Question for Arminians and Calvinists on foreknowledge

[civic]

I don't believe Jesus was ever tempted to be a homosexual, transgender, and a myriad of other particular and specific sins. I don't think this is what "tempted in all points" means.

I believe the being tempted in "all points like we are" had to do with being tempted by "the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life" method (1 John 2:16).

This seems to match the Matthew 4 temptation in the wilderness scenario which He passed without fail.

My point was just as I’m personally not tempted to entertain homosexual thoughts or consider them neither was Jesus with any particular sin as a thought or consideration .

 

[praise_yeshua]

Pay attention. Civic hasn't been Moderated yet; and he's able to get his message across...

Pay attention to you? Is that what you're asking me to do. I wasn't being inflammatory.

 

[civic]

That is what is being contrasted here. No one had to say it. It is a natural contrast in the discussion.

I would not say "suppressed". I would say "veiled". You can see veiled as a sort of suppression but it means more. I think Civic would agree with me here in the context of a broader establishment of Hypostatic Union.

I also use veiled or that as Philippians says set aside His rights/ privileges to use His Deity to His own advantage in obedience to the Father, His state of humility . He considered the needs of others as more important.

 

[Eleanor]

Doesn't desire it? Desire is will.

Not quite.
I strongly desire not to be cut on by the dermatologist, but I will to do so nevertheless.

Why you trying to treat them differently?

You're literally saying that Jesus had the inclination to reject the will of the Father. When what you're quoting shows that He didn't.

Are you sure about that?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not quite.
I strongly desire not to be cut on by the dermatologist, but I will to do so nevertheless.
Why you trying to treat them differently?

You're literally saying that Jesus had the inclination to reject the will of the Father. When what you're quoting shows that He didn't.

Are you sure about that?
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Yes. You said that Christ desired NOT to suffer. That is what you said.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I also use veiled or that as Philippians says set aside His rights/ privileges to use His Deity to His own advantage in obedience to the Father, His state of humility . He considered the needs of others as more important.

I believe we have spent enough time debate this among ourselves to know what the each other is thinking. We may disagree at time to time but we understand one another.

 

[ReverendRV]

That is what is being contrasted here. No one had to say it. It is a natural contrast in the discussion.

I would not say "suppressed". I would say "veiled". You can see veiled as a sort of suppression but it means more. I think Civic would agree with me here in the context of a broader establishment of the Hypostatic Union.

So you would say Jesus Veiled the expression of his Deity in order to live on the level of an Unfallen Adam?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not quite.
I strongly desire not to be cut on by the dermatologist, but I will to do so nevertheless.
Why you trying to treat them differently?

You're literally saying that Jesus had the inclination to reject the will of the Father. When what you're quoting shows that He didn't.

Are you sure about that?
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Also, I'm not saying that Christ didn't have contrary thoughts. Such is the nature of humanity. Desire is a different issue.

 

[praise_yeshua]

So you would say Jesus Veiled the expression of his Deity in order to live on the level of an Unfallen Adam?

At the Transfiguration, no. There were times Christ fully displayed Divinity among humanity....

John said... We beheld HIS GLORY..... GLORY in flesh. (Emphasis. Not yelling.. )

 

[Eleanor]

Yes. You said that Christ desired NOT to suffer. That is what you said.

How would you interpret the prayer in the Garden that if it be possible to let the cup pass from him, and the sweating of literal blood?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not quite.
I strongly desire not to be cut on by the dermatologist, but I will to do so nevertheless.

Are you sure about that?

I hope I haven't offended you. I want to make sure you know I'm not trying to be offensive. I appreciate the conversation.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes. You said that Christ desired NOT to suffer. That is what you said.

How would you interpret the prayer in the Garden that if it be possible to let the cup pass from him, and the sweating of literal blood?
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As an indication of choice. A choice wherein He expressed His own will in Union with the Father. We wouldn't know if He hadn't of said it and someone recorded it. Jesus often did things to spark our own choices. He was dealing with us. Our Advocate. Our loving Savior. I don't see it as an indication of inclination to reject His own will in agreement with the Father.

 

[ReverendRV]

At the Transfiguration, no. There were times Christ fully displayed Divinity among humanity....

John said... We beheld HIS GLORY..... GLORY in flesh. (Emphasis. Not yelling.. )

Amen!

But for the purpose of living the Life Adam should have lived, he became Flesh...

There's more to him becoming Flesh than first thought; he Veiled the EXPRESSION of his Deity without ceasing to be Deity...

 

[praise_yeshua]

Amen!

But for the purpose of living the Life Adam should have lived, he became Flesh...

There's more to him becoming Flesh than first thought; he Veiled the EXPRESSION of his Deity without ceasing to be Deity...

As a long you indicate that even when veiled... There were none like Him brother. None like Him.... I believe you have.

 

[Ritajanice]

Are you sure about that?

Yes. You said that Christ desired NOT to suffer. That is what you said.
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Luke 22:42

As Jesus prays in the Garden of Gethsemane, his first request is for his father to “take this cup of suffering away from me” (22:42)

 

[Eleanor]

I hope I haven't offended you. I want to make sure you know I'm not trying to be offensive. I appreciate the conversation.

The moderator took care of that.

 

[civic]

Are you sure about that?Also, I'm not saying that Christ didn't have contrary thoughts. Such is the nature of humanity. Desire is a different issue.

Exactly it was not a battle in His mind like it is in ours .

 

[ReverendRV]

As a long you indicate that even when veiled... There were none like Him brother. None like Him.... I believe you have.

It's why I use the word Suppressed instead of Veiled. Jesus had to live like a Man; and his Deity was like an Engine that has a governor to limit it. This is more than Veiling an Engine under a Hood...

NASCAR uses Restrictor Plates....

 

[Eleanor]

Also, I'm not saying that Christ didn't have contrary thoughts. Such is the nature of humanity. Desire is a different issue.

What do you think he was expressing in his prayer in the Garden when asked, if it be possible, to let the cup pass from him?

 

[civic]

It's why I use the word Suppressed instead of Veiled. Jesus had to live like a Man; and his Deity was like an Engine that has a governor to limit it. This is more than Veiling an Engine under a Hood...

I would qualify that as self governed by Him