then went indiscrminately drone striking everyone.

For any not up on history, as it isn't needed for every day life, the Korean War never ended. North Korea never signed the armistice. Trump almost ended the Korean War.
 
The rider on horse 1...the white horse....is imitating the rider on the white horse of Rev 19.
I understand you believe in the rapture. Me too.

I believe the raptured saints go to heaven where God is seated on His throne.
Do you agree?

I also believe that Jesus and his raptured saints are to be the executors of all the judgments we read of in Revelation. Psa 149:5-9

In order for these judgements to come, there must be a period of time between the rapture and the judgments because there will be mortal believers on earth who go through the tribulation of the judgments. There must be a development of believers on Christ in Jerusalem. I believe they are the 144,000.

I also believe the raptured saints are symbolize by the 4 living creatures in heaven.

Are you with me?
 
The first horseman carries a bow with no quiver or arrows and a crown. It symbolizes conquest, however, it isn't presented as conquest through force, for there is a bow, but no arrows. The first horesman conquers through peace. Hence what is said about the second horseman makes more sense. The second horseman comes and strips peace from the Earth. Where did the peace come from?

"4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

I don't see the first horseman as Christ, though I haven't given it much thought. However, I do see it as preparation for the Antichrist, if not the Antichrist. Some believe this can be Donald Trump, who, against all the people saying he wants to blow up the planet, was basically conquering through peace his first time in. Yes, he used drone strikes a couple of times, but this is next to Obama, who received a nobel peace prize, and then went indiscrminately drone striking everyone.

For any not up on history, as it isn't needed for every day life, the Korean War never ended. North Korea never signed the armistice. Trump almost ended the Korean War.
It might be that the rider of the white horse who is a crowned king and warrior with his bow, conquers by FEAR. Peace through fear is another way of saying peace through strength.
I believe this rider king will be greatly feared. Even by his own people.
I believe he’s also the Antichrist.
 
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