Synergism

[Eternally-Grateful]

Then, it's never done quite right!

Yes, I think we all have our own theology..

 

[ReverendRV]

Then, it's never done quite right!

Sure you have; for instance, the Hypostatic Union...

Every bit of that Doctrine is as True as any Verse in the Bible...

 

[Hazelelponi]

In a way, your arrangements are like those of my 'Calvinistic' thinking before I ran into Calvinism proper. I didn't arrange Salvation and Sanctification into separate doctrines, though I did see Salvation, and Regeneration in particular, as a separate category from Sanctification in the mode of God's Spirit working in man. TULIP helped me firm that up, and see monergism more clearly, in that the Reformed don't consider Sanctification as monergistic. But I hesitate to say that it is Synergistic.

One important use of Doctrine isn't just how it helps one think, but how one can get the facts across to others--particularly to those who are 'on the fence'.

Your correct that I can't differentiate between salvation and sanctification.

I have been considering why and it dawned on me the problem is my view of time.

i take my sanctification from the future - not the present. That's probably the problem I face.

I take everything from the future, because He said the future is promised, so I believed it and started taking everything from the promises.

There's no maybe in my world, even when I doubt myself I don't doubt God.

 

[brightfame52]

RC Sproul said Sanctification is Synergistic. If it's Synergistic, then the Perseverance of the Saints is Synergistic. Justification through Faith Alone is Synergistic too then. The only things which are Monergistic are Unconditional Election and Regeneration...

Calvinists; if the Liberty of the Will is established as a Secondary Causation, then Faith is Synergistic...

Faith is given in and with regeneration so its monergistic initially, its not part of the natural man.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Your correct that I can't differentiate between salvation and sanctification.

I have been considering why and it dawned on me the problem is my view of time.

i take my sanctification from the future - not the present. That's probably the problem I face.

I take everything from the future, because He said the future is promised, so I believed it and started taking everything from the promises.

There's no maybe in my world, even when I doubt myself I don't doubt God.

This is our hope

He not only promised us a future with him
But a fire free of sin

And a future of no suffering and death

This is why paul looked at all h3e endured as a momentary light afflicion

With out the hope we place our faith in, we would have no real ability today to endure even slight suffering let alone all the world throw as at is

 

[Hazelelponi]

I feel the same way (odd as that may sound to you)

Amen, Like my nic, Eternally-Grateful for the unimaginable and priceless gift he poured out on me.

Amen

It’s no different really in those who are out in the middle of the ocean with no hope. No means of saving themselves. Desperate and hopeless when God reaches his hand out to them to rescue them, reach up so he can take their hand a rescue (save them) because they trust him.

They did not co-operate either.

Now they could have rejected his help. Denied he was even there. Or refused to trust him and they would have been left in their same state.

He who believe is not condemned,

He who does nto believe is condemned already.

Thank you sis. Your example here I hope has helped shed some light on what I believe..

Thank you for sharing your position and thoughts. Though we disagree on some issues here, it's helpful as we discuss in the future.

God bless you and your family.

 

[Carbon]

RC Sproul said Sanctification is Synergistic. If it's Synergistic, then the Perseverance of the Saints is Synergistic. Justification through Faith Alone is Synergistic too then. The only things which are Monergistic are Unconditional Election and Regeneration...

Calvinists; if the Liberty of the Will is established as a Secondary Causation, then Faith is Synergistic...

I think if Sproul took the time to explain the details of what he believed concerning sanctification you might see it differently. But even so, no one understands everything. So many people, I believe, loosely said, sanctification is a joint work of God and man. Something in which God and man cooperate, each doing a part of the work necessary to make a person progressively more pure and holy.
I'd say. if that be the case, it could hardly be maintained that we are saved by grace alone. And man could finally give himself some credit for his final arrival in heaven.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Thank you for sharing your position and thoughts. Though we disagree on some issues here, it's helpful as we discuss in the future.

God bless you and your family.

Thank you. God bless you and yours also.

We do not have to agree with everything to be brother and sister in christ.

 

[Carbon]

Faith is given in and with regeneration so its monergistic initially, its not part of the natural man.

So, once faith is given, man then can work with God in sanctification? Really?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I think if Sproul took the time to explain the details of what he believed concerning sanctification you might see it differently. But even so, no one understands everything. So many people, I believe, loosely said, sanctification is a joint work of God and man. Something in which God and man cooperate, each doing a part of the work necessary to make a person progressively more pure and holy.
I'd say. if that be the case, it could hardly be maintained that we are saved by grace alone. And man could finally give himself some credit for his final arrival in heaven.

I can not remember where it is at. But I seem to remember, we will remove our crowns and lay them at the feet of Jesus. For only he is worthy

 

[Carbon]

For only he is worthy

Indeed

 

[brightfame52]

So, once faith is given, man then can work with God in sanctification? Really?

Once Faith is given He believes. So who believes ?

 

[ReverendRV]

I think if Sproul took the time to explain the details of what he believed concerning sanctification you might see it differently. But even so, no one understands everything. So many people, I believe, loosely said, sanctification is a joint work of God and man. Something in which God and man cooperate, each doing a part of the work necessary to make a person progressively more pure and holy.
I'd say. if that be the case, it could hardly be maintained that we are saved by grace alone. And man could finally give himself some credit for his final arrival in heaven.

The Bible example of God and Man both doing something, is Jesus Christ himself. He Suppressed the Expression of his Deity in order to live on the level of an Unfallen Adam through the strength of a Man. We give Christ the credit for Keeping the Mosaic Covenant as a Man; not as God...

 

[brightfame52]

@Carbon

So many people, I believe, loosely said, sanctification is a joint work of God and man. Something in which God and man cooperate, each doing a part of the work necessary to make a person progressively more pure and holy.

Now this is error, man has nothing to do with making himself Holy, thats accomplished by the Death of Christ, and He is our sanctification/holiness 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
By His Death the elect are perfected forever Heb 10:10

14 or by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[Carbon]

Once Faith is given He believes.

Of course.

So who believes ?

The regenerate.


Will you answer my question now?

 

[brightfame52]

@ReverendRV

. We give Christ the credit for Keeping the Mosaic Covenant as a Man; not as God...

Correct, and who did He do it for ?

 

[brightfame52]

Of course.

The regenerate.


Will you answer my question now?

What question ? I have probably already answered it

 

[ReverendRV]

@ReverendRV



Correct, and who did He do it for ?

The Unconditionally Elected...

 

[Carbon]

The Bible example of God and Man both doing something, is Jesus Christ himself. He Suppressed the Expression of his Deity in order to live on the level of an Unfallen Adam with the strength of a Man. We give Christ the credit for Keeping the Mosaic Covenant as a Man; not as God...

This is one of the worst examples I have ever seen someone use to prove synergism in sanctification. Jesus is God, and He didn't live a perfect holy life to sanctify Himself. And you say this is a bible example?

 

[Carbon]

What question ? I have probably already answered it

Nvm then.