We shall get to that!
One does not have to agree with your interpretation of 2 Peter 2:4 to prove anything.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Yes I believe this is truth I just believe it started at Genesis 6.
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
I also believe the result of Genesis 6 was the major factor for why God destroyed the world by flood.
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
Tell us what was the major sin referred to in scripture for Sodom and Gomorrha? Jude compared it to the sin of the angels in Jude 7.
Trust me Brother it is not a requirement that I believe 2 Peter 2:4 the same way you do to be saved. You are off the reservation on that.
Yep
Nope it does not mean all the angels that fell committed the same sin. I haver shown that from scripture post yours.
Yes the ones that committed the sin mentioned in Jude.
Okay you are now repeating yourself, already dealt with most of these claims.
Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Why do you ignore the context of Jude?
I don't.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 4–6.
I just don't ascribe to angels (spirit-beings who have no body and have no creative Deific attributes to create one) are the "sons of God" in Genesis 6.
I place the "sinning" that they are placed in chains of darkness (same language as Peter) to a time BEFORE God created man (Heb. Adam.)
There was a time when God destroyed the earth.
I believe Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Finished. Complete. Done.
But in Genesis 1:2 it says, "And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness on the face of the deep."
So, what happen to the earth that rendered it without form and void and with darkness?
God destroyed the earth (and first heaven - the atmosphere from the ground to where outer space begins) in fierce anger:
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was
without form, and
void;
And the
heavens, and they had no light (darkness.)
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled,
And all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo,
there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness,
And all the cities thereof were broken down
At the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer. 4:23–26.
"There was no man" (no 'Adam.')
The word birds is not the word used of the flying fowl. There is another Hebrew word used for 'flying bird-animal) from Genesis to Psalm 124.
And the "fruitful place" becoming a wilderness I take to mean earth after God created it in Genesis 1:1.
I also take Isaiah 24:1 also explains a lot.
Behold, the LORD cmaketh the earth
empty, and maketh it
waste,
And
turneth it upside down, and
scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
Is 24:1.
I also believe that the earth of Genesis 1:1 was the fruitful place where God's angels had their ministry. I also know that cherubs guard
earthly holy things and seraphim guard
heavenly holy things:
12 How art thou
fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How art thou
cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof;
That opened not the house of his prisoners?
Is 14:12–17.
The throne of God would have been either at modern-day Jerusalem or nearby to that location. Now stay with me:
11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the
anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon
the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect (complete) in thy ways from the day that thou wast created,
till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore
I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:
I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Eze 28:11–17.
The word "anointed" means "outstretched."
Lucifer was covering the throne on the mountain of God, he was "outstretched" and in Samuel the "Mountain of God" is Jerusalem.
This places Lucifer outstretched above the throne of God on the mountain of God in first heaven (the atmosphere from the ground to where outer space begins.)
This mountain of God is also "Eden the Garden of God." If Adam committed his disobedience in the Garden of Eden the sacrifice to atone for that sinfulness was outside the city.
Since there is ONLY ONE God, there is NONE like Him and He gives His glory to NO ONE the one-third angels and man were created sin-ful, or as the word is defined, "missing the mark" of the glory of God.
That's why they sinned in their own capacity because as wickedness comes from the wicked" so does "sin come from sinner."
13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sa 24:13.
The proverb of the
ancients could be a reference to Adam and his sin.
So, in response to Lucifer's rebellion God destroyed the earth. If the gifts and callings of God are without repentance and Lucifer and the other sinning angels received gifts and callings ("outstretched") God could not recall their various ministries. So, to address this He destroyed the earth in FIERCE ANGER.
There is nowhere in Scripture "there was no man (Adam) and God destroying the earth in fierce anger except between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, before God created man. Now, with the sinning angels cast down to hell delivered in chains of darkness reserved unto the judgment day God launched His Plan of Man.
This all comes together for me. There is nowhere in Scripture God could turn the earth UPSIDE DOWN but before man was created.
But to take spirit beings that cannot be seen and have no bodies as being involved in the sanctity of marriage with human women and having children in way out there to impossible.
Leaving their first estate (principality) and their habitation in Jude is the same language as Peter and it can only fir between the original creation of heaven and earth in Genesis 1:1 and the re-creation in Genesis 1:2 so that He, God, could launch His Plan of Man.
So, no, I don't ignore Jude.
I just don't accept that spirit beings you can't see, who have no genitals, involving themselves in the sanctity of marriage with human women and having children. God ordained "AFTER HIS KIND" and spirit beings and humans are incompatible. Impossible according to the ordinance of God in creation.
