Psalm 72 - The Kingdom of God Soon to be Established on Earth

[EarlyActs]

Solomon's foundation stone of that physical temple was a type of the later "chief cornerstone" which was Christ with his finished crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension on that day. The physical type pointed forward in time to the coming spiritual anti-type. ALL the OT Mosaic rituals and laws did this. Everything - even down to the furniture and what it was composed of - portrayed a spiritual fulfillment by Christ and His actions on our behalf.

Was that the question? I don't think so.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Was that the question? I don't think so

You mentioned that Solomon's temple was "off center". Actually, it was. It only pointed forward in time to the spiritual temple Christ would build. Christ as the foundation stone of that spiritual temple IS the "center". He established the kingdom of God on earth.

 

[Red Baker]

If you are a preterist, and your statements align with that, why have you in other places said you were amil/idealist? Your views do not fit that at all.

Sir, 3 Resurrections is a full blooded preterist, with a historical view on many points~ a student of Josephus, well sorta, he did say his book is right beside him when he's working on the computer.

I'm the amill/idealist maybe you are thinking of.

 

[Red Baker]

What archaeological evidence would that be?

Sister, there is none! It is called "wishful thinking" they are constantly looking for extra biblical support to support their doctrine, since they have none, or very little at most, from the scriptures.

I like 3 Resurrections as a person, since we once worshipped together many years ago~I was his "big brother"~ But, it is clear that we have gone our separate ways. There a huge gulf between us two now which seems it will never get smaller.

 

[Arial]

Sir, 3 Resurrections is a full blooded preterist, with a historical view on many points~ a student of Josephus, well sorta, he did say his book is right beside him when he's working on the computer.

I'm the amill/idealist maybe you are thinking of.

Yes. It was a confusing of posters on my part. I apologize for doing so.

 

[EarlyActs]

3Rs,
why is your title about the establishment being soon?

 

[EarlyActs]

Psalm 72 - The Kingdom of God Soon to be Established on Earth

Psalm 72 (KJV - with headings added)
A Psalm for Solomon

The King's Son
1 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king’s son.
2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment.
3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness.

The Blessings of His Reign
4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
6 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.
7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.

A World-Wide Kingdom
8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.
9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.

The Nations Pay Homage
10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
12 For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.
13 He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy.
14 He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight.
15 And he shall live, and to him shall be given of the gold of Sheba: prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised.

The Earth Bountiful
16 There shall be an handful of corn in the earth upon the top of the mountains; the fruit thereof shall shake like Lebanon: and they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth.
17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.

The Whole World Filled with His Glory
18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.
19 And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen.
20 The prayers of David the son of Jesse are ended.

Psalm 72 is another clear evidence that the Scriptures teach that the Kingdom of God will be established upon the earth at the return of Jesus. This final public prayer of David, although addressed to Solomon, looks beyond his time to the greater son of David, Jesus Christ, who will return to establish his Kingdom on earth, replacing the present kingdoms of men Daniel 2:44. Luke records the words that Gabriel spoke to Mary concerning Jesus' future rule
Luke 1:32-33 (KJV): 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Jesus will reign over the "house of Jacob" when he returns and "turns away ungodliness from Jacob" Romans 11:26.

The promises made to David concerning his son and David's throne are recorded in 2 Samuel 7:12-16. They state also that God would be his Father, and this is shown in its fulfillment in Luke 1:35, Jesus is the Son of God. This is the qualification for Jesus to be heir over God's dominion, God's kingdom, not only because he is God's Son by birth, but he revealed all the qualities of God's character, wisdom and love during his ministry, suffering and crucifixion. These qualities now coupled with all that he has received in his resurrection and exaltation are what is needed to fulfill Psalm 72 in the Kingdom of God, soon to be established upon the earth Genesis 1:26, Psalm 8:6, Isaiah 2:1-4, Daniel 2:35,44, Matthew 11:25-30, 21:37-38, 42-44, Acts 3:19-21.

Kind regards
Trevor

Sorry 3Rs, I thought you were the OP!

 

[EarlyActs]

WE are currently in that New Heavens and New Earth. You aren't catching the time-relevance of Hebrews 12:26 in which God had "NOW" promised to shake not only the earth, but also heaven, so that what could not be shaken would remain. That word "NOW" applied to the first-century readers of Hebrews 12:26 - not us today.

Isaiah 65's and 2 Peter 3's NHNE was not describing the eternal state. The presence of sinners and the death of sinners and the godly were still going to take place within that NHNE. Also the birth of children, which is NOT a feature of the eternal state. Also prayers to God being heard, which would not even be necessary if we were in His presence in an after-life existence.

You are forced to do this, 3Rs, by not factoring the delay. Notice how 2 P 3 says it is not here, not on this earth. You can certainly taste it, and I have seen some arguments that 'the new creation' of 2 Cor 5:17 is actually Christ himself (which is true relative to Judaism, but not empirical).

 

[Eleanor]

Sister, there is none! It is called "wishful thinking" they are constantly looking for extra biblical support to support their doctrine, since they have none, or very little at most, from the scriptures.

I like 3 Resurrections as a person, since we once worshipped together many years ago~I was his "big brother"~ But, it is clear that we have gone our separate ways. There a huge gulf between us two now which seems it will never get smaller.

That is some of the most contra-NT thinking I have ever seen.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Sir, 3 Resurrections is a full blooded preterist, with a historical view on many points~ a student of Josephus, well sorta, he did say his book is right beside him when he's working on the computer.

Red, I have been on Full Preterist sites as a member before, and my same views as I've presented them here were rejected there as being "Futurist" by those posting on that site.
Full Preterists do not accept that a bodily resurrection of any kind takes place for the believers. I believe scripture teaches no less and nomore than three of such bodily resurrection events.
Full Preterists do not accept that there is a culmination point for humanity in the future. I do. It will be in 3033 at the time of year the Feast of Tabernacles used to be observed. Not soon at all.
Full Preterists do not believe there are any prophecies at all to be fulfilled in our future. I don't agree. The Revelation 10:4 sealed up prophecies that the 7 thunders uttered were future after AD 70. So is Zechariah 14:16-19. And other texts.
Full Preterists do not believe the Revelation 20 millennium was a literal thousand years. I do. Fulfilled between 968/967 BC and AD 33.
The Full Preterists that I have encountered do not believe that the entire Satanic realm was destroyed in AD 70. I do believe the scripture teaches this.
I don't fit in your category.

You are forced to do this, 3Rs, by not factoring the delay. Notice how 2 P 3 says it is not here, not on this earth

I don't disregard the delay. But we apparently don't agree at which point on the timeline that delay takes place. In Revelation's "at hand" prophecies which were "about to" take place after John was given those visions, Revelation 10:6 has the angel lift his hand to heaven and pronounce that "there shall be delay no longer". That was at the point of the sixth trumpet, with the 7th trumpet following quickly after that with the time of the dead for being judged and rewarded.

Up until that time of the last 7th trumpet, the "delay" of 2 Peter 3 had been going on, with the scoffers not believing that Christ's coming was rapidly approaching.

 

[Red Baker]

Red, I have been on Full Preterist sites as a member before, and my same views as I've presented them here were rejected there as being "Futurist" by those posting on that site.
Full Preterists do not accept that a bodily resurrection of any kind takes place for the believers. I believe scripture teaches no less and nomore than three of such bodily resurrection events.
Full Preterists do not accept that there is a culmination point for humanity in the future. I do. It will be in 3033 at the time of year the Feast of Tabernacles used to be observed. Not soon at all.
Full Preterists do not believe there are any prophecies at all to be fulfilled in our future. I don't agree. The Revelation 10:4 sealed up prophecies that the 7 thunders uttered were future after AD 70. So is Zechariah 14:16-19. And other texts.
Full Preterists do not believe the Revelation 20 millennium was a literal thousand years. I do. Fulfilled between 968/967 BC and AD 33.
The Full Preterists that I have encountered do not believe that the entire Satanic realm was destroyed in AD 70. I do believe the scripture teaches this.
I don't fit in your category.

I know your very small differences, you have mentioned that to me before around three years ago, or, so. Yet, I still consider folks like you a full pledged Presterist.

My son and I have differences on many things, even look different to a degree, yet he is my full blooded son, the similarities can be easily recognized~I even jest to my wife once~honey, tell me, it may not hurt me too much now but Brandon and I are so different I'm convinced he's not mine~she wisely said~you will loss that battle, he's so much like you in every way! The same is true with you and your look alike so much brothers in the Preterist camp.

Their eschatology is dangerous to speak mildly. They "rubber stamp" the scriptures in so many places~FULFILLED 70 A.D.! A system that will leave many of their followers and themselves unprepared for the antichrist spirit that has been here from the beginning, but will accelerate during the little season of Revelation 20~spoken of by Daniel, first, then Christ, Paul, and then John.

 

[3 Resurrections]

I know your very small differences, you have mentioned that to me before around three years ago, or, so. Yet, I still consider folks like you a full pledged Presterist.

These are hardly "very small differences" between Full Preterists and myself. You might want to throw all Preterists together into one bag, but in reality there are as many differences between them as other denominations have between themselves.

Their eschatology is dangerous to speak mildly. They "rubber stamp" the scriptures in so many places~FULFILLED 70 A.D.! A system that will leave many of their followers and themselves unprepared for the antichrist spirit that has been here from the beginning, but will accelerate during the little season of Revelation 20~spoken of by Daniel, first, then Christ, Paul, and then John.

This is not even the Preterist's "rubber stamp"; it is CHRIST'S "rubber stamp" given in Luke 21:36 (YLT) "Watch ye, then, in every season, praying that ye may be accounted worthy to escape ALL these things that are ABOUT TO come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." That list of "ALL things" which Christ had just mentioned from Luke 21:8 until Luke 21:35 included all the coming catastrophes in that first century which the disciples would experience, up to and including Christ's second coming.

If I said that I was "about to get up and get a cup of coffee", you would not think it would take me 2,000 years and more to get that mug in my hand. But again, when someone decides that the KJV is the only version that is acceptable to read, they are crippled in their understanding of these very basic time-relevant terms which are translated more accurately from the Greek in the literal translations.

 

[EarlyActs]

Red, I have been on Full Preterist sites as a member before, and my same views as I've presented them here were rejected there as being "Futurist" by those posting on that site.
Full Preterists do not accept that a bodily resurrection of any kind takes place for the believers. I believe scripture teaches no less and nomore than three of such bodily resurrection events.
Full Preterists do not accept that there is a culmination point for humanity in the future. I do. It will be in 3033 at the time of year the Feast of Tabernacles used to be observed. Not soon at all.
Full Preterists do not believe there are any prophecies at all to be fulfilled in our future. I don't agree. The Revelation 10:4 sealed up prophecies that the 7 thunders uttered were future after AD 70. So is Zechariah 14:16-19. And other texts.
Full Preterists do not believe the Revelation 20 millennium was a literal thousand years. I do. Fulfilled between 968/967 BC and AD 33.
The Full Preterists that I have encountered do not believe that the entire Satanic realm was destroyed in AD 70. I do believe the scripture teaches this.
I don't fit in your category.


I don't disregard the delay. But we apparently don't agree at which point on the timeline that delay takes place. In Revelation's "at hand" prophecies which were "about to" take place after John was given those visions, Revelation 10:6 has the angel lift his hand to heaven and pronounce that "there shall be delay no longer". That was at the point of the sixth trumpet, with the 7th trumpet following quickly after that with the time of the dead for being judged and rewarded.

Up until that time of the last 7th trumpet, the "delay" of 2 Peter 3 had been going on, with the scoffers not believing that Christ's coming was rapidly approaching.

Pretty labyrinthine. I'm just dealing with the most obvious and rational questions. The worldwide judgement did not happen right after the 1st cent events, Mt 24:29. That's the delay.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The worldwide judgement did not happen right after the 1st cent events, Mt 24:29. That's the delay.

Not according to John in Revelation 10:6. That time of the sixth trumpet judgment, the angel swore that "There shall be delay no longer", ending with the time when the dead were judged and rewarded at the 7th trumpet in Revelation 11:18. All these things, including that judgment of the dead, John said were "at hand" in his generation (Revelation 1:3 and Revelation 22:10).

Paul agreed with John. He told Timothy that the Lord Jesus Christ was "about to judge the living and the dead at his appearing and His kingdom" (2 Timothy 4:1.) This was written just before Paul's martyrdom in AD 67.

 

[EarlyActs]

Not according to John in Revelation 10:6. That time of the sixth trumpet judgment, the angel swore that "There shall be delay no longer", ending with the time when the dead were judged and rewarded at the 7th trumpet in Revelation 11:18. All these things, including that judgment of the dead, John said were "at hand" in his generation (Revelation 1:3 and Revelation 22:10).

Paul agreed with John. He told Timothy that the Lord Jesus Christ was "about to judge the living and the dead at his appearing and His kingdom" (2 Timothy 4:1.) This was written just before Paul's martyrdom in AD 67.

That last one is part of understanding the delay: Lattourrette: all the apostles expected this world to end right after the DofJ. When it didn't, they simply carried on with evangelism.

What I don't get from what I read from you is that a non-symbolic passage like 2 Peter 3 or I Cor 7 seems to mean nothing. You are the counterpart to the futurist D'ist obsession with working out symbols. The ordinary statements of 2 P 3 or I C 7 (The form of this world is coming to an end) are like nowhere in your thinking. I C 7 is not based on festival-dating, moon-dating, days in Daniel , symbolism, nor nothing. It just says the same as above: they were expecting the end of the world and the start of the next.

Did marriage end in 70? Taxes? Business? Anything he mentioned in the normal, real world? Not that I know of.

 

[EarlyActs]

Don't base anything on the Rev that you can't easily support from an ordinary-written passage.

 

[3 Resurrections]

What I don't get from what I read from you is that a non-symbolic passage like 2 Peter 3 or I Cor 7 seems to mean nothing. You are the counterpart to the futurist D'ist obsession with working out symbols. The ordinary statements of 2 P 3 or I C 7 (The form of this world is coming to an end) are like nowhere in your thinking. I C 7 is not based on festival-dating, moon-dating, days in Daniel , symbolism, nor nothing. It just says the same as above: they were expecting the end of the world and the start of the next.

Did marriage end in 70? Taxes? Business? Anything he mentioned in the normal, real world? Not that I know of.

After the flood in Noah's day, the globe was still in existence, but conditions were appreciably changed from before the flood. Rainfall from then on, for one thing. The curse on the ground removed for another. The death of all the hybrid angel / human giants that were present in those days. These were real, physical changes, and spiritual changes as well. But the planet didn't get annihilated - just changed drastically from the conditions of its former state.

This example of the changes brought by Noah's flood in 2 Peter 3 was being compared to the drastic changes that were coming soon in that generation, which took place by the close of the AD 66-70 era.
The world was no longer subject to the control of angels (such as the divine council which God had been using since the days of Peleg), as Hebrews 2:5 said was coming for the world.
The Satanic realm was entirely destroyed from existence.
The transportation of all the bodily-resurrected righteous to heaven with Christ took place.
All the obsolete remnants of the OC worship system were burned and / or torn down to the last stone.
The New Jerusalem coming down to earth was revealed as the unshaken kingdom of God in this world.
The NHNE conditions were established. This included blessings on harvests, planting, building houses, children being born, God hearing prayers even before they were made, and the formerly-alienated "clean" and "unclean" nations feeding together in God's holy mountain.
Marriage did not end, nor businesses, nor agriculture, according to the NHNE terms in Isaiah 65:17-25. There were real, physical changes, and spiritual changes as well. But the planet again did not get annihilated - just changed drastically from its former state, as Hebrews 1:10-12 said would happen in the conditions of the world to come, of which Hebrews 2:5 spoke.

This is what Paul and John were speaking of concerning "the fashion of this world passes away..." (1 Corinthians 1:7), and "the world is passing away..." in that "last hour" (1 John 2:17-18). They did not mean the planet would be annihilated - just "changed", as Hebrews 2:10-12 said.

 

[EarlyActs]

After the flood in Noah's day, the globe was still in existence, but conditions were appreciably changed from before the flood. Rainfall from then on, for one thing. The curse on the ground removed for another. The death of all the hybrid angel / human giants that were present in those days. These were real, physical changes, and spiritual changes as well. But the planet didn't get annihilated - just changed drastically from the conditions of its former state.

This example of the changes brought by Noah's flood in 2 Peter 3 was being compared to the drastic changes that were coming soon in that generation, which took place by the close of the AD 66-70 era.
The world was no longer subject to the control of angels (such as the divine council which God had been using since the days of Peleg), as Hebrews 2:5 said was coming for the world.
The Satanic realm was entirely destroyed from existence.
The transportation of all the bodily-resurrected righteous to heaven with Christ took place.
All the obsolete remnants of the OC worship system were burned and / or torn down to the last stone.
The New Jerusalem coming down to earth was revealed as the unshaken kingdom of God in this world.
The NHNE conditions were established. This included blessings on harvests, planting, building houses, children being born, God hearing prayers even before they were made, and the formerly-alienated "clean" and "unclean" nations feeding together in God's holy mountain.
Marriage did not end, nor businesses, nor agriculture, according to the NHNE terms in Isaiah 65:17-25. There were real, physical changes, and spiritual changes as well. But the planet again did not get annihilated - just changed drastically from its former state, as Hebrews 1:10-12 said would happen in the conditions of the world to come, of which Hebrews 2:5 spoke.

This is what Paul and John were speaking of concerning "the fashion of this world passes away..." (1 Corinthians 1:7), and "the world is passing away..." in that "last hour" (1 John 2:17-18). They did not mean the planet would be annihilated - just "changed", as Hebrews 2:10-12 said.

Nonsense. No basis in the cataclysm at all. "The divine council which God had been using..." What a mess. Can't spend any time on it.

 

[donadams]

The kingdom came two thousand years ago!

Matt 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings donadams,

The kingdom came two thousand years ago!
Matt 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

My tentative answer to this is that if the children of Israel had accepted Jesus then the Kingdom of God would have been established then and there. But they rejected him, and it was obvious that only a few disciples accepted Jesus. But there is abundant evidence that the "Kingdom" mainly refers to a future Kingdom which Jesus will establish when he returns as per Psalm 72 and many other references.

Kind regards
Trevor