Rom 8:29

[Odë:hgöd]

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The Jehovah's Witnesses claim Jesus body is no longer human, i.e. it is now
composed of spirit material instead of physical material.

Well, if so; that might become a bit of a paradox for the JWs in the future
because Jesus will be capable of dining upon ordinary foods and beverages.

● Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until
that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

● Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I
suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of
God.

● Luke 22:28-30 . .You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; and I
make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a
kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom.
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[prism]

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The Jehovah's Witnesses claim Jesus body is no longer human, i.e. it is now
composed of spirit material instead of physical material.

Well, if so; that might become a bit of a paradox for the JWs in the future
because Jesus will be capable of dining upon ordinary foods and beverages.

● Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until
that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

● Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I
suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of
God.

● Luke 22:28-30 . .You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; and I
make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a
kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom.
_

Maybe Jesus was fasting here in His post resurrection appearance?

John 21:12-13 ESV
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." Now none of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord. [13] Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and so with the fish.

 

[makesends]

Maybe Jesus was fasting here in His post resurrection appearance?

John 21:12-13 ESV
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." Now none of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord. [13] Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and so with the fish.

So, the takeaway from this thread is, finally, that Jesus, even resurrected, liked fish and bread. Amen, I say!

 

[prism]

So, the takeaway from this thread is, finally, that Jesus, even resurrected, liked fish and bread. Amen, I say!

I was just responding to Odë:hgöd's post on JW's view of the resurrected 'phantom' Jesus.

 

[makesends]

I was just responding to Odë:hgöd's post on JW's view of the resurrected 'phantom' Jesus.

Mere coincidence? —I think not!!! predestination!!!

 

[LeviR]

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The Jehovah's Witnesses claim Jesus body is no longer human, i.e. it is now
composed of spirit material instead of physical material.

Well, if so; that might become a bit of a paradox for the JWs in the future
because Jesus will be capable of dining upon ordinary foods and beverages.

● Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until
that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

● Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I
suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of
God.

● Luke 22:28-30 . .You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; and I
make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a
kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom.
_

The JW’s say Jesus dematerialized on his way to heaven. What’s the purpose of that? Why even resurrect a body in the first place?

Oh, I get it. They think Jesus existed without a body before he took on one. In that case he could materialize into anything he wanted. Like a dog or a horse or a snake.

But then he would no longer be in the image of God.

 

[LeviR]

The JW’s say Jesus dematerialized on his way to heaven. What’s the purpose of that? Why even resurrect a body in the first place?

Oh, I get it. They think Jesus existed without a body before he took on one. In that case he could materialize into anything he wanted. Like a dog or a horse or a snake.

But then he would no longer be in the image of God.

But isn’t it said “a body thou has prepared for me”?

Yes, but it’s not the body of death that he was first born with, it’s the body he was raised with. The one that never dies.
Jesus is also preparing a body for those who love him and keep his commandments. You get it also by resurrection.

 

[JIM]

But isn’t it said “a body thou has prepared for me”?

Yes, but it’s not the body of death that he was first born with, it’s the body he was raised with. The one that never dies.
Jesus is also preparing a body for those who love him and keep his commandments. You get it also by resurrection.

The body Jesus was raised with was the same body he was crucified with. The body we shall receive upon resurrection is the same body, the spiritual body, that He was ascended with. It is not a physical body. It is not a material body. It is spiritual. And in truth, we have no real idea of what that could even be.

 

[LeviR]

The body Jesus was raised with was the same body he was crucified with. The body we shall receive upon resurrection is the same body, the spiritual body, that He was ascended with. It is not a physical body. It is not a material body. It is spiritual. And in truth, we have no real idea of what that could even be.

It’s called a spiritual body because it’s free from sin and corruption, not because it’s immaterial.

 

[JIM]

Romans 8:29 KJV
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Is this referring to Jesus? If so, why would it say 'conformed to the image of His Son?

This is referring to those identified in the previous verse, Romans 8:28, namely, those who love God.

Rom 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

The "working together for good" is then described by verses 29 and 30. It begins with God's foreknowledge of those who would love Him, and proceeds from there to the predestining, the calling, the justifying and the glorifying.

 

[JIM]

It’s called a spiritual body because it’s free from sin and corruption, not because it’s immaterial.

You know that how? Please provide the passages in scripture that describe the spiritual body. Jesus' body was always free from sin. Even so it is never called or referred to as a spiritual body.

1Co 15:50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Clearly it is not a body of flesh and blood. And given that there is nothing material that we know of that is imperishable we must conclude that it is immaterial.

 

[LeviR]

You know that how? Please provide the passages in scripture that describe the spiritual body. Jesus' body was always free from sin. Even so it is never called or referred to as a spiritual body.

1Co 15:50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Clearly it is not a body of flesh and blood. And given that there is nothing material that we know of that is imperishable we must conclude that it is immaterial.

Jesus’ body was NOT free of sin, he was, he personally did not sin. Every person sinned in Adam. Every son of man(Adam). Rom 5, Rom 7

There are basically two types of sin. There is sin in the flesh Rom 8:3 and transgression of the law. 1 John 3 The sin that belongs to the flesh comes from the desires of the flesh. It is those desires of the flesh that cause transgressions. James 1:13-16
Jesus was mortal because Adam’s sin caused all man to be mortal.

The flesh that man is raised with is free from the condemnation, sin and corruption brought by Adam. It therefore lives forever.

 

[JIM]

Jesus’ body was NOT free of sin, he was, he personally did not sin. Every person sinned in Adam. Every son of man(Adam). Rom 5, Rom 7

That is a seriously wrong interpretation of Romans 5 and 7. How anyone could even think for a second that God would impute the sin of one to another is untenable. In fact, He directed Ezekiel to devote an entire chapter, chapter 18, to dispel that seriously false idea.

 

[Mr GLee]

The body Jesus was raised with was the same body he was crucified with. The body we shall receive upon resurrection is the same body, the spiritual body, that He was ascended with. It is not a physical body. It is not a material body. It is spiritual. And in truth, we have no real idea of what that could even be.

We do know it will be neither male nor female. . Jew nor gentile. . and will never age as in dying.

God is not a racist nor a misogynist

 

[Mr GLee]

The JW’s say Jesus dematerialized on his way to heaven. What’s the purpose of that? Why even resurrect a body in the first place?

Amen. .

It is needed to support their reincarnation doctrine. A chance at a identity change .Just imgaine Poof. . WOK up . Lefties losing it. No spiritual understanding. .Glorying in the dying flesh. . fools. .

Satan the king of identity theft.. I will ascend to the clouds and be the invisible God.

Just like the Catholics and Mormons. teaching the second ressurection has come and therefore they await thier new corruptible carnal bodies.

The first Century reformation opening of the graves. The letter of the law death could no longer hold them . Opening the ressurection gates. They will close at the time of second ressurection (the wake up call) . Time to wake up my beautiful bride . The end has come.

Nothing changing nothing. Full blown Gnosticism.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith (Understanding of God not seen ) of some.

The ressurection (a rising again. . .born again ) is on the last twinkling of the eye day. It has not appeared .We are still under the Sun the temporal time keeper winding down to the last day.

Dying mankind must be "born again, resurrected from above"

 

[David Lamb]

So, the takeaway from this thread is, finally, that Jesus, even resurrected, liked fish and bread. Amen, I say!

That's funnier than you meant it to be to us in the UK, because here, we use "Takeaway" for what I thing in the States is called a "Takeout" - a meal that you have delivered, or you collect.

 

[Mr GLee]

That is a seriously wrong interpretation of Romans 5 and 7. How anyone could even think for a second that God would impute the sin of one to another is untenable. In fact, He directed Ezekiel to devote an entire chapter, chapter 18, to dispel that seriously false idea.

The word dead defined according to the letter of the living law death (Bible) Is to die and earthly sinful bodies return to dust and the temporal spirit given under the letter (thou shalt not) returns to the father of all spirit life .

Mankind became a slave to the will of . . . . . . . and neither shall you touch .False prophecy. Adding to prophecy

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Jesus the Son of man said of his own dying flesh it profits for zero. What does profit is the Spirit quickening breathing spirit life in our new born again soul

John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I (of the father) speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 6: 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Peter confessed Christ. Peter prophesying to whom can we go you have the living words of the father words of eternal life.

Look to the eternal things not seen " let there be" (faith as power) Not that what the eyes see temporal historical. . alone . They must be mixed if we desire the gospel the honey enriched understanding.

 

[EarlyActs]

That is a seriously wrong interpretation of Romans 5 and 7. How anyone could even think for a second that God would impute the sin of one to another is untenable. In fact, He directed Ezekiel to devote an entire chapter, chapter 18, to dispel that seriously false idea.

The Ezekiel chapter is about abusing the concept, but it is core to the faith: Gen 15. God imputed His own righteousness to Abraham bc he believed the Promise, Gal 3.

From Shakespeare to Austen , it is an essential concept in Christian Western literature and economy without which we would be in reduced circumstances.

 

[LeviR]

That is a seriously wrong interpretation of Romans 5 and 7. How anyone could even think for a second that God would impute the sin of one to another is untenable. In fact, He directed Ezekiel to devote an entire chapter, chapter 18, to dispel that seriously false idea.

First of all, if you believe as the RCC claims, that God breathed an immortal soul into Adam at his creation, then you have serious problems with the entire Bible.
I speak from experience.
Adam was not given an immortal soul, he became a living soul. And Paul directly proves it. The RCC speaks in contradiction with Paul.

Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The verb means “to become”. The man formed from the ground became a living soul. There is no verb there meaning “given”. Man was NOT given Ann immortal soul. Besides, “immortal soul” is found nowhere in the all of Scripture.

Paul proves Gen 2:7 to be correct and the RCC to be wrong again.

1Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Adam certainly was not GIVEN an immortal soul, he became or came to be a living soul. All of Adam became a living soul.

Listen, we might get somewhere in an intelligent discussion, however, if you can’t get pass the false teaching of the RCC, then we would just be speaking past one another.

 

[JIM]

First of all, if you believe as the RCC claims, that God breathed an immortal soul into Adam at his creation, then you have serious problems with the entire Bible.
I speak from experience.

I am not Catholic. And there is no such that as immortal in this physical universe (Mat 10:28)

With respect to the spirit of man,

Job 32:8 But it is the spirit in man, the breath of the Almighty, that makes him understand.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel: Thus declares the LORD, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him:

Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Clearly the spirit of man is from God, Himself.