Prevenient grace, or preparatory grace?

[Carbon]

Prevenient grace. or preparatory grace?

Is prevenient grace taught in scripture?
Do some reformed mistake preparatory grace for prevenient grace?

Personally, I do not believe prevenient grace is in scripture.

And preparatory grace, if misunderstood can seem to be prevenient grace.

Thoughts?

 

[Mr GLee]

Prevenient grace. or preparatory grace?

Is prevenient grace taught in scripture?
Do some reformed mistake preparatory grace for prevenient grace?

Personally, I do not believe prevenient grace is in scripture.

And preparatory grace, if misunderstood can seem to be prevenient grace.

Thoughts?

I would think all one in the same. Our first love. Both hearing God and being empowered to believe yoked with him empowers us to make our daily burdens lighter.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

The love we return to and do the first works of His Spirit working in us . . believe. . . again and have the power to return to do or finish.

Revelation 2:4-6 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

 

[atpollard]

What do you call the grace where God just “Shows mercy on whom He will show mercy” without stoping to ask our thoughts on the matter? (Like Saul on the road to Damascus or Lazarus when he was laying in his tomb.)

 

[Carbon]

What do you call the grace where God just “Shows mercy on whom He will show mercy” without stoping to ask our thoughts on the matter? (Like Saul on the road to Damascus or Lazarus when he was laying in his tomb.)

Irresistible grace.

What would you call it?

 

[makesends]

Irresistible grace.

What would you call it?

So what is 'preparatory' grace?

 

[Carbon]

So what is 'preparatory' grace?

I believe it involves God's calling a sinner. Preparation engages sinners with the law but not with legalism. The convincing use of the law is central to preparation for faith.

Calvin wrote: "Therefore the law summons all the world before God, not one except[ed]: it condemns all the children of Adam. Now seeing God thunders against us, we must needs run to that mercy which is offered unto us in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Perkins said: First the law prepares us by humbling us: then comes the gospel, and it stirs up faith.

He wrote this on Gal 3:24.
The law, especially the moral law, urgeth and compelleth men to go to Christ, for it shows us our sins, and that without remedy: it shows us the damnation what is due onto us: and by this means, it makes us despair of salvation in respect of ourselves: and thus it enforceth us to seek for help out of ourselves in Christ. The law is then our schoolmaster not by the plain teaching, but by stripes and correction.

The law serves the gospel by showing that we cannot be justified by the law.

Can you see how this preparatory grace is different than prevenient grace?

 

[Mr GLee]

What do you call the grace where God just “Shows mercy on whom He will show mercy” without stoping to ask our thoughts on the matter? (Like Saul on the road to Damascus or Lazarus when he was laying in his tomb.)

Those are good examples of our first love. . . God's labor of love giving us his new spirit by which we can believe in a God not seen revealed through his living word.

I would offer. Faithless powerless Thomas is used to demonstrate a work of faith or called a labor of love in action. Thomas missed the action when it was demonstrated with the 11 others. And demanded to see hand and feet. It was proof he had no faith coming from the living word of God.. Then the Father gave words to the Son of man Jesus the breath of new born --again life. . . . . be not faithless.

Our Father in heaven lovingly commanding Thomas not to be faithless (no trust in a God not seen) but rather he empowers Thomas to believe as a confession of faith . . . "my Lord and God" realizing it was the Father working with the Son of man, Jesus. Two is the one witness God spoke the confession of faith.


John 20:24-28 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.Then saith he (Christ) to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas
answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Thomas no longer sought after signs to wonders after before he could believe. Many did know Christ working in the flesh of Jesus the Son of man . When he left the door closed. One demonstration of the two working together was all that was promised.

 

[Mr GLee]

I believe it involves God's calling a sinner. Preparation engages sinners with the law but not with legalism. The convincing use of the law is central to preparation for faith.

Calvin wrote: "Therefore the law summons all the world before God, not one except[ed]: it condemns all the children of Adam. Now seeing God thunders against us, we must needs run to that mercy which is offered unto us in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Perkins said: First the law prepares us by humbling us: then comes the gospel, and it stirs up faith.

He wrote this on Gal 3:24.
The law, especially the moral law, urgeth and compelleth men to go to Christ, for it shows us our sins, and that without remedy: it shows us the damnation what is due onto us: and by this means, it makes us despair of salvation in respect of ourselves: and thus it enforceth us to seek for help out of ourselves in Christ. The law is then our schoolmaster not by the plain teaching, but by stripes and correction.

The law serves the gospel by showing that we cannot be justified by the law.

Can you see how this preparatory grace is different than prevenient grace?

It would seem like six of one a half dozen of the other.

I would offer the school master is our Father. If he began the good teaching work in us, he promises he will continue till we take our last breath.

Open book test for slow learner like my self

Philippians 1:6King James Version6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

No easy three step lesson but rather lifelong Those foolish Galatians in chapter 3 who said there is no God in their hearts they were reprimanded by the school master. LOL They repented of their childish way. Back to the classroom, stay after, no cell phone.

 

[ReverendRV]

Prevenient grace. or preparatory grace?

Is prevenient grace taught in scripture?
Do some reformed mistake preparatory grace for prevenient grace?

Personally, I do not believe prevenient grace is in scripture.

And preparatory grace, if misunderstood can seem to be prevenient grace.

Thoughts?

What's Prepatory Grace?

 

[Eleanor]

Prevenient grace. or preparatory grace?

Is prevenient grace taught in scripture?
Do some reformed mistake preparatory grace for prevenient grace?

Personally, I do not believe prevenient grace is in scripture.

And preparatory grace, if misunderstood can seem to be prevenient grace.

Thoughts?

Wanna' define the terms so we are talking about the same thing?

Do we have any basis for that nomenclaure in Scripture?

 

[Carbon]

Wanna' define the terms so we are talking about the same thing?

Do we have any basis for that nomenclaure in Scripture?

Post #6 ?

 

[ReverendRV]

Post #6 ?

Ray Comfort realized the Law was necessary before the Gospel; or the Gospel was Moot...

This is something Provisionists don't realize. If they did, they will have to reject Total Ability...

 

[Carbon]

Ray Comfort realized the Law was necessary before the Gospel; or the Gospel was Moot...

This is something Provisionists don't realize. If they did, they will have to reject Total Ability...

Just have to be careful how far we push it. There is absolutely nothing, neither law or gospel that man would submit to. Only by an act of God is salvation.

 

[Carbon]

Ray Comfort realized the Law was necessary before the Gospel; or the Gospel was Moot...

This is something Provisionists don't realize. If they did, they will have to reject Total Ability...

Ray comfort is an Arminian, I’d use discernment when reading his teachings.