The 12th apostle: Matthias or Paul?

[Eleanor]

Why 12 out of 27 ?

Guess you'll have to ask Jesus. . .

 

[Mr GLee]

Guess you'll have to ask Jesus. . .

I think he suggest us to study .

Why 12 of the 27 listed in the new testament to include the apostle Jesus ? wiser, taller, better looking? More mature ?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Dude, I am not going to repeat myself over and over when I already refuted your false belief.

If your too lazy to go back and read that is your problem, not mine.

By telling me to go to another post somewhere for your response shows me you are proud and arrogant.
This is the reason why you are not ready to give an answer to those that ask of the hope in you.
Sad.

 

[Eleanor]

I think he suggest us to study .

Why 12 of the 27 listed in the new testament to include the apostle Jesus ? wiser, taller, better looking? More mature ?

I'll let you "study" for that answer. . .

 

[Fred]

By telling me to go to another post somewhere for your response shows me you are proud and arrogant.
This is the reason why you are not ready to give an answer to those that ask of the hope in you.
Sad.

By you not being willing to go to another post somewhere for my response shows me you are proud and arrogant.

I already gave the answer. I don't feel like repeating it when people are too lazy to look at it.
Sad and pathetic on your part.

 

[Mr GLee]

I'll let you "study" for that answer. . .

Why not the apostle Mary as part of the twelve or the apostle Jesus?

 

[jeremiah1five]

By you not being willing to go to another post somewhere for my response shows me you are proud and arrogant.

I already gave the answer. I don't feel like repeating it when people are too lazy to look at it.
Sad and pathetic on your part.

Disobedient to give an answer to those that ask of the hope in you.
I've repeated myself several times. I know, it gets wearisome. But I do it.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The 12th disciple is Judas Iscariot.
Christ does not replace. He adds.

47 Praising God and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:46–47.

Christ doesn't build His Church by replacing. He ADDS brick upon brick, line upon line, precept upon precept.
All this false Gentile theology about replacement theology, Israel was replaced, Judas was replaced. Garbage. All of it is garbage.

 

[Eleanor]

The 12th disciple is Judas Iscariot.
Christ does not replace. He adds.

47 Praising God and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:46–47.

Christ doesn't build His Church by replacing. He ADDS brick upon brick, line upon line, precept upon precept.
All this false Gentile theology about replacement theology, Israel was replaced, Judas was replaced. Garbage. All of it is garbage.

It ts not "replacement" theology, it is NT fulfillment theology.
Authoritative NT apostolic teaching governs the meaning of the whole Bible.
There is only one word of God and, correctly understood, it is all in agreement with itself.
Any interpretation not in agreement with apostolic teaching is necessarily erroneous.

 

[Eleanor]

Why not the apostle Mary as part of the twelve or the apostle Jesus?

Addressed in post #101.

 

[Mr GLee]

Addressed in post #101.

I already think I know why only twelve families /tribes as gates out of thousands of families , and twelve apostles out of many (29) used together in parable as foundation walls.

Not a salvation issue . More of the revealing the good news of parables to perk up ones daily bread .

I think the foundation as to the problem is dying mankind as a oral tradition, has redefined the word apostle , giving the idea of a venerable pecking order lording it over the understanding non venerable .

No different then the apostles not used in the demonstration of the bride of Christ .

One word (apostle) changed the authroity of scripture from sola scriptura to. . I heard it through the legion of fathers grape vine dying mankind

Violating the loving law not to

Deuteronomy 4::2 Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, (singular) that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

Therefore protecting integrity of author. another do not add or subtract simular and the end of the book of prophecy (Revealtion) to not add to the now perfect both working as one loving law

 

[jeremiah1five]

It ts not "replacement" theology, it is NT fulfillment theology.
Authoritative NT apostolic teaching governs the meaning of the whole Bible.
There is only one word of God and, correctly understood, it is all in agreement with itself.
Any interpretation not in agreement with apostolic teaching is necessarily erroneous.

It's replacement theology when one asks "12th apostle. Matthias or Paul?"

The truth of the matter is Judas was listed in the gospels last, so it is received he was the 12th apostle. Not Matthias, not Paul.
And there is other apostles named in the NT. What number are they? 12th also when Matthias died?

 

[Mr GLee]

It ts not "replacement" theology, it is NT fulfillment theology.
Authoritative NT apostolic teaching governs the meaning of the whole Bible.
There is only one word of God and, correctly understood, it is all in agreement with itself.
Any interpretation not in agreement with apostolic teaching is necessarily erroneous.

There is only one good teaching master as the final authority The invisible head Christ

Mark 10:16-18King James Version16 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

He warns us of those who would seduce us to believe we do need sinful dying mankind to teach us.

 

[Eleanor]

It's replacement theology when one asks "12th apostle. Matthias or Paul?"

The truth of the matter is Judas was listed in the gospels last, so it is received he was the 12th apostle. Not Matthias, not Paul.
And there is other apostles named in the NT. What number are they? 12th also when Matthias died?

Apostolic teaching is authoritative to the church.
Judas had no authority whatsoever in God's church.

 

[Mr GLee]

Apostolic teaching is authoritative to the church.
Judas had no authority whatsoever in God's church.

Apostles have no authority of their own .

They are sent messengers.

Not highly venerable puffed up ones

The message the gospel has all of the authority.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Apostolic teaching is authoritative to the church.

Any authority in the Jewish Church Christ built and was building in the four decades after resurrection and until the destruction of the Jewish Temple centered around the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and the Prophets.
The New Covenant is merely the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled in Christ, the Son of God, Deliverer, Savior, Redeemer, and King of Israel, which is "Christ in you." By putting in the inward parts of born-again Jewish Christians God's Law (of Moses) this fulfilled Jeremiah 31 New Covenant prophecy. The kingdom of God comes not with observation, but the kingdom of God (Christ) is within you. This is the New Covenant. What was given to the children of Israel in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle written on stone is given to the children of Israel written on fleshly tables of the heart.
It there is no Old Covenant precedent then there is no New Covenant reality.
For this reason, Saul disappeared for 14-17 years to read and study the Hebrew Scripture being rabbi and Pharisee in order to learn, know, and understand the New Covenant era the children of Israel found themselves in after Pentecost. This is why the writers of the New Covenant from Matthew to Revelation all quote the Old Covenant Scripture as their authority to do just that. Matthew quotes the Old Covenant Scriptures in his gospel most. Then Saul.

Judas had no authority whatsoever in God's church.

Judas was given the same authority Jesus gave the other eleven disciples.

1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mt 10:1–5.

Again, you do not know what you're talking about.

 

[Mr GLee]

Any authority in the Jewish Church Christ built and was building in the four decades after resurrection and until the destruction of the Jewish Temple centered around the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and the Prophets.

All of Israel is not born again Israel. Some remained under the name Jacob "the deceiver".

The final authority of one not seen. . . is the husband Christ, the one good teaching master or Rabbi

His law. . . . All things writen in the law and prophets (sola scriptura)

Puffing up sent messengers (apostle's) above sola scriptura . Clearly a wile of the father of lies trying to move men to venerate dying flesh through "I heard it through the legion of dying fathers grape vine" the fall in Genesis .

God protecting the integrity as the one author and finisher of our new born again faith

1 Corinthian 4: 6=7 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure (parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Not a highly venerable religious word reserved for the venerable puffed up ones that lord it over the faith(understanding) of the non- venerable showtime watchers

I have raised 6 apostles 5 female one male .Sent them on mission ,like the supper market . How beautiful are their feet. Therefore sent with a written list not to add or substract from. Most of time they came through with flying colors no extras or subtractions and received a golden star on the calendar

Today I am my wife favorite little apostle .Peanut butter cookies my apostle reward .

Living Words have meaning.

Gods word informs us of the law (Deuteronomy 4:2) lovingly commands us do not change the meaning of one word ( danger, danger, danger) Not to add or subtract from a single word. Change the meaning, changing the authority of the true one author Christ the husband
.
Abel the first apostle sent with the gospel. . . first recorded martyr His blood continue to ctory out like al saints in the hope of a new incorruptible body .

 

[Eleanor]

Any authority in the Jewish Church Christ built and was building in the four decades after resurrection and until the destruction of the Jewish Temple centered around the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and the Prophets.
The New Covenant is merely the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled in Christ, the Son of God, Deliverer, Savior, Redeemer, and King of Israel, which is "Christ in you." By putting in the inward parts of born-again Jewish Christians God's Law (of Moses) this fulfilled Jeremiah 31 New Covenant prophecy. The kingdom of God comes not with observation, but the kingdom of God (Christ) is within you. This is the New Covenant. What was given to the children of Israel in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle written on stone is given to the children of Israel written on fleshly tables of the heart.
It there is no Old Covenant precedent then there is no New Covenant reality.
For this reason, Saul disappeared for 14-17 years to read and study the Hebrew Scripture being rabbi and Pharisee in order to learn, know, and understand the New Covenant era the children of Israel found themselves in after Pentecost. This is why the writers of the New Covenant from Matthew to Revelation all quote the Old Covenant Scripture as their authority to do just that. Matthew quotes the Old Covenant Scriptures in his gospel most. Then Saul.

Judas was given the same authority Jesus gave the other eleven disciples.

1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mt 10:1–5.

Again, you do not know what you're talking about.

Methinks the pot is calling the kettle black.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Methinks the pot is calling the kettle black.

So, you believe the false Gentile theology that after Judas committed suicide that Matthias REPLACED jim or the Paul REPLACED him?

Newsflash! Christ DOESN'T replace, Christ ADDS.

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:47.

Do you ever think for yourself, or do you just mimic what you read in Gentile theology books? You don't study on your part to search the Scripture in your own walk to be led by the truth of Scripture?

Let's use that grey matter between your ears:

If I want to build a house or a Temple or a Church, I start with one brick. Then, I replaced that brick with another brick. Then, I replaced that brick with another brick. Then I replaced that brick with another brick.
Do you see how stupid and insane that Gentile theology is?

The problem Jesus had with the Pharisees was not their doctrine. All they could understand without the Holy Spirit was letter of the Law while Jesus taught from the same Scripture the spirit of the Law. No, Jesus chastised them for exalting the traditions of the elders over the Word of God. The Pharisees and Jesus believed the same doctrine from Scripture.

 

[Eleanor]

So, you believe the false Gentile theology that after Judas committed suicide that Matthias REPLACED jim or the Paul REPLACED him?

Call it what you want.
That the church would have twelve apostles, the Holy Spirit appointed Matthias and
that the Gentiles would have an apostle, God called Paul.

Newsflash! Christ DOESN'T replace, Christ ADDS.

Who made that rule?

God subtracts (Ro 11:17) and God adds.