The Battle of Armageddon

[jeremiah1five]

No, none of that is future. All of those events were included together within the Zechariah 12-14 prophecy for Israel and Jerusalem. There are some 16 or so conditions included in this Zech. 12-14 prophecy for Israel that were all prophesied to take place "IN THAT DAY" - all of them during the same time period which involved "the siege both against Judah and Jerusalem". And that included the second coming bodily return of the Lord Jesus to the Mount of Olives.

All the nations did come against Jerusalem between that AD 66-70 period. The Roman army was composed of soldiers coming from every nation which Rome had either subdued or had aligned itself with in those days. Josephus listed these auxiliary forces coming from other nations which came to join Titus and Vespasian's Roman legions in Wars 3.4.2.

But more to the point, there were the Zealot armies which came out of "Galilee of the NATIONS" which battled each other in civil strife within the city, each Zealot leader vying with the others for the Messianic role of King of the Jews in the city of Jerusalem. These various competing Galilean Zealot armies were the "NATIONS" which God fought against, and utterly destroyed by the close of AD 70. The nation of Idumea was documented by Josephus as coming to attack Jerusalem in that AD 66-70 period as well.

You are misreading the Zechariah 14:2 verse. It was not half of all Israel that would be taken captive. It was "half of THE CITY" which would go forth into captivity. The rest who were not taken captive died inside the city by plague, starvation, or the sword. These were not "cut off from the city" by leaving it because their dead bodies fell on the mountains of Israel in Jerusalem, just as prophesied for Gog's army, and just as Josephus recorded. He wrote that about 97,000 survivors were taken captive at the end. The rest were slain or had died by then out of the almost 2-3 million which had been besieged within the city since AD 66.

You are also following a mistranslation of the Zechariah 14:4-5 verses. They do NOT describe anyone "fleeing" through a newly-created valley. You need to read this Zechariah 14:4-5 passage in the LXX and similar versions which describe the effect which the earthquake would have on the Mount of Olives at Christ's bodily return. The mountain's crest would break apart in ALL directions - north, south, east and west - and the resulting rock landslide material would fall downhill. "The valley will be blocked up as far as Azal", Zech. 14:4-5 says, just like it did in the days of King Uzziah. This has already happened, as archaeologists have dated the bed of the Kidron Valley to have a deep, top layer of landslide rubble deposited from back in the first century.

Christ left this "calling card", so to speak, in the Kidron Valley, showing that He returned exactly where and when scripture predicted that He would do so, before that first-century generation had passed away.

I repeat, ALL of Zechariah 12-14's prophecy against Judah, Jerusalem, and Israel is ancient history. The so-called "Battle of Armageddon" (which really wasn't going to take place there, but in Jerusalem) has been over and done with for almost two millennia by now.

When did "ALL NATIONS" ever battle Jerusalem, and thence, Israel?

Rome is not "ALL NATIONS."

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; Zec 14:2.

That's what the battle of Armageddon will be like. One day God will change the demographics of the USA and Israel will no longer be supported by the US. And when ALL NATIONS (Gentiles) are gathered by God in the Valley of Megiddo then God will deliver the Jews alone.

 

[3 Resurrections]

That's what the battle of Armageddon will be like. One day God will change the demographics of the USA and Israel will no longer be supported by the US. And when ALL NATIONS (Gentiles) are gathered by God in the Valley of Megiddo then God will deliver the Jews alone.

You aren't reading the language of Zechariah, Ezekiel, and Revelation carefully enough. Scripture does not say there was going to be a battle taking place at the Armageddon site. The Hill at Megiddo has only a limited amount of ground space in which the combatants for Gog's battle would be assembled. The Hill at Megiddo was only the base camp - the staging ground - where the combatants for the war would originally be assembled. From there, Rev. 20:9 says they "went up on the breadth of the earth" (tes ges - the land of Israel), and would finally come to "encompass the beloved city". The city of JERUSALEM was the targeted location for the Gog battle to take place - not at the Hill at Megiddo. This is exactly the way the Roman/Jewish war developed and played out in the AD 66-70 period.

Gog's battle (as mentioned in Ezekiel 38) was going to have warriors coming from those various listed nations in Ezekiel 38:5 ("Persians, Ethiopians, and Libyans with them", etc.). But it did not predict that the entire nation itself of Persia, Ethiopia, Libya, etc. would be involved. Just because Gog's battle force would have representative members among their number which would have come from those various nations did not mean that their entire nation was involved in the conflict.

This battle in "the siege both against Judah and Jerusalem" would take place while the tribes of Israel were still extant. That's the problem with interpreting this Zechariah 12-14 prophecy for Israel as taking place in modern times. Today, there are no tribes or families in Israel of the tribe of Judah, Levi, the house of David, Nathan, or Shimei which Zechariah mentioned in Zechariah 12. All of these Israelite tribal members and families were going to be the ones doing the mourning in the city of Jerusalem when they saw Christ returning.

It was "they who pierced Him" who would be doing that mourning when they saw Christ bodily returning to Jerusalem's Mount of Olives. This charge of the blood guilt of Christ was brought upon the first-century generation of those in Israel who rejected their Messiah and became "the betrayers and murderers" of Jesus Christ. This blood guilt did not extend to any generation of Israelites after that one. God exacted His vengeance upon that particular first-century generation for their crime, just as promised, and it satisfied His justice concerning that offense.

Any developments today in modern times in the land of Israel are not related at all to the Zechariah 12-14 prophecy, which was fulfilled to the letter back in AD 66-70.

 

[Mr GLee]

When did "ALL NATIONS" ever battle Jerusalem, and thence, Israel?

Rome is not "ALL NATIONS."

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; Zec 14:2.

That's what the battle of Armageddon will be like. One day God will change the demographics of the USA and Israel will no longer be supported by the US. And when ALL NATIONS (Gentiles) are gathered by God in the Valley of Megiddo then God will deliver the Jews alone.

All nations as dying mankind fall short of our invisible head. our Holy Father All of mankind falls short of the glory of God .

God did use the Jew, temporal historical dying things to show all the nations his unseen eternal power. A demonstration pouring out His Spirit on dying flesh of all nations giving new born agin spirit life that will never die.

The 20/20 prescription needed to rightly divide the parables the signified tongue of Christ

2 Corinthians 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

No mixing of the two temporal historical with spirit eternal no gospel rest.

There were no female prophets when there were Kings in Israel, it was a Jewish men's only club. the 2 high walls that prevented them from participating in the ceremonies came down one wall separate Jewish men from woman the other separates gentiles from Jews , A gospel explosion Jewish and gentiles could now gather together as one new nation of nations called by our Holy Father "Christian" literally meaning residence of the heavenly city prepared for his wife the church named after her founder and husband Christ

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

 

[jeremiah1five]

You aren't reading the language of Zechariah, Ezekiel, and Revelation carefully enough. Scripture does not say there was going to be a battle taking place at the Armageddon site. The Hill at Megiddo has only a limited amount of ground space in which the combatants for Gog's battle would be assembled. The Hill at Megiddo was only the base camp - the staging ground - where the combatants for the war would originally be assembled. From there, Rev. 20:9 says they "went up on the breadth of the earth" (tes ges - the land of Israel), and would finally come to "encompass the beloved city". The city of JERUSALEM was the targeted location for the Gog battle to take place - not at the Hill at Megiddo. This is exactly the way the Roman/Jewish war developed and played out in the AD 66-70 period.

Gog's battle (as mentioned in Ezekiel 38) was going to have warriors coming from those various listed nations in Ezekiel 38:5 ("Persians, Ethiopians, and Libyans with them", etc.). But it did not predict that the entire nation itself of Persia, Ethiopia, Libya, etc. would be involved. Just because Gog's battle force would have representative members among their number which would have come from those various nations did not mean that their entire nation was involved in the conflict.

This battle in "the siege both against Judah and Jerusalem" would take place while the tribes of Israel were still extant. That's the problem with interpreting this Zechariah 12-14 prophecy for Israel as taking place in modern times. Today, there are no tribes or families in Israel of the tribe of Judah, Levi, the house of David, Nathan, or Shimei which Zechariah mentioned in Zechariah 12. All of these Israelite tribal members and families were going to be the ones doing the mourning in the city of Jerusalem when they saw Christ returning.

It was "they who pierced Him" who would be doing that mourning when they saw Christ bodily returning to Jerusalem's Mount of Olives. This charge of the blood guilt of Christ was brought upon the first-century generation of those in Israel who rejected their Messiah and became "the betrayers and murderers" of Jesus Christ. This blood guilt did not extend to any generation of Israelites after that one. God exacted His vengeance upon that particular first-century generation for their crime, just as promised, and it satisfied His justice concerning that offense.

Any developments today in modern times in the land of Israel are not related at all to the Zechariah 12-14 prophecy, which was fulfilled to the letter back in AD 66-70.

Again, when did "ALL NATIONS" ever battle Israel?

 

[Mr GLee]

Again, when did "ALL NATIONS" ever battle Israel?

I would offer. .

Which Israel born again Israel or a outward Jew according to the dying flesh that seeks the praise of other dying men and not the praise of Emanuel ?.

Remember the Father as propmised beforehand (Isaiah 62) renamed the bride in Acts calling her Christian literally meaning "residence of the heavenly city of Christ" prepared for his bride name after her founder and husband Christ .A more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations

Do you think Christian is a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations as families of the world ?.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Again, when did "ALL NATIONS" ever battle Israel?

I've already written when scripture described this happening. According to the Zechariah 12 context, it had to take place in the AD 66-70 period. At a time when there were still Israelite tribes and families such as Judah, Levi, the house of David, Nathan, and Shimei. These were the examples which Zechariah 12 listed from among all the families of Israelite tribes that remained in those days - none of which are in existence anymore since AD 70 when the Jerusalem archives containing the genealogical records of the tribes were burned up by the warring Zealot factions.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I've already written when scripture described this happening. According to the Zechariah 12 context, it had to take place in the AD 66-70 period. At a time when there were still Israelite tribes and families such as Judah, Levi, the house of David, Nathan, and Shimei. These were the examples which Zechariah 12 listed from among all the families of Israelite tribes that remained in those days - none of which are in existence anymore since AD 70 when the Jerusalem archives containing the genealogical records of the tribes were burned up by the warring Zealot factions.

Disagree. The twelve tribes were existing in Jesus' day, and they are still with us today. Something about an eternal covenant to preserve the people born to God.

And "all nations" have not been gathered by God against His people for the purpose of destroying them Himself and glorifying Himself to "all nations."
You don't mess with the apple of God's own eye. He gave His arm to them, and His eye has a jealous tint to it.
Something about "touch not His anointed..."

 

[3 Resurrections]

Disagree. The twelve tribes were existing in Jesus' day, and they are still with us today. Something about an eternal covenant to preserve the people born to God.

You forget that God made promises not only of blessing but of curses as well to the ethnic Israelite nation, if they departed from Him. True to His word, God also made good on those curses in the AD 66-70 period. There are no 12 Israelite tribes in existence today.

A physical, ethnic, bloodline of a genealogical descent back to Abraham has never been the deciding factor of who has always been considered the "Israel of God". It is the children of faith - the children of promise - that is the critical factor in identifying the true people of God. "They are not all Israel which are of Israel", Paul told his first-century audience.

As Daniel's angel once predicted in Daniel 12:7, the power of what used to be called "the holy people" of the old covenant was shattered by the time all of Daniel's prophecies had been fulfilled in that timespan of a "time, times, and half a time" (which lasted from late AD 66 until AD 70).

It is the 12 apostles of the Lamb (not the 12 tribes of Israel) that form the foundations of the wall for the city New Jerusalem which we as believers currently occupy today (Rev. 21:14).

You are confusing God's defense of New Jerusalem in Zechariah 12 with the old Jerusalem with its obsolete system of physical temple worship which He wanted torn down to the last stone.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You forget that God made promises not only of blessing but of curses as well to the ethnic Israelite nation, if they departed from Him. True to His word, God also made good on those curses in the AD 66-70 period. There are no 12 Israelite tribes in existence today.

A physical, ethnic, bloodline of a genealogical descent back to Abraham has never been the deciding factor of who has always been considered the "Israel of God". It is the children of faith - the children of promise - that is the critical factor in identifying the true people of God. "They are not all Israel which are of Israel", Paul told his first-century audience.

As Daniel's angel once predicted in Daniel 12:7, the power of what used to be called "the holy people" of the old covenant was shattered by the time all of Daniel's prophecies had been fulfilled in that timespan of a "time, times, and half a time" (which lasted from late AD 66 until AD 70).

It is the 12 apostles of the Lamb (not the 12 tribes of Israel) that form the foundations of the wall for the city New Jerusalem which we as believers currently occupy today (Rev. 21:14).

You are confusing God's defense of New Jerusalem in Zechariah 12 with the old Jerusalem with its obsolete system of physical temple worship which He wanted torn down to the last stone.

Constantinian Gentile false theology.
Doing everything to supplant the Israel of God from His people.
When the two witnesses arrive, they will say things that will correct the false theology of the Gentiles, even to the point of causing their hatred of them and Israel and their joining the nations that God brings against Israel in the final battle in order to destroy them. Who's left will live in the four corners of the earth when Satan is released and deceives them once more to attack Israel who are ALL twelve tribes living in their own land alone.
The twelve tribes were present when Jesus walk His land and they are still here with us today. Many Jews can trace their lineage back to Jacob.
Ask one.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Constantinian Gentile false theology.
Doing everything to supplant the Israel of God from His people.

This is false.

The list of curses for the ethnic nation of Israel if they departed from the Lord are as real as the song of Moses in Deuteronomy 32 that the nation memorized - even before they entered the land of Canaan. This has nothing to do with Constantine or the Gentiles. Total destruction of themselves as a nation was promised to the children of Israel if they pursued other gods. Which destruction came to pass for the twelve tribes of Israel for a final time in the AD 66-70 period.

The battle of Gog got rid of the twelve tribes of Israel. Gog is the name given for Israel back in Numbers 24:5-9 in the LXX. Gog's battle was a civil war with Israelites engaged in destroying their fellow Israelites, according to Ezekiel 38:21, which said that "...every man's sword shall be against his brother" in that battle of Gog at Jerusalem.

You totally misunderstand the mystery which Paul said was then revealed in those first-century days, but had been hidden from former ages until then. It has always been the case for humanity that "Christ in you, the hope of glory" is all that is required to be a child of God. Not anyone's bloodline from a family, nor an ethnic descent from a nation or tribe. Anyone who is a child of God believing on His name has been born "not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but OF GOD" (John 1:13).

Many Jews can trace their lineage back to Jacob. Ask one.

No, they can't. The tribal records were all burned up in AD 70 along with the archives in Jerusalem. Not a single person today practicing Judaism or claiming Jewish ancestry can trace an unbroken lineage back to Jacob.

Genealogies weren't even important in Paul's days. He wrote, "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do." (1 Tim. 1:4). Again, in Titus 3:9, Paul once more said "But avoid foolish question, and genealogies, and contentions, and striving about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."

Why would you want to pursue something "unprofitable and vain" that Paul told us to "avoid"?

 

[jeremiah1five]

This is false.

The list of curses for the ethnic nation of Israel if they departed from the Lord are as real as the song of Moses in Deuteronomy 32 that the nation memorized - even before they entered the land of Canaan. This has nothing to do with Constantine or the Gentiles. Total destruction of themselves as a nation was promised to the children of Israel if they pursued other gods. Which destruction came to pass for the twelve tribes of Israel for a final time in the AD 66-70 period.

God has an eternal covenant with Abraham and his seed the children of Israel.
The blessings and curses are correct. But God said He would not make a "full end" of this people especially since He has an eternal covenant with this people. The thief (sin) comes to steal, kill, and destroy. And when Israel sins that's what happens. They pay the penalty for their sins of disobedience and idol-worship, etc., but again, God said He would not make a "full end" of His covenant people.

11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee:
Though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee,
yet will I not make a full end of thee:
Jer. 30:11.

The nations are identified as GENTILES (non-Hebrew.) You should take a closer look at what God does to Gentiles:

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev. 20:7–9.

At this time the Hebrews/Jews are living alone in their own Promised Land and the Gentiles live surrounding them. And since the Jews are in their own land where are Gentile "Christians"?
Not in heaven. They live in the four quarters of the earth.

The battle of Gog got rid of the twelve tribes of Israel. Gog is the name given for Israel back in Numbers 24:5-9 in the LXX. Gog's battle was a civil war with Israelites engaged in destroying their fellow Israelites, according to Ezekiel 38:21, which said that "...every man's sword shall be against his brother" in that battle of Gog at Jerusalem.

Where are you getting your false information? It contradicts Scripture.

17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?
18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

Israel cannot be Gog if Gog is coming against them.

Continued:

19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man’s sword shall be against his brother.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Ezek. 38:17–23.

You possess GREAT ERROR.

You totally misunderstand the mystery which Paul said was then revealed in those first-century days, but had been hidden from former ages until then. It has always been the case for humanity that "Christ in you, the hope of glory" is all that is required to be a child of God. Not anyone's bloodline from a family, nor an ethnic descent from a nation or tribe. Anyone who is a child of God believing on His name has been born "not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but OF GOD" (John 1:13).

God has covenant with Abraham and his seed. His seed are known as the children of Israel (Mosaic Covenant), and the House of Israel (New Covenant.)
God has NO COVENANT with Gentiles. HE WILL make a full end of them.

No, they can't. The tribal records were all burned up in AD 70 along with the archives in Jerusalem. Not a single person today practicing Judaism or claiming Jewish ancestry can trace an unbroken lineage back to Jacob.

Oral tradition and records may be destroyed but they rewrote them again.

Genealogies weren't even important in Paul's days. He wrote, "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do." (1 Tim. 1:4). Again, in Titus 3:9, Paul once more said "But avoid foolish question, and genealogies, and contentions, and striving about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."

He didn't say they weren't important. He said to avoid. And being that Jesus, the King of the Jews, attempted to resolve the animosities between the descendants of the norther and southern kingdoms (Matt. 5:43), there was continued issues between this people and the arguments as to the correct kingdom of where Messiah, King of the Jews, would have His throne these arguments continued after Jesus' ascension. Especially now that the Holy Spirit of Promise was affecting their lives (the Jewish Christians) they continued their animosities on the kingdom of God (Acts 1:6.)

Why would you want to pursue something "unprofitable and vain" that Paul told us to "avoid"?

I don't believe myself as Hebrew so that doesn't apply to me. It applies to the Jewish Christians to whom Saul wrote to.
Again, Gentiles taking over everything written to the Jews such as what you said above.
The Scripture from Genesis to Revelation are Hebrew Scriptures. Jewish Christians (Saul, Peter, James, John, etc.), writing to Jewish Christians about the New Covenant they found themselves right smack in the middle. One, such as Saul a rabbi, had to search the Hebrew Scripture to make sense and understand the New Covenant written of and about in the Hebrew Scripture.
Gentiles have no Scripture. Gentiles have no covenant. Everything God gave to Israel and identifying terms like "Church" and "Bride" and "saints" all describe the people of Israel (Hebrews.)
They do NOT identify Gentiles except that Israel will be a light to Gentiles, but Gentiles are blind and will be deceived when Satan is let out of his prison and they will make one last fatal mistake and it's bye, bye birdie.

So, bye, bye, Gentiles.

 

[3 Resurrections]

11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee:
Though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee,
yet will I not make a full end of thee:
Jer. 30:11.

This verse was a prophecy concerning the post-exilic return of the nation of Israel, by decree of the Persian kings. God made a "full end" of the nations of the Babylonian empire, which was destroyed completely in that single night of Belshazzar's feast, but the Israelite exiles were able to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the nation, the city, and the temple. This post-exilic return preceded Israel's final overthrow in the AD 66-70 period at their "latter end", which the song of Moses in Deuteronomy 32 predicted for that nation.

17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?
18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

Israel cannot be Gog if Gog is coming against them.

Of course Gog is Israel, as Balaam's prophecy in Numbers 24:5-9 stated in the LXX. The battle of Gog was a civil war, when "every man's sword shall be against his brother" (Ezekiel 38:21). Brother against brother is internecine warfare - Israelite against fellow Israelite.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Scripture tells us what the "four quarters of the earth" were, and they were the four dimensions of the land of Israel specifically. Ezekiel 7:2-3 tells us this. "...thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. Now is the end come upon thee...". This was describing the first time Jerusalem and its temple were destroyed, and the nation was scattered among the pagan nations of the Babylonian empire.

Before the Roman/ Jewish war ramped up in AD 66, Satan went out to deceive the nations in the four quarters of the land of Israel, (Gog and Magog), and they were gathered together to battle each other within the city of Jerusalem. It was Zealots coming from out of their home turf in "the north parts" of the land of Israel in "Galilee of the Gentiles" who gathered together at Jerusalem.

Each of those Zealot leaders were an antichrist, trying to present themselves as a military leader version of Daniel's prophesied Messiah, and they battled each other (Israelite brother against Israelite brother) during the AD 66-70 years, with each of them trying to gain the upper hand over the others. The one Zealot leader who ended up with the largest army was Simon Bar Giora, who also took over the nation of Idumea and used their soldiers to increase the size of his own army, which in AD 69 numbered some 40,000.

God slew the Israelite army of Gog on the mountains of Israel in Jerusalem by the close of AD 70. It took seven months to bury the dead from this conflict and to cleanse the land of those human remains. This is all ancient history by now.

 

[jeremiah1five]

This verse was a prophecy concerning the post-exilic return of the nation of Israel, by decree of the Persian kings. God made a "full end" of the nations of the Babylonian empire, which was destroyed completely in that single night of Belshazzar's feast, but the Israelite exiles were able to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the nation, the city, and the temple. This post-exilic return preceded Israel's final overthrow in the AD 66-70 period at their "latter end", which the song of Moses in Deuteronomy 32 predicted for that nation.


Of course Gog is Israel, as Balaam's prophecy in Numbers 24:5-9 stated in the LXX. The battle of Gog was a civil war, when "every man's sword shall be against his brother" (Ezekiel 38:21). Brother against brother is internecine warfare - Israelite against fellow Israelite.


Scripture tells us what the "four quarters of the earth" were, and they were the four dimensions of the land of Israel specifically. Ezekiel 7:2-3 tells us this. "...thus saith the Lord God unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. Now is the end come upon thee...". This was describing the first time Jerusalem and its temple were destroyed, and the nation was scattered among the pagan nations of the Babylonian empire.

Before the Roman/ Jewish war ramped up in AD 66, Satan went out to deceive the nations in the four quarters of the land of Israel, (Gog and Magog), and they were gathered together to battle each other within the city of Jerusalem. It was Zealots coming from out of their home turf in "the north parts" of the land of Israel in "Galilee of the Gentiles" who gathered together at Jerusalem.

Each of those Zealot leaders were an antichrist, trying to present themselves as a military leader version of Daniel's prophesied Messiah, and they battled each other (Israelite brother against Israelite brother) during the AD 66-70 years, with each of them trying to gain the upper hand over the others. The one Zealot leader who ended up with the largest army was Simon Bar Giora, who also took over the nation of Idumea and used their soldiers to increase the size of his own army, which in AD 69 numbered some 40,000.

God slew the Israelite army of Gog on the mountains of Israel in Jerusalem by the close of AD 70. It took seven months to bury the dead from this conflict and to cleanse the land of those human remains. This is all ancient history by now.

Crazy

 

[Hobie]

Prophecy is past, present, and future just as Christ Jesus is yesterday, today, and for ever.

This is future:


Behold, the day of the LORD cometh,
And thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;
And the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and ethe women ravished;
And half of the city shall go forth into captivity,
And the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations,
As when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
Which is before Jerusalem on the east,
And the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west,
And there shall be a very great valley;
And half of the mountain shall remove toward the north,
And half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains;
For the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal:
Yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake
Zech. 14:1–5.

- It's the day of the LORD.
- God gathers ALL nations to battle against Israel.
- At the Roman war of AD 70 half the nation of Israel did not go into captivity, the whole nation was destroyed and "the residue of the people were NOT cut off from the city" the whole population was. And not only that, but Rome passed laws to prohibit Jews from returning. It was total, not half.
- The LORD personally comes down and joins Israel in fighting against the ALL nations, this sounds like His Second Coming (Rev. 19:11-15.)
- His feet stands on the Mount of Olives and it cleaves into a valley.
- The mountain removes toward the north and half towards the south. That's never happened.

You need to reconsider.

Why shall soon see with our own eyes..

 

[jeremiah1five]

Why shall soon see with our own eyes..

Soon and very soon we are going to see the King.
The King of the Jews.
Only.
As for the Gentiles? He's going to rule them with a rod of iron.
It won't be pretty.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations (Gentiles): and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev. 19:15–16.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Soon and very soon we are going to see the King.
The King of the Jews.
Only.
As for the Gentiles? He's going to rule them with a rod of iron.
It won't be pretty.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations (Gentiles): and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev. 19:15–16.

The "days of vengeance" when Christ trod the winepress alone was when He crushed the "vine of Sodom" in that winepress. This was not the Gentile nations. Isaiah wrote about God doing this treading of the winepress of His people who had turned disobedient and became His enemy (Isaiah 63). He predicted that a certain limited elect number would come out of Jacob and Judah, but that those of His people that forgot the Lord would be "numbered to the sword" and would all "bow down to the slaughter". In Isaiah 65:15, Isaiah wrote "For the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name."

This change came into full effect in the New heavens and the New Earth, which we currently occupy today. There are no longer any Gentile of Jew classifications within this New Heavens and New Earth reality of the New Jerusalem and the New Covenant in Christ's blood.

You must not have gotten the memo yet.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The "days of vengeance" when Christ trod the winepress alone was when He crushed the "vine of Sodom" in that winepress. This was not the Gentile nations. Isaiah wrote about God doing this treading of the winepress of His people who had turned disobedient and became His enemy (Isaiah 63). He predicted that a certain limited elect number would come out of Jacob and Judah, but that those of His people that forgot the Lord would be "numbered to the sword" and would all "bow down to the slaughter". In Isaiah 65:15, Isaiah wrote "For the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name."

This change came into full effect in the New heavens and the New Earth, which we currently occupy today. There are no longer any Gentile of Jew classifications within this New Heavens and New Earth reality of the New Jerusalem and the New Covenant in Christ's blood.

You must not have gotten the memo yet.

Home sick with COVID-621

 

[Hobie]

The "days of vengeance" when Christ trod the winepress alone was when He crushed the "vine of Sodom" in that winepress. This was not the Gentile nations. Isaiah wrote about God doing this treading of the winepress of His people who had turned disobedient and became His enemy (Isaiah 63). He predicted that a certain limited elect number would come out of Jacob and Judah, but that those of His people that forgot the Lord would be "numbered to the sword" and would all "bow down to the slaughter". In Isaiah 65:15, Isaiah wrote "For the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name."

This change came into full effect in the New heavens and the New Earth, which we currently occupy today. There are no longer any Gentile of Jew classifications within this New Heavens and New Earth reality of the New Jerusalem and the New Covenant in Christ's blood.

You must not have gotten the memo yet.

If this is the 'New Heaven and New Earth' then we need a savior from it..

 

[3 Resurrections]

If this is the 'New Heaven and New Earth' then we need a savior from it..

The New Heavens and New Earth are not the eternal state which we are ultimately to gain. Like yourself, most people think that the NHNE IS the eternal state, but it's not. The New Heavens and New Earth are the ages prior to the eternal state ushered in after the final judgment.