Question for Arminians and Calvinists on foreknowledge

[praise_yeshua]

Did Jesus Veil/Suppress his Impeccability? Does this explain why he was able to die?

He "tasted" death. He willing gave His flesh to death. "He became sin", to me doesn't indicate corruption. He became the results of sin.

 

[ReverendRV]

I'm not separating the two. I see no need to seperate them. It can be both. In fact, I think a proper view requires both. 100 percent God and 100 percent man.

Why not?

who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Philippians 2:6 NASB1995

Philippians 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped | New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995) | Download The Bible App Now

who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped

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[Ritajanice]

Show me submitting? Where is submitting in that verse?

I said...he submitted to the will of the Father....Jesus asked the Father to take his suffering away...if his will was as one as you say it was...why did he ask to have his suffering taken away?

His will was not in line with the Father’s then was it!?

I’m here to learn...I don’t know it all....in fact I know little...just getting my teeth into everything as I LOVE this civilised forum...Praise God for it...I look forward to learning on here.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Why not?

who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Philippians 2:6 NASB1995

Philippians 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped | New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995) | Download The Bible App Now

who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped

bible.com

I don't see anything there that would require I change what I stated. I'm not entirely sure what you're appealing to in that verse.

 

[ReverendRV]

He "tasted" death. He willing gave His flesh to death. "He became sin", to me doesn't indicate corruption. He became the results of sin.

Well, it seems he had to suppress his Omnipotence; for our Properties to be truly Communicated to him. IE our Peccability...

 

[praise_yeshua]

I said...he submitted to the will of the Father....Jesus asked the Father to take his suffering away...if his will was as one as you say it was...why did he ask to have his suffering taken away?

There is no submission here. His will and the Father are One. Perfect and always in Union. The Incarnation didn't change that.

I realize that I'm saying things contrary to what you've been told.

It is clear from the Scriptures that Jesus hated the shame that the cross would bring Him. However, this wasn't something NEW to Jesus. He knew it before He ever came into this world. He was suffering at that moment from the shame. He was expressing Unity with the Father. Not expressing His own WILL to NOT suffer.

 

[Ritajanice]

There is no submission here. His will and the Father are One. Perfect and always in Union. The Incarnation didn't change that.

I realize that I'm saying things contrary to what you've been told.

It is clear from the Scriptures that Jesus hated the shame that the cross would bring Him. However, this wasn't something NEW to Jesus. He knew it before He ever came into this world. He was suffering at that moment from the shame. He was expressing Unity with the Father. Not expressing His own WILL to NOT suffer.

Ok, if that’s the answer to my question....you’re entitled to what “ you” believe to be the word of God.

I will leave it there.

 

[ReverendRV]

I don't see anything there that would require I change what I stated. I'm not entirely sure what you're appealing to in that verse.

You know me, I am appealing to theology. We are on the TheologyBoards. I often say that people use the desire for a Verbatim Verse as a shield from Theology...

 

[ReverendRV]

I don't see anything there that would require I change what I stated. I'm not entirely sure what you're appealing to in that verse.

You know me, I am appealing to theology. We are on the TheologyBoards. I often say that people use the desire for a Verbatim Verse as a shield from Theology...

 

[ReverendRV]

I don't see anything there that would require I change what I stated. I'm not entirely sure what you're appealing to in that verse.

You know me, I am appealing to theology. We are on the Theology Boards. I often say that people use the desire for a Verbatim Verse as a shield from Theology...

 

[praise_yeshua]

Well, it seems he had to suppress his Omnipotence; for our Properties to be truly Communicated to him. IE our Peccability...

One of the very important facets of Omnipotence is NOT taking action. Longsuffering is a quality of Divinity. The contrary will of men is not pleasing to God. However, that displeasure is not reflective of God's nature.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You know me, I am appealing to theology. We are on the TheologyBoards. I often say that people use the desire for a Verbatim Verse as a shield from Theology...

I'm not afraid of theology. I just don't understand why it requires a singular view.

 

[Ritajanice]

One of the very important facets of Omnipotence is NOT taking action. Longsuffering is a quality of Divinity. The contrary will of men is not pleasing to God. However, that displeasure is not reflective of God's nature.

Long suffering is a quality of divinity.....as in a Born Again.....

 

[ReverendRV]

I'm not afraid of theology. I just don't understand why it requires a singular view.

Jesus is the second Adam. He had to keep the Covenant of works as a man. You Civic and I agree that Jesus suppressed or veiled the expression of his deity in order to live as a man Adam....

 

[praise_yeshua]

Ok, if that’s the answer to my question....you’re entitled to what “ you” believe to be the word of God.

I will leave it there.

Okay. I see a struggle with no inclination to deviate from His stated will. We can struggle with things like "shame" with EVERY intent to suffer to accomplish our desired goal.

 

[Ritajanice]

Okay. I see a struggle with no inclination to deviate from His stated will. We can struggle with things like "shame" with EVERY intent to suffer to accomplish our desired goal.

I haven’t got a clue what you are saying here...I’ll let you have the last word ...

 

[praise_yeshua]

Jesus is the second Adam. He had to keep the Covenant of works as a man. You Civic and I agree that Jesus suppressed or veiled the expression of his deity in order to live as a man Adam....

I disagree. Where do you get the requirement to keep the "Covenant of works"? The quality of Divinity is what made Him acceptable to God. Not some "covenant of works". It was all about relationship.

Jesus's disciples broke the letter of the Sabbath and Jesus told the crowd that complained that HE was LORD over the Sabbath. What He said goes. Not what they thought about what happened.

 

[ReverendRV]

I disagree. Where do you get the requirement to keep the "Covenant of works"? The quality of Divinity is what made Him acceptable to God. Not some "covenant of works". It was all about relationship.

Jesus's disciples broke the letter of the Sabbath and Jesus told the crowd that complained that HE as LORD over the Sabbath. What He said goes. Not that they thought about what happened.

I do not intend to change the topic of the discussion, and get in trouble with the Administration...

 

[praise_yeshua]

I haven’t got a clue what you are saying here...I’ll let you have the last word ...

Jesus hated the shame of the cross..... more than hated it. It was contrary to His nature.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I do not intend to change the topic of the discussion, and get in trouble with the Administration...

Okay. I was just giving an example. We can talk about it some other time.... somewhere else. Thanks