The 12th apostle: Matthias or Paul?

[Eleanor]

Thread question:​

Was Matthias or Paul the correct choice (by God) to replace Judas as the 12th apostle?​

Don't get too hung up by the number 12.
Remember that that 2 tribes (Ephraim & Manasseh) were added to Israel and yet Israel was always referred to as being 12 tribes, often excluding certain tribal names in the many times scripture listed the tribal names.

Where is Paul ever referred to as a replacement of Judas?

Twelve apostles and twelve tribes of Israel--complete symmetry.
Thirteenth apostle to the Gentiles.

 

[Fred]

What scripture says heb 9:10

Yes, He set things right.

 

[Tambora]

Where is Paul ever referred to as a replacement of Judas?

He's not.
Nor were Ephraim & Manasseh ever referred to as a replacement of any tribe.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Church takes on the role of spiritual Israel (?)

When the Holy Spirit of Promise was finally given to Israel as promised by God, natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel when 3000 Jews became born again on the day of Pentecost and Christ began to fulfill His promise to build His Church.
Gentiles are not spiritual Israel. That's a false Gentile teaching.

Both were removed for their rebellion against the Lord.

Kinda funny God would promise a New Covenant in Jeremiah to the House of Israel and Judah, send His Son to implement that New Covenant through His body and blood at the Passover meal among twelve Jews and say "My body (and blood) of the New Covenant is given FOR YOU."
Make Jesus out to be a liar.

 

[prism]

Since Matthias only takes up two verses in Acts 1 and left no teachings, the OP's question is rather moot.

 

[Mr GLee]

Kinda funny God would promise a New Covenant in Jeremiah to the House of Israel and Judah, send His Son to implement that New Covenant through His body and blood at the Passover meal among twelve Jews and say "My body (and blood) of the New Covenant is given FOR YOU."
Make Jesus out to be a liar.

That's real funny. LOL

When did God as our invisible head Chris become a respecter dying flesh and blood? Yesterday?

Remember dying mankind living in a body of dearth is working out the wage of sin. The appointment we are all keeping right on time

Sufferings the pangs of hell daily the wages of sin .

Yoked with our invisible head Christ's labor of love, called a work of His faith . The pangs of hell are made lighter with a future living hope beyond the grave No more Jew nor gentile, male nor female

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons (Dying mankind)

True or false God is or he is not? No limbo Mr. in between .

Is he trying to start a race war? Jews against the gentile? Or is it simply we do not wrestle against flesh and blood the temporal dying things see ? But do Christ in us wrestle against the unseen spiritual thing of Christ the invisible head, our husband.

Jesus said his dying flesh profits for nothing It is the Spirt that give spirt life .The invisible head, neither Jew no gentile

God is not a Jewish man as king of kings That's clearly a wile of the evil one he hates all flesh

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

According to your understanding ?

I think it means by the spiritual words of the Spirit Christ the invisible head... words that the speaks inspired form heaven , let there be and it was God alone good

Do we deny the law of Christ powerful faith ("let there be" and it was God alone good?

 

[Mr GLee]

Where is Paul ever referred to as a replacement of Judas?

Twelve apostles and twelve tribes of Israel--complete symmetry.
Thirteenth apostle to the Gentiles.

Twelve, a remnant of the whole .Twenty seven listed apostles in the new . Hundreds of apostles sent messengers in the old testament as Judges beginning with Abel our brother in the lord, The first listed prophet /apostle . . .martyr .

What is the spiritual understanding of twelve apostles? What are they set aside for, and why twelve tribes as gates to the city of Christ . Do tribes as gates and foundation walls work together to give us the gospel understanding. . or do we puff up the apostles above all thing written in the law and prophets(sola scriptura) Like a Catholic must?

Again why the remnant?

 

[Fred]

When the Holy Spirit of Promise was finally given to Israel as promised by God, natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel when 3000 Jews became born again on the day of Pentecost and Christ began to fulfill His promise to build His Church.
Gentiles are not spiritual Israel. That's a false Gentile teaching.

Kinda funny God would promise a New Covenant in Jeremiah to the House of Israel and Judah, send His Son to implement that New Covenant through His body and blood at the Passover meal among twelve Jews and say "My body (and blood) of the New Covenant is given FOR YOU."
Make Jesus out to be a liar.

You are still in denial of Acts 2:14.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/the-12th-apostle-matthias-or-paul.1104/page-3#post-40954

 

[jeremiah1five]

You are still in denial of Acts 2:14.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/the-12th-apostle-matthias-or-paul.1104/page-3#post-40954

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Acts 2:14.

What am I denying?
I understand what Luke recorded.
What do you see?

 

[Fred]

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Acts 2:14.

What am I denying?
I understand what Luke recorded.
What do you see?

post 52

 

[donadams]

Must be Mathias cos acts 2:14

Says Peter plus eleven that makes 12 even if you went to public school!

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Paul does not enter until acts 9

 

[Eleanor]

Twelve, a remnant of the whole .Twenty seven listed apostles in the new . Hundreds of apostles sent messengers in the old testament as Judges beginning with Abel our brother in the lord, The first listed prophet /apostle . . .martyr .

What is the spiritual understanding of twelve apostles? What are they set aside for, and why twelve tribes as gates to the city of Christ . Do tribes as gates and foundation walls work together to give us the gospel understanding. . or do we puff up the apostles above all thing written in the law and prophets(sola scriptura) Like a Catholic must?

Again why the remnant?

We "puff up" the NT which is the fulfillment of the OT.

Why the remnant in salvation?

 

[Mr GLee]

We "puff up" the NT which is the fulfillment of the OT.

Why the remnant in salvation?

I would offer. Its all together one book of law as it is writen in the law and prophets


Remnant of the apostles. 27 listed in the new testament . What was the purpose? Why twelve seeing the first will be last vice versa. No pecking order

 

[Eleanor]

I would offer. Its all together one book of law as it is writen in the law and prophets.

And I would say it is one book of salvation in Jesus Christ through faith.
Law was given simply to reveal sin, not to save (Ro 3:20-21), which has always been only by faith (Ge 15:6, Eph 2:8-9).

Remnant of the apostles.

I'm going with Jesus' appointments in Mk 3:14.

27 listed in the new testament . What was the purpose? Why twelve seeing the first will be last vice versa. No pecking order

Peter is presented as their spokesman.
John is presented as the one Jesus loved.

 

[Mr GLee]

And I would say it is one book of salvation in Jesus Christ through faith.
Law was given simply to reveal sin, not to save (Ro 3:20-21), which has always been only by faith (Ge 15:6, Eph 2:8-9).

I'm going with Jesus' appointments in Mk 3:14.

Peter is presented as their spokesman.
John is presented as the one Jesus loved.

Why 12 out of 27 ?

 

[jeremiah1five]

post 52

And post 52 says?

 

[Fred]

And post 52 says?

Then you need to learn how to read.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Then you need to learn how to read.

Dude, I’m not going to chase down threads. If you have something to say be a man a say it.

 

[Mr GLee]

When the Holy Spirit of Promise was finally given to Israel as promised by God, natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel when 3000 Jews became born again on the day of Pentecost and Christ began to fulfill His promise to build His Church.
Gentiles are not spiritual Israel. That's a false Gentile teaching.

Amen. God calls all spiritual believers a "Jew" pertaining to the eternal Spirit not seen Not all Israel are True Jews . . born again of Holy Spirit Christ filled. Some remined under unconverted Jacob (deceiver) the name before conversion. .

Remember God defines His words as they are writen (sola scriptura)

Romans 2:27-29 Easy-to-Read Version You have the written law as to the letter (death) and circumcision, but you break the law. So those who are not circumcised in their bodies, but still obey the law, will show that you are guilty.You are not a true Jew if you are only a Jew in your physical body. True circumcision is not only on the outside of the body. A true Jew is one who is a Jew inside. True circumcision is done in the heart. It is done by the Spirit, not by the written law.(death) And anyone who is circumcised in the heart by the Spirit gets praise from God, not from people.

Remember it the goal of the father of lies to say that God is Jewish man (dying flesh and blood) man as King of kings.

After the time of reformation (1st century) many outward Jew were trusting the dying flesh could profit, even though in regard to the dying flesh of jesus the Son of man, declared it ' profits for Zero

They tried to use there birth certificate and photo ID to try and join the Christian ( residence of the city of Christ prepared his bride named after her husband Christ .The inward spiritual Jew the new name the Father named His bride in Acts

Revelation 2:9“I know your troubles, and I know that you are poor, but really you are rich! I know the insults you have suffered from people who say they are Jews. But they are not true Jews. They are a group that belongs to Satan. ( after Jacob the deceiver. )

Revelation 3:9 Listen! There is a group that belongs to Satan. They say they are Jews, but they are liars. They are not true Jews. I will make them come before you and bow at your feet. They will know that you are the people I have loved.

The word Jacob (deciever) is used 389 times indicates those who need salvation .

Psalm 24:5-7Easy-to-Read Version5 Good people ask the Lord to bless others. They ask God, their Savior, to do good things.They try to follow God. They go to the God of Jacob for help. Selah . . . . . not to Jacob dying mankind

Isaiah 8:17 The Lord has turned away from the family of Jacob. But I will wait for him. I trust that he will come to save us.

Isaiah 9:8 The Lord gave a command against Jacob and someone in Israel fell.

 

[Fred]

Dude, I’m not going to chase down threads. If you have something to say be a man a say it.

Dude, I am not going to repeat myself over and over when I already refuted your false belief.

If your too lazy to go back and read that is your problem, not mine.