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The False Doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation

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We can easily find the origin of this false idea of 7 year of tribulation that has been spread among Christians...

And where the error and deception came from

"The Origins of the Pretribulation Rapture Theory

The pretribulation rapture theory is a relatively recent development in Christian theology, with its roots in the 19th century. John Nelson Darby, a British evangelist and influential figure in the Plymouth Brethren movement, is often credited with popularizing this idea. Darby’s teachings, along with the widespread distribution of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 20th century, helped to promote the pretribulation rapture theory among Christians in the United States and beyond.

Biblical Evidence Against the Pretribulation Rapture

Although proponents of the pretribulation rapture theory claim that their beliefs are rooted in Scripture, a closer examination of the Bible reveals that there is no clear evidence to support this idea. In fact, several passages suggest that believers will face tribulation and difficulties before being gathered to Christ"

So if one looks, its not hard to see its source of this false doctrine, and its not the Bible.
This is idea brought in of 'seven years of tribulation' is one of the worst deceptions which has led to much confusion about the Second Coming of Christ, which is the deceivers purpose. This false doctrine has come out of strange origin and been spread as a 'new enlightenment' and many people tend to just repeat what they have heard, or pick up unscriptural beliefs from others with no support, or look for something that twists or distorts the truth, and this is what is this false doctrine of a 7 year tribulation. There is not one verse in the entire Bible says their a 7-year Tribulation. Some try to claim Daniel 9:24-27 as teaching this, but unless one comes to this passage already having a predisposed bias, they will not find it there. This false idea is not scriptural and no biblical commentator, no theologian, no church in Christendom had ever taught such a doctrine.

The doctrine basically did not exist before John Darby, and was promoted through the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 20th century and spread from there. But the idea or doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation is simply not mentioned in Daniel 9, and is clearly unscriptural. The idea of a seven year tribulation comes from a misinterpretation of Daniel chapter 9 which is a prophecy about the Messiah, not the antichrist or a seven year tribulation. Here is a great explanation by my buddy palehorse..'There are many theories out there in regards to the 70th Week of the Daniel 9 prophecy. The most prevalent one talks about a 7-year tribulation just prior to Christ's second coming. Many believers in the 7-year Tribulation don't know that this belief is rooted in the Daniel 9 prophecy. In fact, one of the most important verses used to support this idea is Dan 9:27, which we will look at along with the entire prophecy. Also, it is from Dan 9:27 that the belief in "The Antichrist" and the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple on the temple mount comes from. The series of events outlined in this theory is that 1) there will be a secret rapture that takes all true Christians away leaving others behind, 2) then a 7-year tribulation occurs where those who were not taken in the secret rapture will get a chance to "clean up their act" so that when Christ's public appearance happens they can be judged worthy, 3) during the course of the 7-year tribulation the Antichrist will appear, make a covenant with the Jewish nation, then break that covenant in the middle of the 7 years, then hell walk inside the Jewish temple and declare himself to be God. But is this theory biblically accurate?
 
First, lets read through the entire prophecy so that we get the whole idea first and then well break it down.

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

One thing that must be understood first is the a day for a year rule established in Eze 4:6. For every day that is mentioned in this and all other biblical prophecies they are equal to a prophetic year. There is virtually no debate about this point in Christian circles and well find that the rule holds true in this prophecy.

The Timeframe:
The angel Gabriel starts the prophecy by giving a block of time in verse 24, seventy weeks. Seventy weeks is equal to 490 days, or 490 prophetic years. That is our timeframe for this prophecy from beginning to end.

Verse 25 tells us when this timeframe begins, from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem. When did this occur? See Ezra 7; for this is the command where the rebuilding of Jerusalem was actually accomplished and that command was given by Artaxerxes, king of Persia; which occurred in 457 BC. There were two other kings that made similar commands to rebuild Jerusalem but those proved to not be fruitful.

This is the total 70-week block given by Gabriel in verses 25 & 27:
Block 1: 7 Weeks - (49 years) - Starts in 457 BC

Block 2: 62 Weeks - (434 years) - Starts in 408 BC

Block 3: 1 week - (7 years) - Starts in 27 AD

Lets look closely at the last week/ 7-year block (Block 3); for this is the period of time that many think will be the famous Seven-year Tribulation of the future:

3 ½ Years + 3 ½ Years = 7 years (one week)
o This block starts in 27 AD. What happened in this year? Christ was baptized, anointed, and started His public ministry.
o The "midst of the week" started in 31 AD (3 ½ years later). What happened in this year? Christ was killed on the cross. (New Covenant confirmed.)
o This block ends in 34 AD. What happened in this year? Stephen, the last disciple to the Jews, was stoned by the Sanhedrin and the Gospel went out to the Gentiles.

So we see that this breakdown perfectly follows the prophecy of Daniel 9 and we find that this prophecy was about the coming Messiah (Jesus Christ); history and later books of the Bible verify this.
 
Why do people want to put this last week of the 70 at the end times? There is no biblical reason to do so and it breaks the block of time Gabriel started the prophecy with. Let's ask some further important questions;
Is the antichrist mentioned anywhere in Daniel 9:24-27? No. The "he" mentioned in verse 27 is Christ, not Antichrist, for Christ is the focus of the whole prophecy. Also, we find that only Christ makes covenants in the Bible. Is there any mention of a rebuilding of the Jewish temple? No. Any mention of sacrifices being restarted? No. Any mention of a covenant being broken? No. In fact verse 27 says the opposite, that the covenant would be confirmed. So why do people believe this ridiculous theory that there will be a 7-year tribulation at the end of the world?

Here are 10 reasons why the 70th week of Daniel 9 was actually fulfilled by Christ about 2,000 years ago:
1. Verse 24 defines Seventy weeks as a single block of time.
2. The 70th week must come after the 69th week; else it cant really be called the 70th week.
3. It is illogical and unbiblical to move the last week of this prophecy to the end of the world.
4. The focus of the prophecy is on the Messiah, not the antichrist. Messiah and Christ means anointed one who was anointed during the last week of the prophecy? Jesus Christ!
5. Verse 27 says a covenant is confirmed in the midst of the week, not broken in the midst of the week. Who creates/confirms covenants in the Bible? Christ only! See Romans 15:8 to see that it was Jesus who confirmed the promises made unto the fathers, not antichrist.
6. Verse 27 says he shall confirm the covenant with many. Compare this to Matthew 26:28.
7. Verse 27 says midst of the week (3 ½ years) the sacrifices would cease. When Christ died the temple veil was rent from top to bottom and the Jewish sacrifices ceased. (see Matt 27:51) This was the mark that signified any further sacrifices were of no effect in the sight of God.
8. Verse 27 says he shall make it desolate. Compare this to Matt 23:38. Who left the temple desolate? Christ!
9. The first 3 ½ years of the 70th week Christ ministered only to the Jews the second 3 ½ years the disciples ministered to the Jews; thus the 70th week is finished at this point, 34 AD, not a future time.
10. The disciple Stephan was stoned to death by the Sanhedrin in 34 AD which caused the Gospel to go to the Gentiles.

Further, check out Christs words in Matthew 18:21. 70x7=490 which is the 490 years of the Daniel 9 prophecy!

The second Jewish temple (Herods temple) was destroyed in 70 AD when Jerusalem was ransacked by the Romans under Prince Titus (see Dan 9:26, you'll see a prince shall destroy = Prince Titus). Compare the desolation spoken of in Dan 9:27 to the desolate of Matt 23:38 & Matt 24:13-16. This is the very sign, the destruction of Jerusalem, that Christ was warning the disciples about (see Luke 21:20-22).

Conclusion:
There is no 7-year Tribulation at the end of the world. That teaching comes from a huge mistake resulting in reading much more into a verse than what is actually there. There will be tribulation at the end but it wont be 7 years long for it falls outside of the Daniel 9 prophecy.
 
So what are the ramifications, as many have picked this idea up thinking they will have long indication of the Second Coming, not comprehending how the devil can keep them in bondage as they will be deceived that they have time. This also means that there will be no second chance for salvation as many seem to be counting on. The false 7-year tribulation theory undermines the precept of living by faith for even a non-believer would suddenly change his ways after witnessing millions of people all over the world suddenly vanishing in one day.

Here is a good history of this false doctrine and the reasons behind it...
https://secretsunsealed.org/content/PDF_downloads/futurismsincrediblejourney.pdf

And many others are clear on the truth on this...
"Here’s the 70th week of Daniel, as fulfilled by Jesus Christ from 27-34 A.D.:

It starts with Jesus beginning His ministry of confirming the Abrahamic covenant.
For 3.5 years, Jesus and His disciples ministered to the House of Israel.
Midway, Jesus was crucified for our sins, ending the need for Jewish temple sacrifices.
For 3.5 years, Jesus disciples ministered to the House of Judah. Some Jews accepted Jesus as their Messiah, but most rejected Him and persecuted His disciples.
At the end of the 7 years, Stephen was stoned to death by the Jewish leaders, finalizing their rejection of Jesus New Covenant.
..."Daniel 70th Week Jesus Christ vs. Antichrist
 
We can easily find the origin of this false idea of 7 year of tribulation that has been spread among Christians...

And where the error and deception came from

"The Origins of the Pretribulation Rapture Theory

The pretribulation rapture theory is a relatively recent development in Christian theology, with its roots in the 19th century. John Nelson Darby, a British evangelist and influential figure in the Plymouth Brethren movement, is often credited with popularizing this idea. Darby’s teachings, along with the widespread distribution of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 20th century, helped to promote the pretribulation rapture theory among Christians in the United States and beyond.

Biblical Evidence Against the Pretribulation Rapture

Although proponents of the pretribulation rapture theory claim that their beliefs are rooted in Scripture, a closer examination of the Bible reveals that there is no clear evidence to support this idea. In fact, several passages suggest that believers will face tribulation and difficulties before being gathered to Christ"

So if one looks, its not hard to see its source of this false doctrine, and its not the Bible.
This is idea brought in of 'seven years of tribulation' is one of the worst deceptions which has led to much confusion about the Second Coming of Christ, which is the deceivers purpose. This false doctrine has come out of strange origin and been spread as a 'new enlightenment' and many people tend to just repeat what they have heard, or pick up unscriptural beliefs from others with no support, or look for something that twists or distorts the truth, and this is what is this false doctrine of a 7 year tribulation. There is not one verse in the entire Bible says their a 7-year Tribulation. Some try to claim Daniel 9:24-27 as teaching this, but unless one comes to this passage already having a predisposed bias, they will not find it there. This false idea is not scriptural and no biblical commentator, no theologian, no church in Christendom had ever taught such a doctrine.

The doctrine basically did not exist before John Darby, and was promoted through the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 20th century and spread from there. But the idea or doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation is simply not mentioned in Daniel 9, and is clearly unscriptural. The idea of a seven year tribulation comes from a misinterpretation of Daniel chapter 9 which is a prophecy about the Messiah, not the antichrist or a seven year tribulation. Here is a great explanation by my buddy palehorse..'There are many theories out there in regards to the 70th Week of the Daniel 9 prophecy. The most prevalent one talks about a 7-year tribulation just prior to Christ's second coming. Many believers in the 7-year Tribulation don't know that this belief is rooted in the Daniel 9 prophecy. In fact, one of the most important verses used to support this idea is Dan 9:27, which we will look at along with the entire prophecy. Also, it is from Dan 9:27 that the belief in "The Antichrist" and the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple on the temple mount comes from. The series of events outlined in this theory is that 1) there will be a secret rapture that takes all true Christians away leaving others behind, 2) then a 7-year tribulation occurs where those who were not taken in the secret rapture will get a chance to "clean up their act" so that when Christ's public appearance happens they can be judged worthy, 3) during the course of the 7-year tribulation the Antichrist will appear, make a covenant with the Jewish nation, then break that covenant in the middle of the 7 years, then hell walk inside the Jewish temple and declare himself to be God. But is this theory biblically accurate?


The "Thess-chatology" material is that there is a removal of believers, but it's before the world-wide wrath of God; the wrath against Israel in that generation is a different matter. Yes, there could be harsh times for believers before that. And no, Dan 9 is not about that scenario sketched above.

What happens is that the antecedent gets misplaced as people read through. Messiah, not an anti-Messiah, solidified the New Covenant. The rebellious guy from 8:13+ is the one who ruins the nation (the phrase is originally 'the rebellion that desolates.'). Dan 9 is an amazing compression of NT history from crucifixion to the destructive Jewish revolt.
 
The pretribulation rapture theory is a relatively recent development in Christian theology,
Because the "pretribulation rapture theory is a relatively recent development in Christian theology" as you claim it is....doesn't make it false.
 
First, lets read through the entire prophecy so that we get the whole idea first and then well break it down.

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

One thing that must be understood first is the a day for a year rule established in Eze 4:6. For every day that is mentioned in this and all other biblical prophecies they are equal to a prophetic year. There is virtually no debate about this point in Christian circles and well find that the rule holds true in this prophecy.

The Timeframe:
The angel Gabriel starts the prophecy by giving a block of time in verse 24, seventy weeks. Seventy weeks is equal to 490 days, or 490 prophetic years. That is our timeframe for this prophecy from beginning to end.

Verse 25 tells us when this timeframe begins, from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem. When did this occur? See Ezra 7; for this is the command where the rebuilding of Jerusalem was actually accomplished and that command was given by Artaxerxes, king of Persia; which occurred in 457 BC. There were two other kings that made similar commands to rebuild Jerusalem but those proved to not be fruitful.

This is the total 70-week block given by Gabriel in verses 25 & 27:
Block 1: 7 Weeks - (49 years) - Starts in 457 BC

Block 2: 62 Weeks - (434 years) - Starts in 408 BC

Block 3: 1 week - (7 years) - Starts in 27 AD

Lets look closely at the last week/ 7-year block (Block 3); for this is the period of time that many think will be the famous Seven-year Tribulation of the future:

3 ½ Years + 3 ½ Years = 7 years (one week)
o This block starts in 27 AD. What happened in this year? Christ was baptized, anointed, and started His public ministry.
o The "midst of the week" started in 31 AD (3 ½ years later). What happened in this year? Christ was killed on the cross. (New Covenant confirmed.)
o This block ends in 34 AD. What happened in this year? Stephen, the last disciple to the Jews, was stoned by the Sanhedrin and the Gospel went out to the Gentiles.

So we see that this breakdown perfectly follows the prophecy of Daniel 9 and we find that this prophecy was about the coming Messiah (Jesus Christ); history and later books of the Bible verify this.
I've seen this date math presented several times in several similar ways...Even Harold Camping had a version of it. What makes your rendition of it correct?
 
I've seen this date math presented several times in several similar ways...Even Harold Camping had a version of it. What makes your rendition of it correct?

Dan 9 is NT history in miniature; Messiah succeeds but Israel is tragically ruined. The problem is jumping antecedents in v27. It starts about Christ and then is about the desolator of ch 8, the evil person in the 4th world empire era.
 
Is there any mention of a rebuilding of the Jewish temple? No. Any mention of sacrifices being restarted?
That answer is no....BUT....the scripture does present a temple in the end times. From this understanding one can easily conclude that in the end times there will be a temple for the anti-Christ to enter and declare himself as God.

2 Thes 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Just for the record..a freebie....early transcripts such as the Geneva Bible of 1587 translated verse 3 in the following manner.

2 Thes 2:3 Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,

The Greek word 646. apostasia derives its meaning from 868. aphistémi....as well as 575. apo and 2476. histémi. The Geneva translators saw it as "departing".
From what I read the Roman Catholic Church started using the word "rebellion" or "falling away" as a way to make the Protestant reformation appear to be and act of apostasy...and it is the apostate Protestants that the bible was referring to.

Many see this departing as the "rapture" mentioned in 1 Thes 4:17 where "caught up" is used...or when the Christians depart.

This is hinted at in 1 Thes 1:10 where Paul tells them ...await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.
 
Dan 9 is NT history in miniature; Messiah succeeds but Israel is tragically ruined. The problem is jumping antecedents in v27. It starts about Christ and then is about the desolator of ch 8, the evil person in the 4th world empire era.
if you say so and want to believe that.....have at it. An evil person isn't a world empire.

Once again...what Revelation speaks of hasn't happened as of yet.
 
if you say so and want to believe that.....have at it. An evil person isn't a world empire.

Once again...what Revelation speaks of hasn't happened as of yet.

The reason the evil person of 8:13+ is not a world empire is because Dan 9 is about Israel 490 years out. What's the puzzle of that?
 
The reason the evil person of 8:13+ is not a world empire is because Dan 9 is about Israel 490 years out. What's the puzzle of that?
My bad, I read your post wrong...I thought you said is the rather than in the.
 
My bad, I read your post wrong...I thought you said is the rather than in the.

OK...can't quite follow, no matter. Anyway, I'm sure you love Christ as savior, regardless of these things.
 
That answer is no....BUT....the scripture does present a temple in the end times. From this understanding one can easily conclude that in the end times there will be a temple for the anti-Christ to enter and declare himself as God.

2 Thes 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Just for the record..a freebie....early transcripts such as the Geneva Bible of 1587 translated verse 3 in the following manner.

2 Thes 2:3 Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,

The Greek word 646. apostasia derives its meaning from 868. aphistémi....as well as 575. apo and 2476. histémi. The Geneva translators saw it as "departing".
From what I read the Roman Catholic Church started using the word "rebellion" or "falling away" as a way to make the Protestant reformation appear to be and act of apostasy...and it is the apostate Protestants that the bible was referring to.

Many see this departing as the "rapture" mentioned in 1 Thes 4:17 where "caught up" is used...or when the Christians depart.

This is hinted at in 1 Thes 1:10 where Paul tells them ...await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.


That temple in Thess is the current one in Jerusalem; we should use the normal sense unless there is a clear reason not to. The evil person is the one in Dan 8 and 9.

The falling away is the fact that that generation of Israel failed so badly when asked to be missionaries of the Gospel that they ruined their country. The evil person of Dan 8-9 leads the apostasia.
 
OK...can't quite follow, no matter. Anyway, I'm sure you love Christ as savior, regardless of these things.
Luke 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Things are coming to pass. CBDC...AI...the list is long.
 
Luke 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Things are coming to pass. CBDC...AI...the list is long.


Everything mentioned in Lk 21 was in that generation, sometimes even using Roman warfare terms, like ch 19. There is actually a ton in Luke about it. Know history first, then do theology.

There are plenty of reasons to resist totalitarianism, of course. Don't give up.

But Lk 23:28 is a biological time-stamp that locks even quoting Hos 10 about 'wishing the mountains would cover us.'
 
Because the "pretribulation rapture theory is a relatively recent development in Christian theology" as you claim it is....doesn't make it false.
It makes it false bc Dan 9 is shredded beyond recognition.
 
I've seen this date math presented several times in several similar ways...Even Harold Camping had a version of it. What makes your rendition of it correct?

That the 490 years is intact. There is not a hint of splitting it and the break at 7 weeks means only that the destructive events are way overdue.
 
That answer is no....BUT....the scripture does present a temple in the end times. From this understanding one can easily conclude that in the end times there will be a temple for the anti-Christ to enter and declare himself as God.

2 Thes 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Just for the record..a freebie....early transcripts such as the Geneva Bible of 1587 translated verse 3 in the following manner.

2 Thes 2:3 Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition,

The Greek word 646. apostasia derives its meaning from 868. aphistémi....as well as 575. apo and 2476. histémi. The Geneva translators saw it as "departing".
From what I read the Roman Catholic Church started using the word "rebellion" or "falling away" as a way to make the Protestant reformation appear to be and act of apostasy...and it is the apostate Protestants that the bible was referring to.

Many see this departing as the "rapture" mentioned in 1 Thes 4:17 where "caught up" is used...or when the Christians depart.

This is hinted at in 1 Thes 1:10 where Paul tells them ...await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.

Once again a natural reading of Thess material is that he was answering doubts or anxieties right then; not “answers” X000 years in the future for 1st cent people. That’s just silly.

For most of that generation, the final day of judgement was expected right after the destruction of Israel, Mt 24:29. We must alter this exactly as the NT does: 2P3 answers why there was a delay in the worldwide. No future segment of events in our times is even hinted.
 
There are plenty of practical reasons to resist dictatorship and the WEF!!! We don’t have to break the NT history to do that.
 
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