Rom 8:29

[JIM]

The Ezekiel chapter is about abusing the concept, but it is core to the faith: Gen 15. God imputed His own righteousness to Abraham bc he believed the Promise, Gal 3.

From Shakespeare to Austen , it is an essential concept in Christian Western literature and economy without which we would be in reduced circumstances.

God imputing His righteousness to man is grace, praise God.

God imputing to one man another man's sin would be evil, Praise God, He doesn't do that.

 

[LeviR]

I am not Catholic. And there is no such that as immortal in this physical universe (Mat 10:28)

With respect to the spirit of man,

Job 32:8 But it is the spirit in man, the breath of the Almighty, that makes him understand.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel: Thus declares the LORD, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him:

Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Clearly the spirit of man is from God, Himself.

When God breathed the breath of life into man, man was given the ability to understand. It can be said that the mind or spirit of man allows him to understand.

The spirit in man is also what gives man the ability to move about and be lively. It gives him all the ability his body and brain can accomplish. Without the breath of life, the man is dead.

The body is made alive by the breath or spirit of God. When the man dies, he returns to dust, but the breath God has given him returns to God. The breath or spirit God gave to man is not the person or the man. The man or human returns to dust.

Flesh and blood humans have flesh and blood babies. Flesh and blood babies cannot inherit the kingdom of God. They must be raised from the dead by the Spirit and be called spirits by having spiritual bodies free from sin and corruption. They are not immaterial but tangible. They can enter the presence of God without shame of having flesh of sin. Their flesh is without sin. And therefore clothed in white linen.

 

[LeviR]

God imputing His righteousness to man is grace, praise God.

God imputing to one man another man's sin would be evil, Praise God, He doesn't do that.

God doesn’t imputed Adam’s sin to anyone except Adam. The sin of Adam came from his fleshy desire to take the fruit rather than believe God. That’s called coveting.
What is pass to all others is not Adam’s actual sin but the same flesh with it’s own desires. The sinful nature and condemnation of that nature is passed to all, not the transgression.

 

[EarlyActs]

God imputing His righteousness to man is grace, praise God.

God imputing to one man another man's sin would be evil, Praise God, He doesn't do that.

Adam's sin was imputed. That's why a very moral non-Christian person is just as much in need of Christ as the scandalous pot dealer.

 

[EarlyActs]

God doesn’t imputed Adam’s sin to anyone except Adam. The sin of Adam came from his fleshy desire to take the fruit rather than believe God. That’s called coveting.
What is pass to all others is not Adam’s actual sin but the same flesh with it’s own desires. The sinful nature and condemnation of that nature is passed to all, not the transgression.

It's both, Rom 5B.

btw, all sin, when viewed in the past tense, is debt. The imputed sin problem is that we start infinitely handicapped with debt.

 

[LeviR]

It's both, Rom 5B.

btw, all sin, when viewed in the past tense, is debt. The imputed sin problem is that we start infinitely handicapped with debt.

Our problem is that we start with the flesh nature that is of itself sinful. By no fault of our own. It is simply our misfortune. We have flesh that cares nothing about any laws. “The fleshly mind is not subject to the law of God, nor can it be”.
The fleshly body with its fleshly mind only wants what it wants and is not subject to any law. If not controlled it we seek after and take all that it can.
It takes knowledge of this in order to control the fleshly desires. If not, sin is waiting for you.

“But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.” 1 Cor 9:27

 

[EarlyActs]

Our problem is that we start with the flesh nature that is of itself sinful. By no fault of our own. It is simply our misfortune. We have flesh that cares nothing about any laws. “The fleshly mind is not subject to the law of God, nor can it be”.
The fleshly body with its fleshly mind only wants what it wants and is not subject to any law. If not controlled it we seek after and take all that it can.
It takes knowledge of this in order to control the fleshly desires. If not, sin is waiting for you.

“But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.” 1 Cor 9:27

But historically and doctrinally, the debt situation is even more controlling. There are very moral pagans out there. Paul himself was very moral as a Judaizer, but there was not love and grace.

How do you render the 2 Cor 5 verse about the righteousness that is imputed to us as far as that sin which was already imputed to us and had to be reversed. God made Christ to be sin/a sin offering, so that we could become the righteousness of God in Him (notice, not in ourselves, but as far as debt goes.) This was resolved in the Christ event in history (provided we believe), not inside us. Of course, naturally, it has great side-effects.

 

[prism]

This is referring to those identified in the previous verse, Romans 8:28, namely, those who love God.

Are we called because we love God or do we love God because we are called?
IOW, how much love must one exhibit before they are called?

 

[prism]

Mere coincidence? —I think not!!! predestination!!!

Who? What? Where? Why? whaa?

 

[JIM]

God doesn’t imputed Adam’s sin to anyone except Adam. The sin of Adam came from his fleshy desire to take the fruit rather than believe God. That’s called coveting.
What is pass to all others is not Adam’s actual sin but the same flesh with it’s own desires. The sinful nature and condemnation of that nature is passed to all, not the transgression.

No one is condemned because of a sinful nature. They are condemned only for sin they commit.

 

[JIM]

Adam's sin was imputed. That's why a very moral non-Christian person is just as much in need of Christ as the scandalous pot dealer.

Absolutely NOT!!!!

 

[EarlyActs]

Absolutely NOT!!!!

I don't take your word for anything. We are here to know the text.

 

[JIM]

Are we called because we love God or do we love God because we are called?
IOW, how much love must one exhibit before they are called?

We are called because we love God. That is what Romans 8:28-30 is saying.

 

[JIM]

I don't take your word for anything. We are here to know the text.

Right back atcha!

 

[LeviR]

But historically and doctrinally, the debt situation is even more controlling. There are very moral pagans out there. Paul himself was very moral as a Judaizer, but there was not love and grace.

How do you render the 2 Cor 5 verse about the righteousness that is imputed to us as far as that sin which was already imputed to us and had to be reversed. God made Christ to be sin/a sin offering, so that we could become the righteousness of God in Him (notice, not in ourselves, but as far as debt goes.) This was resolved in the Christ event in history (provided we believe), not inside us. Of course, naturally, it has great side-effects.

If you are to referring to reconciliation, it means that all past sins are forgiven when we are baptized into Christ and become new creatures in him and to walk in newness of life. Yet we are still in the flesh. And when we sin again, we asked for forgiveness through our mediator, the man Jesus Christ.

 

[LeviR]

No one is condemned because of a sinful nature. They are condemned only for sin they commit.

Perhaps you don’t know that the law was given only to the Jews. Gentiles were never under God’s laws. The only law they are under is the law of sin and death whereby Adam’s sin caused the death of everyone. Because everyone shares the same nature he did when he sinned.
Before the law came, men died without having the law. That’s because of their sinful nature which has been condemned by God through Adam.
When Christ came, being under the law, with that same nature, he personally did not commit sin, and therefore God accepted his sacrifice and condemned the sinful nature on the cross. So we must look to him to be saved. Rom 8:1-5

Otherwise we remain under the condemnation brought by Adam’s sin when death past to all of mankind because of our sinful nature. We will die and return to dust, end of story.

 

[prism]

We are called because we love God. That is what Romans 8:28-30 is saying.

Going on, did He predestinate those who love Him?...and what does it mean by 'conformed to the image of His Son'?

Romans 8:29 KJV
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 

[LeviR]

Going on, did He predestinate those who love Him?...and what does it mean by 'conformed to the image of His Son'?

Romans 8:29 KJV
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Isn’t Paul speaking of those who have died and rest in hope to be conformed into the image of His son that they may be sons of God being sons of the resurrection?

 

[makesends]

No one is condemned because of a sinful nature. They are condemned only for sin they commit.

Their every thought is corrupted with sin. With every breath they rebel. Read Romans 8 again. They are unable to please God. Sin.

 

[makesends]

Who? What? Where? Why? whaa?

Don't make me go back and look at the thread again! Lol, sorry if I took you wrong, but you butted in with something that I took to be a parallel to what I was answering someone else with. You said you had just answered someone else on that subject, and I was like, "Wow, cool!" Oh well.