I can agree. I do believe some treat temptation as requiring inclination. Christ Incarnation never had a "slant" or "propensity" toward sin. That require a deviant nature that is contrary to God.
Of course there is perfect union, in what way does the Holy Spirit doing the will of the Father and the Son imply lack of unity?
I would have to disagree that Adam's immortal body never existed, even though it was decreed that he would fall. He was made able to fall and given the temptation. This goes into another subject already addressed elsewhere, but as an aside that does not mean that God was the one who tempted. It suggests to me a challenge made by the tempter similar to what we see in Job.
Yeah, well I always back away in revulsion at any statement that classifies Jesus as created.
Though I think I understand what you mean. It is the word created that when in reference to Jesus can be highly misleading. I prefer to think of it as the Son taking on flesh as Jesus the man. He just is and just did.His body of flesh was His human nature.
You are the one that created a potential separation of wills. Not me. You made the Holy Spirit subservient to the Father.... which implies division.
It's a two-way street, requiring both to be subjects.
Our resurrected body will not be subject to sin first because it will not longer have the nature to sin in it, and second, there will be no sin around us or tempting us. But in your view were we created----before the fall---with the same body as Christ's resurrected body?
Sez who?
And "seem" is a perception.
Well it was just an expression that related to the forbidding of the drinking of blood or eating an animal with the blood in it is the way that I took it.
I'm wondering what difference there could be as the result of peccability and impeccability.Our resurrected body will not be subject to sin first because it will not longer have the nature to sin in it, and second, there will be no sin around us or tempting us. But in your view were we created----before the fall---with the same body as Christ's resurrected body?
I am not sure if I am addressing what you said/meant or commenting sideways of it.
It could just mean that He lived in the same sinful world and faced the same temptations we do. As we see in His temptation in the wilderness. The temptations were there but they were external only (just as they were with Adam and Eve). In the case off fallen man they are both external and internal. The external tempts and the internal desires what is tempted. Jesus did not have that conflict within Him as we do. He had one desire. To obey the Father even unto death, that He might Redeem His people from their sins---and that nature to sin.
Thanks for that perspective.
That is temptation on the part of the tempter.
Which doesn't mean he didn't desire it, as in the Garden of Gethsemane, where he most definitely desired it, making it an actual temptation to him, and which is the meaning of being tempted, as Eve desired it, which was the nature of her, and all, temptation.
Who said anything about deviating the Will? Civic agrees Jesus suppressed the expression of his Deity, in order to live on the level of an Unfallen Adam...
Pay attention. Civic hasn't been Moderated yet; and he's able to get his message across...
What word would you suggest I use to describe the facts presented by the NT in post #133.
