Jesus teaches that regeneration precedes faith

[Arial]

So you were saved over 2000 years ago?

It says not your faith! Not of yourselves

Try clear and logical thinking without Catholic dogma getting in the way of everything you read. If such a thing is even possible.

 

[justbyfaith]

Are you denying the divinity of Christ and the trinity?

No.

I have a view of the Trinity that emphasizes the Oneness of the Lord; however it does not deny that every member of the Trinity is distinct from the others.

I have set forth this view in the Oneness section (will post a link shortly);

Because some who hold to Tritheism and yet claim to be Trinitarian might take issue with my view.

And because they seem to be Trinitarian and therefore orthodox in their beliefs, I am forced to set forth my view in a section that is identified as cultic.

But I would say that my view is distinctly orthodox.

It holds to everything in the creeds that is not distinctly denied by verses in the Bible.

(those verses being Luke 1:35 and Romans 1:3).

But you can learn more by going to the thread.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/coexistent-modalism-the-true-trinity.206/

 

[donadams]

Try clear and logical thinking without Catholic dogma getting in the way of everything you read. If such a thing is even possible.

So your answer is NO?

Catholic dogma is divine revelation!
Apostolic tradition!
And you believe at least 80 percent of it!

 

[donadams]

No.

I have a view of the Trinity that emphasizes the Oneness of the Lord; however it does not deny that every member of the Trinity is distinct from the others.

I have set forth this view in the Oneness section (will post a link shortly);

Because some who hold to Tritheism and yet claim to be Trinitarian might take issue with my view.

And because they seem to be Trinitarian and therefore orthodox in their beliefs, I am forced to set forth my view in a section that is identified as cultic.

But I would say that my view is distinctly orthodox.

It holds to everything in the creeds that is not distinctly denied by verses in the Bible.

(those verses being Luke 1:35 and Romans 1:3).

But you can learn more by going to the thread.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/coexistent-modalism-the-true-trinity.206/

Ok tri-theism would be three gods and that is false there is only one God one divine nature!
One Lord also!

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!

Thanks

 

[Arial]

So your answer is NO?

Catholic dogma is divine revelation!
Apostolic tradition!
And you believe at least 80 percent of it!

I cannot take your blind nonsense as a premise here and construct from it anything that would make sense to you, and would result only in more of your non sense. What you say makes no sense. You have given me absolutely nothing to work with or from.

 

[donadams]

I cannot take your blind nonsense as a premise here and construct from it anything that would make sense to you, and would result only in more of your non sense. What you say makes no sense. You have given me absolutely nothing to work with or from.

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Anyone opposed to Christ or his church or His revelation are in spiritual blindness and bondage

Or I will give you a list of dogmas and you can see what you agree with?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

You ready to admit yet, that your argument is about semantics, and not about the substance of the doctrine?

Trolling, trolling, trolling — rawhide.... Yeeehaw!

Which one of the Calvinist "Substances" are you referring to???

 

[Dave_Regenerated]

Isn’t it obvious I misspelled the word?

Misspelled what word? Ridicule and ridiculous? They aren't the same word in English.

 

[Arial]

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Anyone opposed to Christ or his church or His revelation are in spiritual blindness and bondage

Or I will give you a list of dogmas and you can see what you agree with?

What do you consider Christ's church?

Give me a list of the Catholic dogmas, particularly those where they make the claim that they are the true church of Christ---as well as where and when they are named as such.

Give me the history and reasoning behind the dogma of the Catholic church being the authority on scripture interpretation.
Give me the history and reasoning behind the dogma of the continuing priesthood and forgiveness of God being given by human priests interceding with Christ for them.

And any other dogma you wish to list, but it must have history and reasoning. That means if all I get in response is a page or two of isolated and partial scripture quotes, you will have once again shown that you just blindly believe what you religion says, and have no knowledge of how it was arrived at. And I will have a mod delete the post because it amounts to trolling.

 

[donadams]

What do you consider Christ's church?

The church founded by Christ on Peter Matt 16:18-19 and the apostles with him Matt 18:18 eph 2:20
One church Jn 10:16

Give me a list of the Catholic dogmas, particularly those where they make the claim that they are the true church of Christ---as well as where and when they are named as such.

Give me the history and reasoning behind the dogma of the Catholic church being the authority on scripture interpretation.
Give me the history and reasoning behind the dogma of the continuing priesthood and forgiveness of God being given by human priests interceding with Christ for them.

And any other dogma you wish to list, but it must have history and reasoning. That means if all I get in response is a page or two of isolated and partial scripture quotes, you will have once again shown that you just blindly believe what you religion says, and have no knowledge of how it was arrived at. And I will have a mod delete the post because it amounts to trolling.

 

[donadams]

What do you consider Christ's church?

Give me a list of the Catholic dogmas, particularly those where they make the claim that they are the true church of Christ---as well as where and when they are named as such.

Give me the history and reasoning behind the dogma of the Catholic church being the authority on scripture interpretation.
Give me the history and reasoning behind the dogma of the continuing priesthood and forgiveness of God being given by human priests interceding with Christ for them.

And any other dogma you wish to list, but it must have history and reasoning. That means if all I get in response is a page or two of isolated and partial scripture quotes, you will have once again shown that you just blindly believe what you religion says, and have no knowledge of how it was arrived at. And I will have a mod delete the post because it amounts to trolling.

This is an official site listing the dogma’s (truth’s revealed by Christ)

http://holyjoe.org/dogmas.pdf

I’ll look for the history part next

 

[donadams]

Dogma referring to the nature of the church!

137. The Church was founded by the God-Man Jesus Christ.
138. Our Redeemer Himself conserves with divine power the society founded by Him, the
Church.
139. Christ is the Divine Redeemer of His Body, the Church.
140. Christ founded the Church in order to continue His work of redemption for all time.
141. Christ gave His Church a hierarchical constitution.
142. The powers bestowed on the Apostles have descended to the bishops.
143. Christ appointed the Apostle Peter to be the first of all the Apostles and to be the visible head
of the whole Church, by appointing him immediately and personally to the primacy of
jurisdiction.
144. According to Christ’s ordinance, Peter is to have successors in his Primacy over the whole
Church and for all time.
145. The successors of Peter in the Primacy are the bishops of Rome.
146. The Pope possesses full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, not
merely in matters of faith and morals, but also in Church discipline and in the government of
the Church.
147. The Pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra.
148. By virtue of Divine Right the bishops possess an ordinary power of government over their
dioceses.
149. Christ is the Head of the Church.
150. In the final decision on doctrines concerning faith and morals the Church is infallible.
151. The primary object of the Infallibility is the formally revealed truths of Christian Doctrine
concerning faith and morals.
152. The totality of the Bishops is infallible, when they, either assembled in general council or
scattered over the earth, propose a teaching of faith or morals as one to be held by all the
faithful.
153. The Church founded by Christ is unique and one.
154. The Church founded by Christ is holy.
155. The Church founded by Christ is catholic.
156. The Church founded by Christ is apostolic.
157. Membership of the Church is necessary for all men for salvation.

 

[Arial]

This is an official site listing the dogma’s (truth’s revealed by Christ)

http://holyjoe.org/dogmas.pdf

I’ll look for the history part next

Some right, much of it finds no scriptural basis and are therefore the doctrines of men. No authority shown to be given by God to add to or change His word.

 

[Arial]

Dogma referring to the nature of the church!

137. The Church was founded by the God-Man Jesus Christ.
138. Our Redeemer Himself conserves with divine power the society founded by Him, the
Church.
139. Christ is the Divine Redeemer of His Body, the Church.
140. Christ founded the Church in order to continue His work of redemption for all time.
141. Christ gave His Church a hierarchical constitution.
142. The powers bestowed on the Apostles have descended to the bishops.
143. Christ appointed the Apostle Peter to be the first of all the Apostles and to be the visible head
of the whole Church, by appointing him immediately and personally to the primacy of
jurisdiction.
144. According to Christ’s ordinance, Peter is to have successors in his Primacy over the whole
Church and for all time.
145. The successors of Peter in the Primacy are the bishops of Rome.
146. The Pope possesses full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, not
merely in matters of faith and morals, but also in Church discipline and in the government of
the Church.
147. The Pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra.
148. By virtue of Divine Right the bishops possess an ordinary power of government over their
dioceses.
149. Christ is the Head of the Church.
150. In the final decision on doctrines concerning faith and morals the Church is infallible.
151. The primary object of the Infallibility is the formally revealed truths of Christian Doctrine
concerning faith and morals.
152. The totality of the Bishops is infallible, when they, either assembled in general council or
scattered over the earth, propose a teaching of faith or morals as one to be held by all the
faithful.
153. The Church founded by Christ is unique and one.
154. The Church founded by Christ is holy.
155. The Church founded by Christ is catholic.
156. The Church founded by Christ is apostolic.
157. Membership of the Church is necessary for all men for salvation.

This presumes that the Catholic church and whatever it says is The Church, with nothing to validate that and much in scripture to deny it. So it is utter, unvalidated, unsubstantiated, presumption. Before you or they can say any of that they must first validate their claim and claims. But I am not going through all this with you again. When someone keeps repeating those things that have already been addressed, never gives support or validation of their premise, does it every thread they enter, they are simply trolling for the purpose of disruption and to antagonize and bait.

The Catholic church has their statement of faith and beliefs. Their confession. All churches do though most today are quite wishy washy and unformed. But those confessions that came out of the Reformation and still exist, also are a statement of faith and beliefs of that particular denomination. The difference between them and that of the RC, is that none the Protestant denominations lay claim to being the one and only true church of Christ, and they take all of their confessional doctrines from the the Bible without adding to it. The RC adds a tremendous amount concerning itself and who it is, and its structure, as well as applying those things that belong to only Christ and only God as being an authority from God, but are not actually stated or even implied in the scriptures. In addition, it creates its own Maryology and priesthood, and does so in a way that is direct contradiction to the Bible, or not even addressed in the scriptures. And then they claim these things to have been given only to their denomination. In addition they teach salvation through their traditions above the completed work of Christ.

 

[donadams]

Some right, much of it finds no scriptural basis and are therefore the doctrines of men. No authority shown to be given by God to add to or change His word.

The dogmas are incontrovertible truths revealed by Christ not adding or changing scripture, but from the same source “the apostolic tradition” every word the apostles heard from the mouth of Christ, some apostles not all wrote some things in scripture not all!

 

[donadams]

This presumes that the Catholic church and whatever it says is The Church, with nothing to validate that and much in scripture to deny it. So it is utter, unvalidated, unsubstantiated, presumption. Before you or they can say any of that they must first validate their claim and claims. But I am not going through all this with you again. When someone keeps repeating those things that have already been addressed, never gives support or validation of their premise, does it every thread they enter, they are simply trolling for the purpose of disruption and to antagonize and bait.

The Catholic church has their statement of faith and beliefs. Their confession. All churches do though most today are quite wishy washy and unformed. But those confessions that came out of the Reformation and still exist, also are a statement of faith and beliefs of that particular denomination. The difference between them and that of the RC, is that none the Protestant denominations lay claim to being the one and only true church of Christ, and they take all of their confessional doctrines from the the Bible without adding to it. The RC adds a tremendous amount concerning itself and who it is, and its structure, as well as applying those things that belong to only Christ and only God as being an authority from God, but are not actually stated or even implied in the scriptures. In addition, it creates its own Maryology and priesthood, and does so in a way that is direct contradiction to the Bible, or not even addressed in the scriptures. And then they claim these things to have been given only to their denomination. In addition they teach salvation through their traditions above the completed work of Christ.

Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19
One church! Jn 10:16 All others are sects “full of errors” “the tradition of men”! The new covenant Church is the eternal city of God! Household of faith! The pillar and ground of TRUTH! 1 Tim 3:15 Founded by Christ alone! Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles! Eph 2:20 Lk 22:29

The 30,000 sects (the tradition of men) having no authority at all! And holding and teaching contrary and new doctrines!

When was the “time of reformation” According to scripture?

The time of Christ?
Or the time of Martin Luther?

Heb 9:10 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Christ reformed the mosaic covenant into the new covenant and it is of divine origin and CANNOT be reformed by the tradition of men!!!

One church singular
Matt 16:18
Matt 18:17
Matt 18:18
Jn 10:16
1 cor 12:12
1 Tim 3:15




The church is of divine origin and cannot be corrupted or reformed by the tradition of men! Truth is immutable!

The church the only ark of salvation, the household of faith and is not spiritual to the exclusion of the physical or invisible to the exclusion of the visible but, visible, invisible, spiritual, physical, and supernatural of divine origin and therefore divine preservation! Matt 16:18-19 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 Jn 10:16

A city set on a hill: Matt 5:14
Light of the world: Matt 5:14
Pillar of truth: 1 Tim 3:15
Teach and sanctify all men: Matt 28:19

Unity of faith!

Four Marks of the True Church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter, the apostles, and their successors!

One, holy, catholic (universal) and apostolic (succeeding from Christ, Peter and the apostles)

 

[Arial]

Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19

Christ and the apostles----the ones He appointed after His resurrection. So where does the RCC get the authority to say that Christ gave them the authority to be His one true church? That is what you will not, and cannot tell me. You can only appeal again as you always do, to the authority it is giving itself. It names itself as the authority.

The dogmas are incontrovertible truths revealed by Christ not adding or changing scripture, but from the same source “the apostolic tradition” every word the apostles heard from the mouth of Christ, some apostles not all wrote some things in scripture not all!

If they are incontrovertible and were revealed by Christ, there must be a record of Him doing this. He told us everything else we needed to know between the covers of the scriptures we now have. So where is the evidence of this divine revelation? When did it happen and where and how? Many of these dogmas are not in the scriptures so they are added to the scriptures and change the scripture. What the RC calls the apostolic tradition is not what is in question. That too was constructed outside the Bible. It is not traditions that form the truth, but teaching. It is not the so called apostolic traditions (which are really RCC traditions and then they are called apostolic) that I am asking about but the teaching. Particularly what it teaches about itself instead of Christ.

The 30,000 sects (the tradition of men) having no authority at all!

Nor do they claim to. So your argument is moot.

And holding and teaching contrary and new doctrines!

Contrary to what. New doctrines instead of what?

The time of Christ?
Or the time of Martin Luther?

The time of Christ?
Ir the time of the RCC?

Heb 9:10 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Christ reformed the mosaic covenant into the new covenant and it is of divine origin and CANNOT be reformed by the tradition of men!!!

Christ fulfilled the old covenant and brought in the new.
It is true that it cannot be changed by the tradition of men, no matter how hard the RCC tries to do so.

The church the only ark of salvation, the household of faith and is not spiritual to the exclusion of the physical or invisible to the exclusion of the visible but, visible, invisible, spiritual, physical, and supernatural of divine origin and therefore divine preservation!

See. Right there you change the scriptures. Christ is the only ark of salvation, not the RCC, which is not Christ's church, or they wouldn't consider themselves the ark of salvation in the first place. They wouldn't consider their priests (and Mary) a necessary and only go between between man and Christ. And that only through their priests and their traditions, do we access Christ and God's grace and reconciliation to Him.

 

[donadams]

Christ and the apostles----the ones He appointed after His resurrection. So where does the RCC get the authority to say that Christ gave them the authority to be His one true church? That is what you will not, and cannot tell me. You can only appeal again as you always do, to the authority it is giving itself. It names itself as the authority.

If they are incontrovertible and were revealed by Christ, there must be a record of Him doing this. He told us everything else we needed to know between the covers of the scriptures we now have. So where is the evidence of this divine revelation? When did it happen and where and how? Many of these dogmas are not in the scriptures so they are added to the scriptures and change the scripture. What the RC calls the apostolic tradition is not what is in question. That too was constructed outside the Bible. It is not traditions that form the truth, but teaching. It is not the so called apostolic traditions (which are really RCC traditions and then they are called apostolic) that I am asking about but the teaching. Particularly what it teaches about itself instead of Christ.

Nor do they claim to. So your argument is moot.

Contrary to what. New doctrines instead of what?

The time of Christ?
Ir the time of the RCC?

Christ fulfilled the old covenant and brought in the new.
It is true that it cannot be changed by the tradition of men, no matter how hard the RCC tries to do so.

See. Right there you change the scriptures. Christ is the only ark of salvation, not the RCC, which is not Christ's church, or they wouldn't consider themselves the ark of salvation in the first place. They wouldn't consider their priests (and Mary) a necessary and only go between between man and Christ. And that only through their priests and their traditions, do we access Christ and God's grace and reconciliation to Him.

donadams said:
Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19
Christ and the apostles----the ones He appointed after His resurrection. So where does the RCC get the authority to say that Christ gave them the authority to be His one true church? That is what you will not, and cannot tell me. You can only appeal again as you always do, to the authority it is giving itself. It names itself as the authority.

One at a time please:

[edited by admin for being repetitive trolling without producing evidence of any of its claims addressing the post]

 

[donadams]

Reply to Arial

donadams said:
The 30,000 sects (the tradition of men) having no authority at all!
Nor do they claim to. So your argument is moot.

Christ is king the church his kingdom with authority!

donadams said:
And holding and teaching contrary and new doctrines!
Contrary to what. New doctrines instead of what?

The five solas!

donadams said:
The time of Christ?
Or the time of Martin Luther?
The time of Christ?
In the time of the RCC?

That’s 2000 years

donadams said:
The church the only ark of salvation, the household of faith and is not spiritual to the exclusion of the physical or invisible to the exclusion of the visible but, visible, invisible, spiritual, physical, and supernatural of divine origin and therefore divine preservation!


See. Right there you change the scriptures. Christ is the only ark of salvation, not the RCC, which is not Christ's church, or they wouldn't consider themselves the ark of salvation in the first place. They wouldn't consider their priests (and Mary) a necessary and only go between between man and Christ. And that only through their priests and their traditions, do we access Christ and God's grace and reconciliation to Him.

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 the church and her faith and sacraments are required for salvation!

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Thanks

 

[justbyfaith]

Ok tri-theism would be three gods and that is false there is only one God one divine nature!
One Lord also!

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!

Thanks

I will only say that as concerning His humanity, Christ is "made of the seed of David according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3).

The creed denies that at one point, by saying that the Son is uncreated.

But affirms it later when it affirms the incarnation.

I would say that if the Son is eternally begotten of the Father, you are speaking not of one God but two.

But if He is begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35), then the Son is simply God (not a 2nd God, and not 1/3 of God, 1 Timothy 3:16 (kjv)) descended into time and having taken on an added nature of human flesh.