The vision of the OT is that those of Messiah (Christ), including the Gentiles, would be missionaries to the world.
PAUL: JEWISH LAW AND THE EARLY CHURCH
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You are being ridiculous. You apparently don't know what you are reading. I suggest spending a year analyzing how the NT quotes the OT and where and why.
Some of them are quotes.
Last warning. Will have to put you on ignore.
The OT Scriptures were written for the people of God.
From the beginning, the Gentiles were to be eventually included in the people of God.
Paul writes to the Ephesian Gentiles (Eph 3:2-6):
"Surely you have heard about the administration of God's grace that was given to me for you, that is, the mystery (secret) made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly( (Eph 1:9-10). In reading this, then you will be able to understand my insight (in v.6, following) into the mystery (secret) of Christ, which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God's holy apostles and prophets. This mystery (secret) is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Jesus Christ."
The reason being that the author of salvation, the Messiah, comes of the Jews, and is sent first to them.They had the word of salvation (Ac 13:26) delivered to them, and other nations, who from the beginning were to be included in the people of God, got it from them.
All the people of God, Jew and Gentile, are on the same footing; i.e., there is neither Jew nor Gentile, for all are one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed (descendant), and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:29)
Salvation is no longer of the Jews, it is only of Jesus Christ, until the end of time when there is no more salvation by faith.
No longer is there either Jew or Gentile, in Christ all are one.
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So, you don't have the Scripture to support your comment then.
I thought so.
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That's pretty general.
The Scripture was written to the people of God in covenant with God and that means Israel. Jewish Christians wrote to Jewish Christians in the first four decades after Messiah ascended and the Church Jesus was building was a continuation of the "Great Congregation" in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle and the New Covenant Church God was building is in accordance to His Promise to the House of Israel. God made no covenant with Gentiles despite their constant attempts to replace and usurp the Jewish people of their covenants and promise with God. Stealing the Jewish covenants and promises God made with the house of Israel is a sin.
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom. 9:4–5.
May be. But they don't attain it through covenant. It merely says God is bringing in Gentiles and this is to make His true Bride and Church Israel jealous. Gentiles have no covenant with God to speak of. God is merely bringing in Gentiles in these Times of the Gentiles and when these times are over and the Gentiles have fulfilled their use to God the God turns His full attention to Israel again and, as Paul says so eloquently, "all Israel shall be saved."
When Christ returns Zechariah says He will join with Israel and fight against Israel's enemies who are Gentiles. Just make sure as Gentile you're not one of them.
Yes, Paul writes to Jewish Christians in Asia Minor in this circular letter to all the Jewish Churches founded in these cities by Jewish Christians and the mystery is written in the Jewish Scriptures of the First Covenant of Law, Psalms, and Prophets of Israel, and now through illumination and through at least one of many like Paul God is making known to Jewish Christians from their Jewish bible the things Paul writes about.
Stole it from them after the Temple was destroyed. Marcion was a heretic that tried to unmoor true Christianity from its Judaic roots and failed. Today, it's the same heresy but with a twist. Gentiles are not trying to unmoor and separate true biblical Christianity from its Judaic roots, they are teaching the heresy of REPLACEMENT theology among Gentile Christians.
Paul was writing to Jewish Christians about their covenant and Messiah's effect His arrival had on Judaism.
The Word of God is eternal. If God says salvation is of the Jews, then Scripture cannot be broken. Salvation is STILL and always be of the Jews. It's their covenant. Let them have it. Give it up. God made no covenant with Gentiles.
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It is in ALL OF THOSE. Good bye. What a disgusting reference against the things you had right,.
All those in Christ are in covenant with God.
The Jewish Christian, Paul, wrote to Gentiles in the first four decades after Messiah ascended.
God's covenant is with all who are in Jesus Christ, including the Gentiles.
That is sheer nonsense, One does not steal God's covenant, anymore than one steals God's salvation.
Imagine that!
God himself bringing them in is not enough, in order for their bringing in to be worth anything, they must be brought in by covenant.
Don't know which Bible you are reading, but it's not the one written by the apostles of Jesus Christ, God's one and only begotten Son.
Paul likewise says so eloquently there that the destiny of Israel is to be grafted back into the one people of God, the NT church of both OT and NT saints (Heb 12:22-23), IF they do not persist in ubelief (Ro 11:23), which they have for two millennia now.
Your personal interpretation of prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8) does not agree with NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church, that the one and only resurrection, rapture, second coming and judgment all occur at the end of time.
And here we have the problem.
You don't believe the teaching of Jesus' apostles.
Keeping in mind that Jesus said those who do not receive the teaching of his apostles are also rejecting Jesus himself (Lk 10:16).
You're on the wrong side of the Son of God here.
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I thought so. You have no Scripture to support your comments.
If it’s not chapter and verse then it’s chatter or worse. Toodles noodles.
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Yes, since God made covenant with Abraham and his seed the children of Israel, they are the recipients of these covenants. But God made no covenant with Gentiles.
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom. 9:4–5.
Jesus Christ was prophesied to and for Israel and to and for Israel He came.
Jesus Christ did not come to and for Gentiles:
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mt 15:24.
There is no Scripture stating Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Gentiles. Gentiles are not His lost sheep. Israel is.
Jewish covenant.
Jewish Messiah.
Jewish writings (both OT and NT.)
But you cannot show me any Gentile covenant. So, if there is no Gentile covenant then there is no Gentile covenant no matter how much you want to twist Scripture to say so.
But thats what Gentile Christians do. It's a Jewish Covenant, Jewish Messiah, and they use any place the word "covenant" is found in the NT which was written to Jewish Christians to elbow their way and insert themselves in a covenant never made with them.
Sorry, God saves Gentiles without covenant. If there was a Gentile covenant it would have covenant language as it does in these three examples (but there is none)
11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. Gen. 9:11.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:7.
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
fI will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jer. 31:33.
Nowhere in all of Scripture is the a covenant God makes with Gentiles. NONE. And to try to insert yourself in one is to usurp the covenant and steal it.
Sorry, God saves Gentiles without covenant. If there was a Gentile covenant it would have covenant language as it does in these three examples (but there is none)
11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. Gen. 9:11.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:7.
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
fI will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jer. 31:33.
Nowhere in all of Scripture is the a covenant God makes with Gentiles. NONE. And to try to insert yourself in one is to usurp the covenant and steal it.
There you have it. God made no covenant with Gentiles and for Gentiles to try to insert themselves in an existing Jewish covenant is covenant and generational and inheritance theft.
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Right and the reason is not what you think. I won't get into all the process. But I will say, that star you are sporting has nothing to do with God or David. It does, however, have everything to do with paganism.
No true Jew would ever sport it.
Romans 2:
The Jews and the Law
…28A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical. 29No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.
The fact that star is a pagan symbol and will come to be a measure used against those who claim to be a "Jew" will be become clear in this post.
Excerpt From BIBLE TRUTHS- THE SIX POINTED STAR:
The Six-Pointed Star: The origin, and history of the six-pointed star (hexagram) and its mysterious link with
mankind from the days of Egypt are intriguing. The six-pointed star has long been used in magic, occultism,
witchcraft, and astrology, and has been found at the scene of so many occult crimes that the police in California
issued a directive to all schools warning children to be cautious of this symbol. Click here to order a copy.
Some years ago, it was reported in the Toronto Sun, that a church, and grave yard had been vandalized and
"stars" were painted all over. The newspaper had decided not to say what kind of stars as they did not wish to
have people think Jews had been responsible. Firstly, and emphatically, Jews were not responsible for the van-
dalizing. But as usual, they could have been blamed. Why? Because unfortunately, Jews have often used items
and delved in practices that are contrary to Scriptures and the Bible records many such instances. Why do most
Jews use the six-pointed star, which they call the Star of David, the Shield of David, or the Magen David?
Well, here is where it gets intriguing: M. Hirsch Goldberg in his book The Jewish Connection states: " The
Star of David is not of Jewish origin - and the ancient Israelites never used it as their religious symbol" (they
used the Menorah or Seven Candlestick). So, why did the six-pointed star become known as the Jewish star?
This symbol was widely adopted, not because the Jewish people chose it, but ironically because Adolph Hitler
forced all Jews to wear a yellow six-pointed star during the holocaust. The word holocaust means burnt offer-
ing, and the six-pointed star was used in the past when burnt human sacrifices were offered to Moloch and Ash-
toreth in Baal worship. The few Jews who had anything to do with the Six-Pointed star (hexagram) were those
who were involved in occult practices. Back to Hitler, would he put anything good on a Jew? Hitler meant to
insult and destroy the Jews, and being wrapped up in the occult (read the book, The Nazis and the Occult ), he
may have meant the Jews to be his burnt offering for power. Today, most Jews wear this star by choice, and
without thinking or checking out its origin and usage through time. Wearing the six-pointed star became a fash-
ion.
The first mention of the six-pointed star in Israelite literature was in Amos 5:6, when YAWEH angrily tells
His people that " I hate and despise your feast days…. You shall take up Siccuth, your king and Chiun your im-
ages, the star of your God…." Siccuth (Sakkuth) and Chiun (Kaiwan) means "star" and refers to Saturn as a
star, and was objects of idolatrous worship, as they were considered to be Assyrian gods. The mixed multitude
that went out of Egypt with the children of Israel took the star with them. Like the obelisk, the six-pointed star
was an Egyptian idol used in idolatrous worship. In 922 B.C. when Solomon married the daughter of Pharoah,
he became involved in Egyptian idol worship and went into magic, and witchcraft. Solomon built an altar to
Ashtoreth and Moloch, and the six-pointed star, the chief symbol of human sacrifices in magic and witchcraft
circles, came to be called the Seal of Solomon.
Solomon did not heed the subsequent warnings from God to cease from these abominable practices, even af-
ter God threatened to rend the Kingdom of Israel from his son's hand. And indeed, the split occurred after Solo-
mon's death. Solomon's idolatry caused the Kingdom of Israel to be split in two. The practices he introduced to
the children of Israel eventually caused the House of Israel to go into exile into the Caucasus, and the House of
Judah to go into captivity. It was Josiah who later destroyed this forbidden altar. Did you know that the number
666 was connected to Solomon? (1 Kings 10:14) Yes, 666 talents of gold was sent to Solomon each month by
none other than the King of Tyrus. After you have read this account in the book of 1 Kings, turn to Ezekiel
Chapter 28. Oh, what a tangled web was weaved, when Solomon practiced to deceive. King Solomon left many
articles which proved his blatant idolatry, such as King Solomon's Mirror, King Solomon's Comb, and the six-
pointed star, which became known as the Seal of Solomon in the witchcraft and occult world. Solomon also laid
down the foundations of the Craft (Daniel 8:25) which later became known as Freemasonry., and the six-
pointed star features prominently in Masonic rituals.
King David was Solomon's father, but he was never an idolater. He made it absolutely clear that God Himself
was his shield, not only in Psalm 3:3 but in Psalm 28:7, Psalm 119:114, and Psalm 144:2.
The book, The Six-Pointed Star, is the first and only academic work which documents the origin and historical
usage of this symbol. From Egypt to Solomon, to Arab magic, and witchcraft, to Druid uses, to freemasonry, to
Mayer Amschel Bauer, who in the 17th century changes his name to depict the red six-pointed star which hung
on his door in Germany, and thus began the family of "Rothschild" (meaning red shield). The Rothschild family
incorporated this symbol in their Court of Arms. The research traced the six-pointed star through the Cabala, to
astrology, to Hitler and his putting a yellow six-pointed star on Jews during the holocaust, to the Zionist sym-
bol, and finally to the flag of the State of Israel and beyond.
End Excerpt.
Previously addressed.
Not according to NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church where
all Gentiles who believe in Christ are the descendants (seed) of Abraham and heir to the covenant promise (Gal 3:29).
Previously addressed.
Jesus said the kingdom is taken away from the Jews and given to those who will produce its fruit; i.e., Gentiles (Mt 21:43).
Jesus said that he who hears the apostles are hearing him, and those who reject apostolic teaching are rejecting Jesus' teaching. (Lk 10:16)
On what authority do you reject the teaching of the Messiah?
We are warned about wolves in sheep's clothing.
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I don't wear a Magen David.
The New Covenant didn't include Gentiles.
God said the New Covenant is with the House of Israel. You're not Jewish nor a child of Jacob/Israel.
Let's end this right here and now.
Show me in the New Covenant prophecy found in Jeremiah 31 God making covenant with Gentiles in this New Covenant.
Don't show me Paul discussing the New Covenant in Romans and Galatians, which YOU THINK Paul is writing to Gentiles - a simple misunderstanding - but in the actual covenant in Jeremiah 31 show me where Gentiles are identified.
Go ahead.
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Paul writes to Jewish Christians discussing the effect Israel's JEWISH Messiah had on their Judaic religion.
Now, show me in Jeremiah 31 where the New Covenant is prophesied where Gentiles are included in this New Covenant.
Go ahead. Don't show me Romans or Galatians where Paul discusses the New Covenant - which you think he's writing to Gentiles, which he isn't, but show me in Jeremiah 31 where Gentiles are said to be in this New Covenant.
Show me where Gentiles are mentioned in the New Covenant made in Jeremiah 31.
Go ahead. I'll wait.
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Christian a demonym people known by location .
Christian the name God promised in Isaiah 62 to rename his bride. Previously calling her Israel (the born again ones) Inward Jew according to the working of the Holy Spirit not outward according to dying flesh and blood of mankind
Christian residence of the city of Christ prepared for his bide the church. . a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations of the world.
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Slow your roll soldier. Clearly, you have a crystal ball of some sort. LOL! Your signature speaks volumes as do your assumptions. No one is arguing that it is not to the Jews then Greeks and then Romans so forth and so on. But it was always intended by God to make a way for the Gentile. And with all due respect, before Abraham was called a Hebrew, he was called a heathen =(gentile). He was called from among his kin to traverse- come from one side of things to the other. After which Abram was renamed Abraham. To Traverse literally means to Hebrew. He was not called that until he made that transition from gentile to the other side of things. He quite literally traversed the Jordan in his spiritual awakening to the one True God. Jewishness was a process. The called and elect people were first called Hebrews starting with Abraham, that evolved into Israelites meaning ( In whom God prevails) as they grew in the covenant, we see this during Moses' time. Moving forward, after the 12 tribes of Israel, one -Judah was the basis for the name of God's people. We first hear of 'Jews' in the book of Esther.
Put it together, Traversed One(Hebrew) in whom God prevails (Israelites)-Judah/Jews who are in Praise of God.
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There is no such city.
"Christ"-ian is a name given to Jewish people that follow their Messiah and Christ.
Makes no sense. There is no mention of "Christian" as the name for the Bride of Christ in Isaiah 62.
No, in Isaiah the name is changed - or should I say - remains "Jerusalem." And it is New Jerusalem that descends from the heaven in Revelation.
4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken;
Neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate:
But thou shalt be called Hephzi-bah,
And thy land Beulah:
Isaiah 62:4.
The primary capital city of Israel. Also: Ariel; City of David; City of God; City of the Lord; Hephzibah; Holy City; Holy City (Jerusalem); Jebus; Jebusite; Mount Zion; Salem; Sion; Zion.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev. 21:2.
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Paul writes to Jewish Christians discussing the effect Israel's JEWISH Messiah had on their Judaic religion.
Now, show me in Jeremiah 31 where the New Covenant is prophesied where Gentiles are included in this New Covenant.
You can't do it so you avoid answering.
The New Covenant is with the House of Israel in Jeremiah 31.
I rest my case.
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Scripture please. Abram is called a Hebrew (Gen. 14:13.)
Gentiles do not come from his loins nor are they his seed. So, through family line (Matt. and Luke) God preserves a family line from which His covenants go to and through.
In the natural one is not born a Gentile and in one offspring they are Hebrew/Jew.
In the natural a goat that is born a goat does not one day have sheep.
God ordained "after their kind."
Same thing in the spiritual. God contemplated in His Mind before creation a flock of sheep. In the natural they are born sheep and at the appointed time born again as sheep.
They are not goats, become saved, and are sheep.
God ever sees His elect people as sheep for that is how He contemplated them.
Gentiles come from Noah's sons Japheth and Ham.
Hebrews (Eber) come from Shem to Abraham to the children of Israel to Christ.
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No kidding gentiles don't come from his loins brainchild. He came from one side of things to the other. Hence, Hebrew he at that point is no longer a heathen, gentile means heathen. Every true believing Gentile has traversed and is called a Hebrew. Must be that grafting in thingy of Romans 11.
You're speaking smack. Besides, you know what John the Baptist said- " Do not think to say Abraham is our father, for from these stones God can raise up children unto Abraham". Besides that, right in the OT God told Abraham he would become a father of many nations. So, it is clear the loins of a man mean nothing, it is the curcumcsion of the heart and a new and aright spirit that does. What it means to be a Hebrew, a clean heart
in love for the Moshiach!Have you not read -" Though your number will be like the grains of sand only a remnant of Jacob will be saved"? Add to that what was said of the gentile-" In this very place, where it is said you are not a people you will be called the Beloved, sons of the most high". Couple that now with-
"Therefore, all of Israel will be saved". Point? If the Lord says in one place " only a remnant of Jacob will be saved meaning - out of the 12 Tribes of Israel, but also said " all of Israel will be saved", is He contradicting Himself? Of course not, God is not the author of confusion that's the job of people like you!
Simply, since Romans 11 speaks of the ingrafting of the gentile, that makes them part of the tree- the house of Israel. Hence, " all of Israel will be saved". So, that includes the remnant of Jacob and the full number of gentile who are now called Hebrews because they traversed.
Thus, fulfilling the promise made to Abraham-" You will be a father of many nations". Period! And yes, Abraham was a heathen before his calling. That is the mystery of the traversed ones- gentiles revealed. What simply happen is, as Abraham grew in number, as the elect stayed in a convenant, a people grew, becoming eventually a people called Jews. Not because of blood as John the Baptist points out, but rather by faith. Yes they have a lineage going back to father Abraham but Jewishness isn't because of
it is the practices instituted in a covenant.They are called Jews because of the name of Judah- which means ' In Praise of God' that is in praise of God. God named His people, God made them a people. And outside of the NC they are not a people because the are not in ' praise of God' through His Christ who was promised from the beginning in Genesis.
Being a Jew means being in the covenant more than just a sign in the flesh. Hence, why St. Paul said-" You are a Jew when you are one inwardly through circumscision of the heart and spirit". The word of the Lord, praise be to God
Gentile simply means heathen -one who does not know the One True God in faith. Period! Unfortunately most who say they are Jews have reverted back to being heathens, pagans in rejecting the Christ. Hence, their Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud and their Kabbalah and Midrash spewdrash!
Are you telling me Abraham knew God prior to being called? Are you saying his father was not a heathen, his kin from which he was called did not worship idols? If so, then you haven't been reading the bible. And in that case, you really should stop mediating between whatever god and men. Because you most definitely are not a mediator between Yeshua ha Mashiach and men. Your exclusionary doctrine has gotten you excluded from the house. It is backward and a total lie of such unbiblical proportions. People, oy vey!
