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The "Arbitrary" Objection to Unconditional Election

Romans 10:13 For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Romans 10:10-12 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in Him will not be put to shame. For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing His riches on all who call on Him.


It is you who through your interpretation create a contradiction. Roman 10:13 is one of the most misinterpreted and misused scriptures in the entire Bible. And it is done so in order to support the heresy of choice resulting in salvation, and undermine the doctrine of election. Here is how it goes, provided any would even bother to see if and where they are creating contradictions, but since you named one, we will go with that; Eph 2:8-9 clearly says it is by grace and not works, so what we will do is simply insist that choosing Christ is not a work. And everywhere the Bible says predestination, election, etc. we will move what it is referring to, individuals, and say no, no, it is election in some other way or for some other reason than God doing it, or applied to something else. It is exactly what you do even though you also say you were saved because you did what you needed to do to be saved. If God won't save you until you meet certain requirements, and so you do those requirements, you have earned God's love and you have earned your salvation. Saying that is not not a work will not change the fact that it is. There is nothing is that set of verses that remotely mentions anything about choosing Christ first. It says believe. Confesses with the mouth is not an avenue of salvation as the altar call promotes, but something we do because we have been saved, and can only truly do when we are saved. If calling on Him meant that was all it took for Him to redeem, then there would be a great many people that called on Him when they were desperate, (atheists often do irony of irony) or even as an expletive, but believe nothing of Christ, in the kingdom.


Eph 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast,
Eph 2:4-7 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ---by grace you have been saved---and raised us up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages He might show the immeasurable riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.


Whose grace?
Who does the doing?
Who has the gift to give and gives it?
Who loved and who did He love?
When did He do this?
What did He do?
Why did He do it?
Clearly, we can take Romans 10:13 at face value, that "Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved".

Certainly not,

"Whosoever is saved shall call on the name of the Lord."

This passage is not misinterpreted in that it refutes Calvinistic doctrine.
 
That's too bad. The NAS and ESV are among the most literal, formal translations we have in English.
I wouldn't trust the NASB. I consider it to be the "Not Applicable Satanic Version".

I can prove out of it that Jesus is satan.
 
As an example proving the truthfulness of what Paul wrote, he used the example of Jacob and Esau, reporting one was hated before he was even born and the other was loved before he was born. It did not have anything to do with how either man walked or how either man willed. God's decision precluded either man's life.
Actually, God hated Esau because He is outside of time and He saw the day that Esau would despise his birthright before Esau was even born.
 
He'd willingly be cursed if it would bring them to salvation (implying he knows not even that would work).
Another way of looking at it is that it would be impossible for Paul to not be saved since he was already in the kingdom and eternal security is in fact a reality of the kingdom.
 
That circumcision is not by hands; it occurs in the removal of the flesh, not from the confession of the sinful flesh's mouth!
A statement that is in direct contradiction to what is written in Romans 10:9.
 
In his epistle to the Romans Paul was writing to a group of people who had already had their body of flesh removed by Christ. They were saints, the called of Christ.
False teaching. Clearly, they had yet to be saved; and would be saved as the result of confessing Jesus with their mouth.
 
He did not know beforehand he'd been chosen. He didn't know he'd been called beforehand. He wasn't given a choice when God chose him, he wasn't given a choice when God called him, and he was not given a choice when God commanded him. Paul's own precedent defies the interpretation you have given to Romans 10:9.
He certainly did have a choice.

Being faced with incontrovertible evidence, he still might have hardened his heart and rejected that evidence as a sheer act of his will.
 
Acts 9:15-19
But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel; for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name's sake." So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; and he took food and was strengthened.

Paul had been prepared his entire life to serve God's purpose. He was a chosen instrument of God's and he didn't even know it. Regeneration preceded faith and God's mercy did not depend on how Paul worked or how he willed. It depended on God's will and God's purpose.
1) faith preceded regeneration.

2) the only reason Paul was chosen was because he became a willing vessel. If he had not been, God would have chosen someone else.

Just as in the famous quote out of the book of Esther.
 
Does confess with your mouth in these verses mean that all we have to do is say those words, and we will be saved?
Of course one must also believe in his heart that God hath raised Jesus from the dead.
 
No Calvinist said that in the first place. It is you who quoted the scripture, When I am raised up I will draw all men to myself, and used it to say all men as in every individual was drawn to Christ, and then had to make a choice. The question in that instance was not about the word draw but rather the word "all." Keep the story straight.
No I have been saying all along that not all who are drawn are necessarily given and have experienced argumentation from Calvinists.
 
No Calvinist said that in the first place. It is you who quoted the scripture, When I am raised up I will draw all men to myself, and used it to say all men as in every individual was drawn to Christ, and then had to make a choice. The question in that instance was not about the word draw but rather the word "all." Keep the story straight.
No I have been saying all along that not all who are drawn are necessarily given and have experienced argumentation from Calvinists.
 
No I have been saying all along that not all who are drawn are necessarily given and have experienced argumentation from Calvinists.
Argumentation form Calvinists?
 
Of course one must also believe in his heart that God hath raised Jesus from the dead.
Is that the sole content of the gospel that must be believed?
 
Clearly, we can take Romans 10:13 at face value, that "Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved".

Certainly not,

"Whosoever is saved shall call on the name of the Lord."

This passage is not misinterpreted in that it refutes Calvinistic doctrine.
The only whosoever who call on the name of the Lord are the elect.
 
The only whosoever who call on the name of the Lord are the elect.
I'll agree. But from God's perspective from outside of time (foreknowledge), they are the elect because they call on the name of the Lord.
 
I'll agree. But from God's perspective from outside of time (foreknowledge), they are the elect because they call on the name of the Lord.
Where is it written they are elect because they call upon the name of the Lord?

Where is it written you choose to be chosen.
 
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