The Biblical Meaning of "Son of God"

[Eleanor]

I think its very creative speculation to state He had 2 spirits that were His in that body. He only stated one on the cross. "Father into your hands I commit "My" spirit" I would reason a divine spirit could ascend on their own.

His human body died and his human spirit went to the Father.

His divine Spirit did not die and is the Spirit of the Father

There is nothing in the NT to state He had 2 spirits of His own.

That is the metaphysics of nature, of which he had two, divine nature and human nature.

I don't see fact but wild speculation.
I know of no human who resides in Deity within the body. We know the Fathers Deity was living in Him but the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father.

The Father and the Son are the one God.

The Son of Man was the Son of God from His birth.

He was the Son of God from his conception.

Perhaps you mean the Human Son has a beginning but the Son who was from the beginning doesn't. However, He really is the very same person though not 2.
A body was prepared for "me".
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me.
Perhaps. I was aware of the belief Jesus was stated to have the spirit of a man as in fully human.

Jesus was competely both God who is divine Spirit, and man who is human body and human spirit.

You are the first person to state His original spirit was in that body as well. Again, He stated spirit, not spirits on the cross. Is there some creed that states such? There certainly is nothing in the NT that suggests or teaches such.

It was his human spirit that departed from his deceased human body.
His divine spirit was not limited by physical embodiment.

There is only Deity of the First and Last no matter how many persons you name Him.
Again, the person of the Son could not proceed from the Father apart from the Fathers will. If the Son appears by the act of the Father than He is begotten. This doesn't explain no beginning but just the opposite.
We know the Father has not received from any other being as in unbegotten.
The term eternally begotten doesn't appear to explain how the Son can be stated from another as a Son but has no beginning. "Mystery"
How do you qualify from without a starting point? "Mystery"

Jesus had two natures, God and man--divine nature and human nature. . .one person with two natures.
Trinity is one God in three persons.
The man Jesus had a starting point, in the womb of Mary; the God Jesus always was the Son of God and had no beginning.
The eternal God the Son enfleshed himself in the temporal man Jesus of Nazareth

True God FROM True God

Jesus, God the Son, was true God from the Father, true God.

 

[Paul]

His human body died and his human spirit went to the Father.

His divine Spirit did not die and is the Spirit of the Father

That is the metaphysics of nature, of which he had two, divine nature and human nature.

The Father and the Son are the one God.

He was the Son of God from his conception.

Jesus was competely both God who is divine Spirit, and man who is human body and human spirit.

It was his human spirit that departed from his deceased human body.
His divine spirit was not limited by physical embodiment.

Jesus had two natures, God and man--divine nature and human nature. . .one person with two natures.
Trinity is one God in three persons.
The man Jesus had a starting point, in the womb of Mary; the God Jesus always was the Son of God and had no beginning.
The eternal God the Son enfleshed himself in the temporal man Jesus of Nazareth

Jesus, God the Son, was true God from the Father, true God.

So, by giving Jesus two spirits, a human spirit, and calling the Fathers Spirit His spirit you hit all the bases.

So, Jesus exists in two forms in heaven. His human spirit ascended to the Father and His divine nature is actually the Fathers.??

Again Jesus is the very same person that descended and ascended to where He was before. The Father is not the Son.

You=>His human body died and his human spirit went to the Father.

You=>His divine Spirit did not die and is the Spirit of the Father

What made you believe with certainty that the Father has no beginning rather than He's unbegotten?
No God, "was formed" before me.

Two versions found in the Greek manuscripts who existed in the Fathers presence and appeared in flesh as the only eyewitness of the Father. The only begotten Son or the only begotten God.

John 1:18 Interlinear: God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.

This reads from the will of another at a point in time: Col 1:19 A creation of God the Father alone.

The only oneness Jesus taught is the Father in Him and He in the Father. So which version is in heaven the one with all the fullness of the Deity dwelling in Him bodily or His divine nature is the Spirit of the Father?

And the only thing we read is He committed the spirit He calls His own into the Fathers hands. Nothing about two spirits or the nature of His spirit.
"Father into your hands I commit MY spirit"

 

[Eleanor]

So, by giving Jesus two spirits, a human spirit, and calling the Fathers Spirit His spirit you hit all the bases.
So, Jesus exists in two forms in heaven. His human spirit ascended to the Father and His divine nature is actually the Fathers.??
Again Jesus is the very same person that descended and ascended to where He was before. The Father is not the Son.
You=>His human body died and his human spirit went to the Father.
You=>His divine Spirit did not die and is the Spirit of the Father
What made you believe with certainty that the Father has no beginning rather than He's unbegotten?
No God, "was formed" before me.

Eternal is without beginning and without end.

Two versions found in the Greek manuscripts who existed in the Fathers presence and appeared in flesh as the only eyewitness of the Father. The only begotten Son or the only begotten God.

John 1:18 Interlinear: God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.

This reads from the will of another at a point in time: Col 1:19 A creation of God the Father alone.
The only oneness Jesus taught is the Father in Him and He in the Father. So which version is in heaven the one with all the fullness of the Deity dwelling in Him bodily or His divine nature is the Spirit of the Father?
And the only thing we read is He committed the spirit He calls His own into the Fathers hands.
Nothing about two spirits or the nature of His spirit. "Father into your hands I commit MY spirit"

LIkewise, nothing about "Trinity" or "sovereign" anywhere in Scripture.

It was the man Jesus who was dying and who committed his immortal human spirit.

Neither the eternal divine Spirit (God) nor the immortal human spirit of Jesus died.

 

[Paul]

Eternal is without beginning and without end.

Eternal is existing forever through the passage of time. Note: I not stating the Father has a beginning I just don't know with certainty one way or the other. His usage of no God "was formed" before Him in speaking of a God such as Himself implies such a beginning. What I know with certainty from the NT is that if He has a beginning it couldn't be by any other being. As in unbegotten

LIkewise, nothing about "Trinity" or "sovereign" anywhere in Scripture.

Theology to me is considering the truth as given from above as in the NT not working backwards from the doctrines of man with assumptions to make the NT fit the doctrine.
God was the Logos. - A honest reading to me is the Logos has the Fathers nature. How that is so needs to be considered as well since it is not given in John. How is He a Son must be considered as well. How He has a God and Father must be considered. Whose Deity dwells IN Him. The Fathers or His own or both. Did His unique own Spirit descend into that body and ascend to where He has before? What was the nature of His spirit that dwells with the fullness of the Deity in Him?
God is our Father. Jesus is not our Father but He is our Lord.

God made the creation through Him. Does that suggest the Deity in the Son that created was the Fathers? Just as the Deity in Him that spoke to us in these last days was the Fathers. That the oneness that Jesus taught has always been so. The Father in Him and He in the Father.
He is in fact the Firstborn of all creation and the beginning of the creation of God just as He is the beginning of the resurrection and the Firstborn from the dead? That in Him its pleased the Father that all the fullness of His Deity should dwell so that the Son is all that the Father is. (God in that context). And the Father reconciled all things to "Himself" through His Sons blood on the cross.

This is what I see.
Jesus is Gods firstborn and has always been the Son. (His spirit-not deity) The fullness, (Fathers Deity), was gifted not formed. In that unity in Deity the Son is the radiance of the Fathers glory and the very imprint of the Fathers being (God in that context)
The Son who was, His spirit, was in the body prepared for Him and He entrusted His spirit into the Fathers hands and ascended to where He was before.

Is Jesus God?
He never dies
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son

The Father is the only true unbegotten God. Jesus is the only begotten God and they are one in the Fathers Deity. The Father has always been Jesus's God and Father and Jesus has always been His Firstborn Son.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

I didn't read this: Now this is eternal life: that they know us the only true God.

I'm not leading a rebellion so I'm holding to mystery. (smile)

It was the man Jesus who was dying and who committed his immortal human spirit.

The spirit He called His own. Nothing was stated about the nature of that spirit.

Neither the eternal divine Spirit (God) nor the immortal human spirit of Jesus died.

I agree Jesus never dies. He lives by the Father just as we live by Him.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

Eternal is without beginning and without end.

 

[Eleanor]

Eternal is existing forever through the passage of time. Note: I not stating the Father has a beginning I just don't know with certainty one way or the other. His usage of no God "was formed" before Him in speaking of a God such as Himself implies such a beginning. What I know with certainty from the NT is that if He has a beginning it couldn't be by any other being. As in unbegotten
Theology to me is considering the truth as given from above as in the NT not working backwards from the doctrines of man with assumptions to make the NT fit the doctrine.
God was the Logos. - A honest reading to me is the Logos has the Fathers nature. How that is so needs to be considered as well since it is not given in John. How is He a Son must be considered as well. How He has a God and Father must be considered. Whose Deity dwells IN Him. The Fathers or His own or both. Did His unique own Spirit descend into that body and ascend to where He has before? What was the nature of His spirit that dwells with the fullness of the Deity in Him?
God is our Father. Jesus is not our Father but He is our Lord.
God made the creation through Him. Does that suggest the Deity in the Son that created was the Fathers? Just as the Deity in Him that spoke to us in these last days was the Fathers. That the oneness that Jesus taught has always been so. The Father in Him and He in the Father.
He is in fact the Firstborn of all creation and the beginning of the creation of God just as He is the beginning of the resurrection and the Firstborn from the dead? That in Him its pleased the Father that all the fullness of His Deity should dwell so that the Son is all that the Father is. (God in that context). And the Father reconciled all things to "Himself" through His Sons blood on the cross.
This is what I see.
Jesus is Gods firstborn and has always been the Son. (His spirit-not deity) The fullness, (Fathers Deity), was gifted not formed. In that unity in Deity the Son is the radiance of the Fathers glory and the very imprint of the Fathers being (God in that context)
The Son who was, His spirit, was in the body prepared for Him and He entrusted His spirit into the Fathers hands and ascended to where He was before.
Is Jesus God?
He never dies
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son
The Father is the only true unbegotten God. Jesus is the only begotten God and they are one in the Fathers Deity. The Father has always been Jesus's God and Father and Jesus has always been His Firstborn Son.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
I didn't read this: Now this is eternal life: that they know us the only true God.
I'm not leading a rebellion so I'm holding to mystery. (smile)
The spirit He called His own. Nothing was stated about the nature of that spirit.

Again. . .likewise, nothing is stated as "Trinity" or "sovereign."

I agree Jesus never dies.

The body of Jesus of Nazareth did die--for death was necessary for our atonement, was buried, rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.

 

[Paul]

Again. . .likewise, nothing is stated as "Trinity" or "sovereign."

I agree nothing is stated about any trinity. I'm not sure what you mean about Sovereign. What context?
I not leading a rebellion and there is the doctrine of the trinity. It's very mysterious.

The body of Jesus of Nazareth did die--for death was necessary for our atonement, was buried, rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.

Put to death in the flesh made alive in the spirit -The one Jesus calls His own.
Yes, it was a bodily resurrection.

 

[Eleanor]

I agree nothing is stated about any trinity. I'm not sure what you mean about Sovereign. What context?

Simply the word "sovereign" in regard to God, like the word "Trinity" in regard to God, neither of which words are used,
as no words are used regarding the nature of the man Jesus of Nazareth as human (which necessarily follows if Jesus is human/man).

I not leading a rebellion and there is the doctrine of the trinity. It's very mysterious.

Put to death in the flesh made alive in the spirit -The one Jesus calls His own.
Yes, it was a bodily resurrection.

 

[Paul]

Simply the word "sovereign" in regard to God, like the word "Trinity" in regard to God, neither of which words are used.

You mean the God who sits on a throne in heaven? The one Jesus sat down on?
The Son of Man was given Sovereign authority. Ref Daniel 7

Thats a far cry from a Jesus who has 2 spirits.

 

[Eleanor]

You mean the God who sits on a throne in heaven? The one Jesus sat down on?
The Son of Man was given Sovereign authority. Ref Daniel 7

Thats a far cry from a Jesus who has 2 spirits.

Yes, the sovereign Jesus of Nazareth, with both the divine nature of God and the human nature of man.

Without both natures, he would not be both God and man in one person, Jesus of Nazareth, the human and the divine Son of God.

 

[Paul]

Yes, the sovereign Jesus of Nazareth, with both the divine nature of God and the human nature of man.

Without both natures, he would not be both God and man.

Ok Eleanor.

 

[Eleanor]

Ok Eleanor.

And without a human spirit he would not be a human person, just as without a divine Spirit he would not be a divine person, the Son of God.

Jesus was two natures and two spirits, human and divine, in one person.

The nature that died; i.e., his human nature, is the one he committed to God (the other nature was God and did not die).

 

[Eleanor]

It was the human spirit (of the human nature which died) which he committed to God.