Romans 9 from a free will prespective

[David1701]

Ohhh ... Ohhhh .... Pick Me ... I know the answer to that one, too! [... but I will give someone else a chance.]

I didn't see fastfredy's post until after I'd posted mine. In any case, he's fast and I'm not.

 

[fastfredy0]

RE: Say a 1282 North American Indian for example. What would that Indian do (or have done to him) to be saved?

Ohhh ... Ohhhh .... Pick Me ... I know the answer to that one, too!

They (people like WONDERING usually throw Romans 1 at me ... how they apply it I never can understand.

 

[atpollard]

RE: Say a 1282 North American Indian for example. What would that Indian do (or have done to him) to be saved?

They (people like WONDERING usually throw Romans 1 at me ... how they apply it I never can understand.

True Dat ... but not me.
Romans 1 ends badly for those particular people:

"Of course you know there is a God ... that makes you EVEN MORE GUILTY!!!!"

 

[fastfredy0]

..... ponders .. .maybe there's another method to get to heaven ... I hope the universalists are correct and I got that doctrine wrong

 

[David1701]

so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Acts 17:27 NKJV

Acts 17:27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us

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Yes, but they don't, do they (and God knows that)? God softens whom he will and hardens whom he will. God has to open the heart for someone to believe the gospel (as well as get the gospel to that person in the first place).

 

[David1701]

..... ponders .. .maybe there's another method to get to heaven ... I hope the universalists are correct and I got that doctrine wrong

Yikes! I hope you were being sarcastic!

Acts 4:12 (KJV) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 14:6 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Rom. 10:13-15 (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

 

[makesends]

God gives All a chance at Life, the Bible teaches it...

I hope you mean something more like, "opportunity", though I would debate even that. There is no such thing as "chance". That is a human construction.

 

[ReverendRV]

I hope you mean something more like, "opportunity", though I would debate even that. There is no such thing as "chance". That is a human construction.

That's what I mean...

I'm a 5-Point Calvinist...

 

[fastfredy0]

Re: Say a 1282 North American Indian for example. What would that Indian do (or have done to him) to be saved?
Where does the bible say everyone has a chance at Life (meaning heaven I assume)?

so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Acts 17:27 NKJV

So how does a 1282 N.A. indian seek God that he might be saved? (this assume anyone seeks God which Romans 3:17 suggests strongly to me)

 

[fastfredy0]

Yikes! I hope you were being sarcastic!

I don't believe in universalism. But, I would not mind being wrong as that would mean I have a 100.000% change of going to heaven.

 

[ReverendRV]

Re: Say a 1282 North American Indian for example. What would that Indian do (or have done to him) to be saved?
Where does the bible say everyone has a chance at Life (meaning heaven I assume)?

So how does a 1282 N.A. indian seek God that he might be saved? (this assume anyone seeks God which Romans 3:17 suggests strongly to me)

She would seek God wrongly but she would seek him...

so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Acts 17:27 NKJV

Acts 17:27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us

bible.com

Is this God's Hope or the world's hope? That's the question..

 

[fastfredy0]

There is no such thing as "chance". That is a human construction.

Yeah, no such thing as "chance" or "luck" from God's perspective.
Maybe "chance" from our perspective is us guessing at God ordained. *giggle*

 

[David1701]

I don't believe in universalism. But, I would mind being wrong as that would mean I have a 100.000% change of going to heaven.

If Jesus died for you and you believe in him, then you have a 100% chance of going to heaven; if not, then you have zero chance. Actually, chance is not involved...

 

[David1701]

She would seek God wrongly but she would seek him...

so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Acts 17:27 NKJV

Acts 17:27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us

bible.com

Is this God's Hope or the world's hope? That's the question..

I think that that's the Lord accommodating to our language. He doesn't have wishful thinking; and he works all thing according to the counsel of his own will.

It leaves people without excuse, since it's their sin that prevents them from finding God.

 

[fastfredy0]

Is this God's Hope or the world's hope? That's the question..

God never 'hopes' for anything ... He always gets His way. *giggle*
... I'm not sure what the depraved world hopes for

 

[David1701]

God never 'hopes' for anything ... He always gets His way. *giggle*
... I'm not sure what the depraved world hopes for

Ha! Now I got my post in first.

 

[fastfredy0]

If Jesus died for and you believe in him, then you have a 100% chance of going to heaven; if not, then you have zero chance. Actually, chance is not involved...

100% agreed .... just saying in my imaginary world of make-believe I would not mind being wrong.
Like, in my imaginary world I wouldn't mind finding a billion$ under my pillow tonight, but I sure I won't ..... *maybe if I invited Elon Musk for an over night .... ah, probably not*

 

[fastfredy0]

Ha! Now I got my post in first.

You da MAN!

 

[David1701]

100% agreed .... just saying in my imaginary world of make-believe I would not mind being wrong.
Like, in my imaginary world I wouldn't mind finding a billion$ under my pillow tonight, but I sure I won't ..... *maybe if I invited Elon Musk for an over night .... ah, probably not*

Yes ... but, should we not want what God wants and mind if we get it wrong?

 

[ReverendRV]

God never 'hopes' for anything ... He always gets His way. *giggle*
... I'm not sure what the depraved world hopes for

Jesus is LORD, and he wanted to gather Jerusalem under his Wings; but they would not. I think God does Hope All will be Saved; and I'm a 5-Point Calvinist...