The Biblical Meaning of "Son of God"

[Eleanor]

I think its very creative speculation to state He had 2 spirits that were His in that body. He only stated one on the cross. "Father into your hands I commit "My" spirit" I would reason a divine spirit could ascend on their own.

His human body died and his human spirit went to the Father.

His divine Spirit did not die and is the Spirit of the Father

There is nothing in the NT to state He had 2 spirits of His own.

That is the metaphysics of nature, of which he had two, divine nature and human nature.

I don't see fact but wild speculation.
I know of no human who resides in Deity within the body. We know the Fathers Deity was living in Him but the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father.

The Father and the Son are the one God.

The Son of Man was the Son of God from His birth.

He was the Son of God from his conception.

Perhaps you mean the Human Son has a beginning but the Son who was from the beginning doesn't. However, He really is the very same person though not 2.
A body was prepared for "me".
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me.
Perhaps. I was aware of the belief Jesus was stated to have the spirit of a man as in fully human.

Jesus was competely both God who is divine Spirit, and man who is human body and human spirit.

You are the first person to state His original spirit was in that body as well. Again, He stated spirit, not spirits on the cross. Is there some creed that states such? There certainly is nothing in the NT that suggests or teaches such.

It was his human spirit that departed from his deceased human body.
His divine spirit was not limited by physical embodiment.

There is only Deity of the First and Last no matter how many persons you name Him.
Again, the person of the Son could not proceed from the Father apart from the Fathers will. If the Son appears by the act of the Father than He is begotten. This doesn't explain no beginning but just the opposite.
We know the Father has not received from any other being as in unbegotten.
The term eternally begotten doesn't appear to explain how the Son can be stated from another as a Son but has no beginning. "Mystery"
How do you qualify from without a starting point? "Mystery"

Jesus had two natures, God and man--divine nature and human nature. . .one person with two natures.
Trinity is one God in three persons.
The man Jesus had a starting point, in the womb of Mary; the God Jesus always was the Son of God and had no beginning.
The eternal God the Son enfleshed himself in the temporal man Jesus of Nazareth

True God FROM True God

Jesus, God the Son, was true God from the Father, true God.

 

[Paul]

His human body died and his human spirit went to the Father.

His divine Spirit did not die and is the Spirit of the Father

That is the metaphysics of nature, of which he had two, divine nature and human nature.

The Father and the Son are the one God.

He was the Son of God from his conception.

Jesus was competely both God who is divine Spirit, and man who is human body and human spirit.

It was his human spirit that departed from his deceased human body.
His divine spirit was not limited by physical embodiment.

Jesus had two natures, God and man--divine nature and human nature. . .one person with two natures.
Trinity is one God in three persons.
The man Jesus had a starting point, in the womb of Mary; the God Jesus always was the Son of God and had no beginning.
The eternal God the Son enfleshed himself in the temporal man Jesus of Nazareth

Jesus, God the Son, was true God from the Father, true God.

So, by giving Jesus two spirits, a human spirit, and calling the Fathers Spirit His spirit you hit all the bases.

So, Jesus exists in two forms in heaven. His human spirit ascended to the Father and His divine nature is actually the Fathers.??

Again Jesus is the very same person that descended and ascended to where He was before. The Father is not the Son.

You=>His human body died and his human spirit went to the Father.

You=>His divine Spirit did not die and is the Spirit of the Father

What made you believe with certainty that the Father has no beginning rather than He's unbegotten?
No God, "was formed" before me.

Two versions found in the Greek manuscripts who existed in the Fathers presence and appeared in flesh as the only eyewitness of the Father. The only begotten Son or the only begotten God.

John 1:18 Interlinear: God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.

This reads from the will of another at a point in time: Col 1:19 A creation of God the Father alone.

The only oneness Jesus taught is the Father in Him and He in the Father. So which version is in heaven the one with all the fullness of the Deity dwelling in Him bodily or His divine nature is the Spirit of the Father?

And the only thing we read is He committed the spirit He calls His own into the Fathers hands. Nothing about two spirits or the nature of His spirit.
"Father into your hands I commit MY spirit"

 

[Eleanor]

So, by giving Jesus two spirits, a human spirit, and calling the Fathers Spirit His spirit you hit all the bases.
So, Jesus exists in two forms in heaven. His human spirit ascended to the Father and His divine nature is actually the Fathers.??
Again Jesus is the very same person that descended and ascended to where He was before. The Father is not the Son.
You=>His human body died and his human spirit went to the Father.
You=>His divine Spirit did not die and is the Spirit of the Father
What made you believe with certainty that the Father has no beginning rather than He's unbegotten?
No God, "was formed" before me.

Eternal is without beginning and without end.

Two versions found in the Greek manuscripts who existed in the Fathers presence and appeared in flesh as the only eyewitness of the Father. The only begotten Son or the only begotten God.

John 1:18 Interlinear: God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.

This reads from the will of another at a point in time: Col 1:19 A creation of God the Father alone.
The only oneness Jesus taught is the Father in Him and He in the Father. So which version is in heaven the one with all the fullness of the Deity dwelling in Him bodily or His divine nature is the Spirit of the Father?
And the only thing we read is He committed the spirit He calls His own into the Fathers hands.
Nothing about two spirits or the nature of His spirit. "Father into your hands I commit MY spirit"

LIkewise, nothing about "Trinity" or "sovereign" anywhere in Scripture.

It was the man Jesus who was dying and who committed his immortal human spirit.

Neither the eternal divine Spirit (God) nor the immortal human spirit of Jesus died.

 

[Paul]

Eternal is without beginning and without end.

Eternal is existing forever through the passage of time. Note: I not stating the Father has a beginning I just don't know with certainty one way or the other. His usage of no God "was formed" before Him in speaking of a God such as Himself implies such a beginning. What I know with certainty from the NT is that if He has a beginning it couldn't be by any other being. As in unbegotten

LIkewise, nothing about "Trinity" or "sovereign" anywhere in Scripture.

Theology to me is considering the truth as given from above as in the NT not working backwards from the doctrines of man with assumptions to make the NT fit the doctrine.
God was the Logos. - A honest reading to me is the Logos has the Fathers nature. How that is so needs to be considered as well since it is not given in John. How is He a Son must be considered as well. How He has a God and Father must be considered. Whose Deity dwells IN Him. The Fathers or His own or both. Did His unique own Spirit descend into that body and ascend to where He has before? What was the nature of His spirit that dwells with the fullness of the Deity in Him?
God is our Father. Jesus is not our Father but He is our Lord.

God made the creation through Him. Does that suggest the Deity in the Son that created was the Fathers? Just as the Deity in Him that spoke to us in these last days was the Fathers. That the oneness that Jesus taught has always been so. The Father in Him and He in the Father.
He is in fact the Firstborn of all creation and the beginning of the creation of God just as He is the beginning of the resurrection and the Firstborn from the dead? That in Him its pleased the Father that all the fullness of His Deity should dwell so that the Son is all that the Father is. (God in that context). And the Father reconciled all things to "Himself" through His Sons blood on the cross.

This is what I see.
Jesus is Gods firstborn and has always been the Son. (His spirit-not deity) The fullness, (Fathers Deity), was gifted not formed. In that unity in Deity the Son is the radiance of the Fathers glory and the very imprint of the Fathers being (God in that context)
The Son who was, His spirit, was in the body prepared for Him and He entrusted His spirit into the Fathers hands and ascended to where He was before.

Is Jesus God?
He never dies
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son

The Father is the only true unbegotten God. Jesus is the only begotten God and they are one in the Fathers Deity. The Father has always been Jesus's God and Father and Jesus has always been His Firstborn Son.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

I didn't read this: Now this is eternal life: that they know us the only true God.

I'm not leading a rebellion so I'm holding to mystery. (smile)

It was the man Jesus who was dying and who committed his immortal human spirit.

The spirit He called His own. Nothing was stated about the nature of that spirit.

Neither the eternal divine Spirit (God) nor the immortal human spirit of Jesus died.

I agree Jesus never dies. He lives by the Father just as we live by Him.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

Eternal is without beginning and without end.

 

[Eleanor]

Eternal is existing forever through the passage of time. Note: I not stating the Father has a beginning I just don't know with certainty one way or the other. His usage of no God "was formed" before Him in speaking of a God such as Himself implies such a beginning. What I know with certainty from the NT is that if He has a beginning it couldn't be by any other being. As in unbegotten
Theology to me is considering the truth as given from above as in the NT not working backwards from the doctrines of man with assumptions to make the NT fit the doctrine.
God was the Logos. - A honest reading to me is the Logos has the Fathers nature. How that is so needs to be considered as well since it is not given in John. How is He a Son must be considered as well. How He has a God and Father must be considered. Whose Deity dwells IN Him. The Fathers or His own or both. Did His unique own Spirit descend into that body and ascend to where He has before? What was the nature of His spirit that dwells with the fullness of the Deity in Him?
God is our Father. Jesus is not our Father but He is our Lord.
God made the creation through Him. Does that suggest the Deity in the Son that created was the Fathers? Just as the Deity in Him that spoke to us in these last days was the Fathers. That the oneness that Jesus taught has always been so. The Father in Him and He in the Father.
He is in fact the Firstborn of all creation and the beginning of the creation of God just as He is the beginning of the resurrection and the Firstborn from the dead? That in Him its pleased the Father that all the fullness of His Deity should dwell so that the Son is all that the Father is. (God in that context). And the Father reconciled all things to "Himself" through His Sons blood on the cross.
This is what I see.
Jesus is Gods firstborn and has always been the Son. (His spirit-not deity) The fullness, (Fathers Deity), was gifted not formed. In that unity in Deity the Son is the radiance of the Fathers glory and the very imprint of the Fathers being (God in that context)
The Son who was, His spirit, was in the body prepared for Him and He entrusted His spirit into the Fathers hands and ascended to where He was before.
Is Jesus God?
He never dies
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son
The Father is the only true unbegotten God. Jesus is the only begotten God and they are one in the Fathers Deity. The Father has always been Jesus's God and Father and Jesus has always been His Firstborn Son.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
I didn't read this: Now this is eternal life: that they know us the only true God.
I'm not leading a rebellion so I'm holding to mystery. (smile)
The spirit He called His own. Nothing was stated about the nature of that spirit.

Again. . .likewise, nothing is stated as "Trinity" or "sovereign."

I agree Jesus never dies.

The body of Jesus of Nazareth did die--for death was necessary for our atonement, was buried, rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.

 

[Paul]

Again. . .likewise, nothing is stated as "Trinity" or "sovereign."

I agree nothing is stated about any trinity. I'm not sure what you mean about Sovereign. What context?
I not leading a rebellion and there is the doctrine of the trinity. It's very mysterious.

The body of Jesus of Nazareth did die--for death was necessary for our atonement, was buried, rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.

Put to death in the flesh made alive in the spirit -The one Jesus calls His own.
Yes, it was a bodily resurrection.

 

[Eleanor]

I agree nothing is stated about any trinity. I'm not sure what you mean about Sovereign. What context?

Simply the word "sovereign" in regard to God, like the word "Trinity" in regard to God, neither of which words are used,
as no words are used regarding the nature of the man Jesus of Nazareth as human (which necessarily follows if Jesus is human/man).

I not leading a rebellion and there is the doctrine of the trinity. It's very mysterious.

Put to death in the flesh made alive in the spirit -The one Jesus calls His own.
Yes, it was a bodily resurrection.

 

[Paul]

Simply the word "sovereign" in regard to God, like the word "Trinity" in regard to God, neither of which words are used.

You mean the God who sits on a throne in heaven? The one Jesus sat down on?
The Son of Man was given Sovereign authority. Ref Daniel 7

Thats a far cry from a Jesus who has 2 spirits.

 

[Eleanor]

You mean the God who sits on a throne in heaven? The one Jesus sat down on?
The Son of Man was given Sovereign authority. Ref Daniel 7

Thats a far cry from a Jesus who has 2 spirits.

Yes, the sovereign Jesus of Nazareth, with both the divine nature of God and the human nature of man.

Without both natures, he would not be both God and man in one person, Jesus of Nazareth, the human and the divine Son of God.

 

[Paul]

Yes, the sovereign Jesus of Nazareth, with both the divine nature of God and the human nature of man.

Without both natures, he would not be both God and man.

Ok Eleanor.

 

[Eleanor]

Ok Eleanor.

And without a human spirit he would not be a human person, just as without a divine Spirit he would not be a divine person, the Son of God.

Jesus was two natures and two spirits, human and divine, in one person.

The nature that died; i.e., his human nature, is the one he committed to God (the other nature was God and did not die).

 

[Eleanor]

It was the human spirit (of the human nature which died) which he committed to God.

 

[Paul]

And without a human spirit he would not be a human person, just as without a divine Spirit he would not be a divine person, the Son of God.

Jesus was two natures and two spirits, human and divine, in one person.

The nature that died; i.e., his human nature, is the one he committed to God (the other nature was God and did not die).

Your assumption is the spirit of the Firstborn is Deity rather than the Deity living IN Him is the Spirit of the Father always.

The Son who was, His spirit, just as He stated on the cross, was in that body. He descended and ascended to where He was before.
A body was prepared for Him.

Apart from the Fathers Deity Jesus could not have performed the Fathers works. The Fathers works He performed testify to this truth: That the Father is in Him and they are one.

In Him not Him. He is the image of the invisible God not the invisible God.
For in Him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily.

Colossians 1:19 - Bible Gateway (from the will of another) A other who defined His being.

Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.

 

[Eleanor]

Your assumption is the spirit of the Firstborn is Deity rather than the Deity living IN Him is the Spirit of the Father always.
The Son who was, His spirit, just as He stated on the cross, was in that body. He descended and ascended to where He was before.
A body was prepared for Him.
Apart from the Fathers Deity Jesus could not have performed the Fathers works. The Fathers works He performed testify to this truth: That the Father is in Him and they are one.
In Him not Him. He is the image of the invisible God not the invisible God.
For in Him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily.

Colossians 1:19 - Bible Gateway (from the will of another) A other who defined His being.
Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.

God is one Being in three persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
God is Father, God is Son and God is Holy Spirit, all one Being, one name (not "names"). Mt 28:19

 

[Paul]

God is one Being in three persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
God is Father, God is Son and God is Holy Spirit, all one Being.

Ok Eleanor

 

[Arial]

Ok Eleanor

Does Son of God denote the deity of Christ as per the OP?

 

[Paul]

Does Son of God denote the deity of Christ as per the OP?

I didn't read that in the title.
It doesn't denote Him having two spirits. Your free to believe that. I don't.
The Deity in the Son of Man was the living Father as I read.
I didn't read He had a human spirit.
I read He stated into your hands I commit "My" spirit.

I don't care to debate the subject any further.

 

[Arial]

I didn't read that in the title.
It doesn't denote Him having two spirits. Your free to believe that. I don't.
The Deity in the Son of Man was the living Father as I read.
I didn't read He had a human spirit.
I read He stated into your hands I commit "My" spirit.

I don't care to debate the subject any further.

An OP is more than its title. They should be read before they are responded to, that way they are more likely to at least begin on topic. It isn't about His spirit. So there is no need to debate that any further.

We can debate this by answering the question that was asked. Does, Son of God denote Christ's deity according to "the content" of the OP?

 

[Paul]

An OP is more than its title. They should be read before they are responded to, that way they are more likely to at least begin on topic. It isn't about His spirit. So there is no need to debate that any further.

We can debate this by answering the question that was asked. Does, Son of God denote Christ's deity according to "the content" of the OP?

I believe the usage in the NT is that God was the Father of Jesus of Nazareth that is Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit. The Son of God not Joseph.
A human begets a human and so forth so those who opposed Jesus took the meaning as you imply that He was Deity as they took it to mean Deity begets Deity.

The nature of the Son who was cannot be gleamed from His testimony that He is Gods Son. The Fathers works He performs testifies that the Deity of the Father is in Him and they are one. The Father is not the Son.

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’ ;If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

 

[Eleanor]

I believe the usage in the NT is that God was the Father of Jesus of Nazareth that is Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit. The Son of God not Joseph.
A human begets a human and so forth so those who opposed Jesus took the meaning as you imply that He was Deity as they took it to mean Deity begets Deity.

The nature of the Son who was cannot be gleamed from His testimony that He is Gods Son.

He who hears you hears me. (Lk 10:16)

The NT apostles identify Jesus as the YHWH of the OT.

1) Mt 3:3 (Isa 40:3) - Isaiah prophecies a voice of one calling in the desert, "Prepare the way for YHWH," which was John the Baptist (Mk, Lk).
John prepared the way for Jesus (Mk 1:-8, Lk 3:16, Jn 1:29-34). . .making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 40:3.

2) Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Joel prophesies that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved," which Paul quotes and applies to Jesus. . .
making Jesus the YHWH of Joel 2:32.

3) Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Moses said, "Rejoice, O nations, with his people, and let all the angels worship him (YHWH), for he will avenge the blood of his servants (Septuagint translation), which Hebrews quotes and applies to Jesus. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Dt 32:43.

4) Eph 4:8-9 (Ps 68:18) - The psalmist states, "When you ascended on high. . .that you, O YHWH, might dwell there," which Paul applies to the ascended Christ. . .making Christ the YHWH of Ps 68:18

5) Jn 19:37 (Zec 12:10) - Zechariah prophesies that they will look on YHWH (12:1-2), the one they have pierced, which John applies to Jesus. . . making Jesus the YHWH of Zec 12:1-2, 10.

6) Lk 4:18-21 (Isa 61:1, 8) - Isaiah's prophecy identifies YHWH of vv. 7-8 with the Messiah of v. 1, which Jesus applies to himself. . .
making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 61:1, 7-8.

7) Rev 1:12-18 (Isa 44:6, 48:12) - In Rev 1:12-18, Jesus (1:18, 2:8) identifies himself as the First and the Last, which is YHWH of Isa 44:6, 48:12. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 44:6, 48:12.

8) In Rev 21:6, 22:12-13, Jesus (1:18, 2:8) is the Alpha and Omega who is the Lord God of Rev 1:8.

9) In Rev 20:11-13 w/ Jn 5:22, 27, 9:39, the one on the throne is Jesus, who in Rev 21:7 is God. . .making Jesus the God of Rev 21:7.

10) Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10 (Ge 1:1, Isa 44:24, Jer 10:16) - Isa 44:24 says YHWH created alone, while Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10 say Jesus brought all things into being, created all things including angels and by his power holds them in existence, and made the universe. . .so according to John, Paul and Hebrews, Jesus is the Elohim Creator YHWH of Ge, Isa and Jer.

To hear the apostles is to hear Jesus (Lk 10:16, and they say that Jesus is God, the YHWH of the OT.