Jesus teaches that regeneration precedes faith

[donadams]

I will only say that as concerning His humanity, Christ is "made of the seed of David according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3).

The creed denies that at one point, by saying that the Son is uncreated.

But affirms it later when it affirms the incarnation.

I would say that if the Son is eternally begotten of the Father, you are speaking not of one God but two.

But if He is begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35), then the Son is simply God (not a 2nd God, and not 1/3 of God, 1 Timothy 3:16 (kjv)) descended into time and having taken on an added nature of human flesh.

Dogma:

3. God’s Nature is incomprehensible to men.

It is a mystery we cannot understand.

The divine nature is above man intellect, God resides in unapproachable light!

Thanks

 

[justbyfaith]

Dogma:

3. God’s Nature is incomprehensible to men.

It is a mystery we cannot understand.

The divine nature is above man intellect, God resides in unapproachable light!

Thanks

I would contend that sound doctrine is understandable and that it is reasonable (Isaiah 1:18).

 

[justbyfaith]

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/a-proposition-calvinistic-or-no.1196/

 

[makesends]

I would contend that sound doctrine is understandable and that it is reasonable (Isaiah 1:18).

But it will not be fully known until we see him as he is. Not even by one such as yourself, replete in knowledge and understanding.

"No doubt you are the [man], and wisdom will die with you!" —Job

 

[donadams]

I would contend that sound doctrine is understandable and that it is reasonable (Isaiah 1:18).

Not regarding the nature of God it is a mystery and man’s intellect is dim

 

[justbyfaith]

Not regarding the nature of God it is a mystery and man’s intellect is dim

I believe that I understand it.

Luk 12:2, For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

 

[Mr GLee]

I don't find the John 6:37 verse particularly useful because it specifies giving of the person to Christ, not the giving of the Spirit or regeneration. The latter can be inferred, but the clarity of verse 63 is undeniable. The flesh profits nothing and since the unregenerate has only flesh no choise or trust made in that (still sinful and unregenerate) flesh can profit anything. It cannot profit the unregenerate salvation. It cannot profit him/her a change in his/her relationship with God. It cannot profit him God doing anything different. It cannot profit him any change on God's part.

It profits nothing.


So..... while they argue over whether or not "all" means all, or "world" means world, their same demand must force them to accept the flesh profits NOTHING. The word "nothing" means nothing.

As many as the father gave power to come did come .

Faith. . . . God's unseen labor of love "Let there be" comes before. . the testimony "it was God good."

 

[Josheb]

As many as the father gave power to come did come .

Faith. . . . God's unseen labor of love "Let there be" comes before. . the testimony "it was God good."

I'm sure that makes sense to you but I will ask you to consider how others might read it not knowing your mind.

Of course as many as the Father gave Jesus came to Jesus. As to the Father giving power to come I whole-heartedly agree. I would include regeneration in the power God gives empowering both faith and coming to Christ. Faith, in addition to its assertive trust component, is the assurance of things hoped for, a proof of things not seen, and while I believe it a gift from God I do not find "unseen labor of love" in my Bible and have no idea from whence "it was God good" comes.

 

[Mr GLee]

I'm sure that makes sense to you but I will ask you to consider how others might read it not knowing your mind.

Of course as many as the Father gave Jesus came to Jesus. As to the Father giving power to come I whole-heartedly agree. I would include regeneration in the power God gives empowering both faith and coming to Christ. Faith, in addition to its assertive trust component, is the assurance of things hoped for, a proof of things not seen, and while I believe it a gift from God I do not find "unseen labor of love" in my Bible and have no idea from whence "it was God good" comes.

Thanks . what you offered does add some clarity.

Sorry for the rambling in advance Not a common doctrine.

I am not trying to be difficult We a cannot improve the writen word of God . We I believe simply offer the best we can and hope other might offer as you .. God alone is the one good teaching Master .We can preach He does the forming of His Spirit in that way giving us His understanding of faith. . the unseen things of God.

I am not what you might call scholarly. I was not interested in reading other than comics or funnies (green sheet in Milwaukee) until I believe I was moved by God not seen approx 33 years .

I hated school and my teachers. Worked in a foundry 40 years had a triple bypass was booted out. . I am learning to trust I hope from the one Good Master who lovingly commands us to study rightly dividing sola scriptura in order to seek His good unseen approval (2 Timothy 2:15 )

The word good is the signature of God's approval . The law of faith "Let there be" and the testimony was "God good",

The same kind of good that one bowed down to worship the flesh of the Son of man, Jesus . Jesus the Son of man giving glory to the unseen Holy Father replied. . . why call me what they eyes see dying mankind as Good Master. . . only God eternal not seen is good.

Mathew18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God . . . . .

The perfect, perfecting one good teaching Master called the just and justifier.

When God who is Light and not that he only able to produce it temporally he is the light of the world . . .introduced himself as good Master of the universe

After each declaration of faith his signature "it was God good.. . . . as it is writen is God good.

Interesting in that series of creation he singles out gold a rudiment of this world as good . In that way I beleive Gold is used to represent the hidden good of God. .. things of eternal faith or called the golden measure in Revelation 20 the hidden manna chapter 2:17 .

Genisis 2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

Not a literal measure of man. He made men good they chose the dark.

 

[donadams]

I believe that I understand it.

Luk 12:2, For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

Nothing about God’s nature.

 

[Mr GLee]

Nothing about God’s nature.

God does not have a nature as a beginning .He is the faithful Creator of all beginnings .Let there be . .it began

He gives witness to two one seen the temporal the other not seen the eternal Two the one witness God has spoken "Let there be" the witness good (God good, perfect)

Genesis 2: 4 These are the generations (two) of the heavens and of the earth when they (two) were created, in the day (one) the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

The second Genesis will come on the last day under the Sun . New wineskins for new born again wine. . called blood of grapes

 

[justbyfaith]

Nothing about God’s nature.

If the truth of God's nature is hidden from you, because you believe the understanding of it to be incomprehensible,

you may be surprised to discover that it is in fact comprehensible and that it will be revealed to you as you study His word.

I would encourage you to go to my thread in the Oneness section on coexistent modalism as the true Trinity.

Here:

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/coexistent-modalism-the-true-trinity.206/unread