PAUL: JEWISH LAW AND THE EARLY CHURCH

[jeremiah1five]

No kidding gentiles don't come from his loins brainchild. He came from one side of things to the other. Hence, Hebrew he at that point is no longer a heathen, gentile means heathen. Every true believing Gentile has traversed and is called a Hebrew. Must be that grafting in thingy of Romans 11.
You're speaking smack. Besides, you know what John the Baptist said- " Do not think to say Abraham is our father, for from these stones God can raise up children unto Abraham". Besides that, right in the OT God told Abraham he would become a father of many nations. So, it is clear the loins of a man mean nothing, it is the curcumcsion of the heart and a new and aright spirit that does. What it means to be a Hebrew, a clean heart in love for the Moshiach!

Since Gentiles do not come from Abraham's loins and do not come "out of thee" as is said in the covenant:

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. Gen. 17:6.

Let's see the "nations" and "kings" that DID come "out of thee" (Abraham.)
Abraham had another son recorded in Scripture: Ishmael. And Ishmael also had twelve sons, princes really and that's a lot of descendants that "come out of" Abraham.
Who else "come out of" Abraham? Oh yes, there was Esau. God blessed him greatly as Scripture records. So, these are the "nations" (see below)

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. Gen. 17:20.

...and "kings" that DID "come out of thee" (Abraham.)

Who else identified as "nations" and "kings" that "come out of thee" (Abraham)? Well, let's check Scripture:

16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. Gen. 17:16.

Talking about the twelve tribes of Israel. King Josiah, King David, King Solomon, and these are just a few of the good kings to "come out of thee" (Abraham.)
But NO GENTILES "come out of thee" (Abraham.)
NONE.

Have you not read -" Though your number will be like the grains of sand only a remnant of Jacob will be saved"? Add to that what was said of the gentile-" In this very place, where it is said you are not a people you will be called the Beloved, sons of the most high". Couple that now with-
"Therefore, all of Israel will be saved". Point? If the Lord says in one place " only a remnant of Jacob will be saved meaning - out of the 12 Tribes of Israel, but also said " all of Israel will be saved", is He contradicting Himself? Of course not, God is not the author of confusion that's the job of people like you!

Here is the original prophecy of Isaiah Paul refers to and Isaiah mentions nothing about being saved, Paul does. Why did he do that when the original prophecy says NOTHING about only a remnant being saved???

20 And it shall come to pass in that day,
That the remnant of Israel,
And such as are escaped of the house of Jacob,
Shall no more again stay upon him that smote them;
But shall stay upon the LORD,
The Holy One of Israel, in truth.
21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob,
Unto the mighty God.
22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea,
Yet a remnant of them shall return:
Is 10:20–22.

And this is what Paul says:

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: Rom. 9:26–27.

Isaiah says that after Israel's exile a remnant shall return to the land of Promise and the number of the sand of the sea shall remain in their exiled land: Gentile lands. Twelve tribes staying back in their exile lands. Makes sense for Jesus to send His apostles out with a message TO THEM that Israel's Messiah had come, and that God has kept His Promise." So, the apostles weren't sent to the Gentiles with the gospel, they were sent INTO GENTILE LANDS where the twelve tribes were to let them know Messiah had come. Makes sense to me given what Isaiah said.

Simply, since Romans 11 speaks of the ingrafting of the gentile, that makes them part of the tree- the house of Israel. Hence, " all of Israel will be saved". So, that includes the remnant of Jacob and the full number of gentile who are now called Hebrews because they traversed.

Paul is not talking about a 'remnant' being saved. Salvation isn't the issue.

Thus, fulfilling the promise made to Abraham-" You will be a father of many nations". Period! And yes, Abraham was a heathen before his calling. That is the mystery of the traversed ones- gentiles revealed. What simply happen is, as Abraham grew in number, as the elect stayed in a convenant, a people grew, becoming eventually a people called Jews. Not because of blood as John the Baptist points out, but rather by faith. Yes they have a lineage going back to father Abraham but Jewishness isn't because of it is the practices instituted in a covenant.

There's a reason why God's covenant didn't go through Japheth and/or Ham.

They are called Jews because of the name of Judah- which means ' In Praise of God' that is in praise of God. God named His people, God made them a people. And outside of the NC they are not a people because the are not in ' praise of God' through His Christ who was promised from the beginning in Genesis.

Yes, I know.

Being a Jew means being in the covenant more than just a sign in the flesh. Hence, why St. Paul said-" You are a Jew when you are one inwardly through circumscision of the heart and spirit". The word of the Lord, praise be to God

Gentile simply means heathen -one who does not know the One True God in faith. Period! Unfortunately most who say they are Jews have reverted back to being heathens, pagans in rejecting the Christ. Hence, their Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud and their Kabbalah and Midrash spewdrash!

It doesn't matter. Some, many Gentile Christians have stories of backsliding same as Israel. But Israel has covenant with God and Paul saying "All Israel shall be saved" is in accordance to Covenant. Even if God destroyed them physically, as per covenant they inherit eternal life PER COVENANT.

Are you telling me Abraham knew God prior to being called? Are you saying his father was not a heathen, his kin from which he was called did not worship idols? If so, then you haven't been reading the bible. And in that case, you really should stop mediating between whatever god and men. Because you most definitely are not a mediator between Yeshua ha Mashiach and men. Your exclusionary doctrine has gotten you excluded from the house. It is backward and a total lie of such unbiblical proportions. People, oy vey!

Israel was twelve tribes. They went after strange gods of wood and marble, etc., but the important thing is that GOD IS FAITHFUL forgiving to one hundredth generation.
All Israel shall be saved as per the Abrahamic Covenant, the Mosaic Covenant, the prophecies, etc.
There are no humans made in God's image in "hell." And the image of God the Father is God the Son.
There is no better image of a Holy Father than a Holy Son.
Oy vey!

 

[Shulammite]

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. Gen. 17:6.

You forgot the full context; Genesis 17:
3Then Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4“As for Me, this is My covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5No longer will you be called Abram, but your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations.
And YES, he was exceedingly fruitful, and yes kings did too descend from him. However, that extends only to the side of Jacob because Esau, defiled himself with Canaanite women, not to mention selling his birthright for some red stew. What you posted didn't disprove anything I said. It did actually go against God and what He said. You misapply His holy word to serve your own objective. If not too for the gentile, then what are you discussing things as a Christian for, to whom you constitute as Christian???I mean that is oxymoronic.
Romans 1:
Unashamed of the Gospel
15That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. 16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek. 17For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”…

Romans 9
22What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? 23What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory— 24including us, whom He has called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles? 25As He says in Hosea:

“I will call them ‘My People’ who are not My people,

and I will call her ‘My Beloved’ who is not My beloved,”i

26and,

“It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them,

‘You are not My people,’

they will be called

‘sons of the living God.’ ”
Can't get anymore clearer than that! And if father Abraham had nothing to do with this, as you say, then you are dead.
27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea,

only the remnant will be saved.

28For the Lord will carry out His sentence on the earth

thoroughly and decisively.”

29It is just as Isaiah foretold:

“Unless the Lord of Hosts had left us descendants,

we would have become like Sodom,

we would have resembled Gomorrah.”

Israel’s Unbelief

30What then will we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. 32Why not? Because their pursuit was not by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33as it is written:

“See, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling

and a rock of offense;

and the one who believes in Him

will never be put to shame.”


Continuing Genesis 17:
6I will make you exceedingly fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will descend from you.

7I will establish My covenant as an everlasting covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.

8And to you and your descendants I will give the land where you are residing—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal possession; and I will be their God.”

People no fear of the Lord. So sad.

 

[Eleanor]

Paul writes to Jewish Christians discussing the effect Israel's JEWISH Messiah had on their Judaic religion.

Previously addressed.

 

[makesends]

Some, many Gentile Christians have stories of backsliding same as Israel. But Israel has covenant with God and Paul saying "All Israel shall be saved" is in accordance to Covenant. Even if God destroyed them physically, as per covenant they inherit eternal life PER COVENANT.

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel

 

[jeremiah1five]

You forgot the full context; Genesis 17:
3Then Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4“As for Me, this is My covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5No longer will you be called Abram, but your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations.
And YES, he was exceedingly fruitful, and yes kings did too descend from him. However, that extends only to the side of Jacob because Esau, defiled himself with Canaanite women, not to mention selling his birthright for some red stew. What you posted didn't disprove anything I said. It did actually go against God and what He said. You misapply His holy word to serve your own objective. If not too for the gentile, then what are you discussing things as a Christian for, to whom you constitute as Christian???I mean that is oxymoronic.
Romans 1:
Unashamed of the Gospel
15That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. 16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek. 17For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”…

The context of Paul's words in Romans is that he is writing to Jewish Christians at Rome. Paul believes in the New Covenant. He's not ashamed of the New Covenant of which the Holy Spirit, the power behind the New Covenant God made with the House of Israel, is the One God put in their inward parts.

As far as Esau goes, he too, was blessed of God.

38 And Esau said unto his father, Hast thou but one blessing, my father? bless me, even me also, O my father. And Esau lifted up his voice, and wept. 39 And Isaac his father answered and said unto him,
Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth,
And of the dew of heaven from above;
40 And by thy sword shalt thou live,
And shalt serve thy brother;
And it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion,
That thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.
Gen. 27:38–40.

The promise may have gone through Isaac, but Esau received blessing of his father Isaac. And God honored the blessing.

Romans 9
22What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? 23What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory— 24including us, whom He has called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles? 25As He says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘My People’ who are not My people,
and I will call her ‘My Beloved’ who is not My beloved,”i
26and,
“It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
they will be called
‘sons of the living God.’ ”
Can't get anymore clearer than that! And if father Abraham had nothing to do with this, as you say, then you are dead.
27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:
“Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea,
only the remnant will be saved.
28For the Lord will carry out His sentence on the earth
thoroughly and decisively.”
29It is just as Isaiah foretold:
“Unless the Lord of Hosts had left us descendants,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have resembled Gomorrah.”
Israel’s Unbelief
30What then will we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. 32Why not? Because their pursuit was not by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33as it is written:
“See, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling
and a rock of offense;
and the one who believes in Him
will never be put to shame.”

OK. Great. Now let's look at the original passages of Scripture Paul mentions to see if he got it right because in Isaiah the prophet talks about a remnant retuning to the land of their fathers, not anything about salvation.

Isaiah is talking about Israel:


I am sought of them that asked not for me;
I am found of them that sought me not:
I said, Behold me, behold me,
Unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people,
Which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face;
That sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
4 Which remain among the graves,
And lodge in the monuments,
Which eat swine’s flesh,
And broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
5 Which say, Stand by thyself,
Come not near to me; for I am holier than thou.
These are a smoke in my nose,
A fire that burneth all the day.
6 Behold, it is written before me:
I will not keep silence, but will recompense,
Even recompense into their bosom,
7 Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD,
Which have burned incense upon the mountains,
And blasphemed me upon the hills:
Therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
Is 65:1–7.

God did divorce Israel for a time, and since the Scripture is TO and FOR Israel ONLY God through Isaiah is talking about a rebellious people to whom He sent the Assyrians and the Babylonians until the time He brought many back to the land of their fathers.

Continuing Genesis 17:
6I will make you exceedingly fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will descend from you.
7I will establish My covenant as an everlasting covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
8And to you and your descendants I will give the land where you are residing—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal possession; and I will be their God.”

People no fear of the Lord. So sad.

You may have to wait until Revelation 11 when the two Jewish witnesses God sends to Israel lead Israel back to God and the Bride is prepared by the washing by the word, without spot or wrinkle.

 

[jeremiah1five]

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Rom. 11:26–29.

It says nothing about Israel accepting Christ as their Messiah but that "all Israel shall be saved."
And they are saved through covenant.
God is faithful to His Bride even if she backslides.
After all, He died for His Bride and Church Israel.

 

[Shulammite]

The context of Paul's words in Romans is that he is writing to Jewish Christians at Rome. Paul believes in the New Covenant. He's not ashamed of the New Covenant of which the Holy Spirit, the power behind the New Covenant God made with the House of Israel, is the One God put in their inward parts.

As far as Esau goes, he too, was blessed of God.

38 And Esau said unto his father, Hast thou but one blessing, my father? bless me, even me also, O my father. And Esau lifted up his voice, and wept. 39 And Isaac his father answered and said unto him,
Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth,
And of the dew of heaven from above;
40 And by thy sword shalt thou live,
And shalt serve thy brother;
And it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion,
That thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.
Gen. 27:38–40.

The promise may have gone through Isaac, but Esau received blessing of his father Isaac. And God honored the blessing.

OK. Great. Now let's look at the original passages of Scripture Paul mentions to see if he got it right because in Isaiah the prophet talks about a remnant retuning to the land of their fathers, not anything about salvation.

Isaiah is talking about Israel:


I am sought of them that asked not for me;
I am found of them that sought me not:
I said, Behold me, behold me,
Unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people,
Which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face;
That sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
4 Which remain among the graves,
And lodge in the monuments,
Which eat swine’s flesh,
And broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
5 Which say, Stand by thyself,
Come not near to me; for I am holier than thou.
These are a smoke in my nose,
A fire that burneth all the day.
6 Behold, it is written before me:
I will not keep silence, but will recompense,
Even recompense into their bosom,
7 Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD,
Which have burned incense upon the mountains,
And blasphemed me upon the hills:
Therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
Is 65:1–7.

God did divorce Israel for a time, and since the Scripture is TO and FOR Israel ONLY God through Isaiah is talking about a rebellious people to whom He sent the Assyrians and the Babylonians until the time He brought many back to the land of their fathers.

You may have to wait until Revelation 11 when the two Jewish witnesses God sends to Israel lead Israel back to God and the Bride is prepared by the washing by the word, without spot or wrinkle.

Please. Stop.

 

[makesends]

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Rom. 11:26–29.

It says nothing about Israel accepting Christ as their Messiah but that "all Israel shall be saved."
And they are saved through covenant.
God is faithful to His Bride even if she backslides.
After all, He died for His Bride and Church Israel.

It was a test of your methods, or habits, of interpretation of Scripture, and if you take "all Israel shall be saved" to mean that there is no offspring of Jacob who will not end up in Heaven, you have failed.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It was a test of your methods, or habits, of interpretation of Scripture, and if you take "all Israel shall be saved" to mean that there is no offspring of Jacob who will not end up in Heaven, you have failed.

God made covenant with Abraham. There is no "faith" mentioned as a requirement by God to this covenant people.
If Israel is as the sand of the seashore, it is not unreasonable to conclude that only a "remnant" shall be saved as Paul writes when the words in Isaiah 62 does not use the word "saved" but "return."
From exile only a "remnant" shall return to their promised land from which they were taken captive and the rest of the twelve tribes of Israel stayed /remained in Assyria and Babylon, or Gentile lands in between which now, according to James, made them "twelve tribes scattered (James 1:1.)

This also makes sense that when Jesus sent out His disciples in Acts 1 before His ascension that He sent them with the message that Israel's Messiah had come, and that God has kept His promise as per prophecy and covenant. It was a Jewish covenant, Jesus was a Jewish Messiah, and it was important to God and Messiah to let the "twelve tribes scattered" that their Redeemer and King had come.
It makes no sense that God would spend thousands of years of progressive covenants and prophecies with the House of Abraham and [the children of] Israel that His first words in this New Covenant era would be to Gentiles worshiping their dumb idols.

 

[Eleanor]

God made covenant with Abraham. There is no "faith" mentioned as a requirement by God to this covenant people.

Don't confuse covenant with salvation.
Faith is not required for covenant, but circumcision is.

Faith his required for salvation,
and all those who believed in the promise (Ge 15:5, seed; Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16) were saved.

 

[makesends]

God made covenant with Abraham. There is no "faith" mentioned as a requirement by God to this covenant people.
If Israel is as the sand of the seashore, it is not unreasonable to conclude that only a "remnant" shall be saved as Paul writes when the words in Isaiah 62 does not use the word "saved" but "return."
From exile only a "remnant" shall return to their promised land from which they were taken captive and the rest of the twelve tribes of Israel stayed /remained in Assyria and Babylon, or Gentile lands in between which now, according to James, made them "twelve tribes scattered (James 1:1.)

This also makes sense that when Jesus sent out His disciples in Acts 1 before His ascension that He sent them with the message that Israel's Messiah had come, and that God has kept His promise as per prophecy and covenant. It was a Jewish covenant, Jesus was a Jewish Messiah, and it was important to God and Messiah to let the "twelve tribes scattered" that their Redeemer and King had come.
It makes no sense that God would spend thousands of years of progressive covenants and prophecies with the House of Abraham and [the children of] Israel that His first words in this New Covenant era would be to Gentiles worshiping their dumb idols.

I'm hoping I misunderstood you at first. When I said not all who are of Israel are Israel, it was because it sounded like you were insisting by repetition that all Jews ("all Israel") would be saved, but now you sound like only a remnant will be. Good!

 

[jeremiah1five]

Don't confuse covenant with salvation.
Faith is not required for covenant, but circumcision is.

Faith his required for salvation,
and all those who believed in the promise (Ge 15:5, seed; Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16) were saved.

Covenant's purpose is the salvation of the Jews. Salvation's promise is TO the Jews.
I suppose God makes covenant with Israel to do what? Share recipes?

In the Abrahamic Covenant there is NO REQUIREMENT of "faith." But if you want to add to Israel's covenant being Gentile have at it. Mostly every Gentile does that.

And Paul writes to Jewish Christians in Galatia. For forty-plus years after ascension the New Covenant Church Jesus said He was to build was populated with Jews. And why not? It IS a Jewish Covenant, NOT a Gentile one.

God made NO COVENANT with Gentiles.
Read my lips and say it with me...

GOD MADE NO COVENANT WITH GENTILES.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I'm hoping I misunderstood you at first. When I said not all who are of Israel are Israel, it was because it sounded like you were insisting by repetition that all Jews ("all Israel") would be saved, but now you sound like only a remnant will be. Good!

Paul changes the word in Isaiah "a remnant shall RETURN" to a "remnant shall be SAVED."
Big error. What was he thinking to manipulate the prophecy like that??
But the original is what's important, and if Israel is as the sand of the sea (which is trillions and trillions and trillions) and a remnant shall return (to their land from exile) that means trillions and trillions and trillions of Jews remained in Gentile lands when Cyrus gave permission for Israel to return to their homeland. This makes Jesus' command to His apostles to go into Samaria, Jerusalem, Judaea, and east (uttermost parts) with the message to the twelve tribes that stayed in Gentile lands after a remnant returned to their homeland easily understood. God was sending the GOOD NEWS (gospel) that Israel's Messiah had come, and that God has kept His promise to Israel.
PERFECT!
That's exactly what happen and to WHOM the good news (gospel) of Messiah's arrival went. TO THE TWELVE TRIBES SCATTERED (in Gentile lands.)
NOT to Gentiles.

 

[makesends]

Paul changes the word in Isaiah "a remnant shall RETURN" to a "remnant shall be SAVED."
Big error. What was he thinking to manipulate the prophecy like that??
But the original is what's important, and if Israel is as the sand of the sea (which is trillions and trillions and trillions) and a remnant shall return (to their land from exile) that means trillions and trillions and trillions of Jews remained in Gentile lands when Cyrus gave permission for Israel to return to their homeland. This makes Jesus' command to His apostles to go into Samaria, Jerusalem, Judaea, and east (uttermost parts) with the message to the twelve tribes that stayed in Gentile lands after a remnant returned to their homeland easily understood. God was sending the GOOD NEWS (gospel) that Israel's Messiah had come, and that God has kept His promise to Israel.
PERFECT!
That's exactly what happen and to WHOM the good news (gospel) of Messiah's arrival went. TO THE TWELVE TRIBES SCATTERED (in Gentile lands.)
NOT to Gentiles.

So the Scripture by Paul's pen —at least, not there— is not inspired of God? Your use of the Old Testament is more reliable than Paul's use of it?

 

[Mr GLee]

Don't tell me about the Scripture, quote it. A sample will do.
But know that the Old Testament Scriptures were written to and for the Herew/Jews in covenant with God.
The Pentateuch was written to and for Israel.
The Psalms were written by Jews in covenant to and for other Jews in covenant, and the prophets were sent to and for Israel.
Same with the New Testament writings.
Jewish Christians writing to Jewish Christians about their Jewish Messiah.
Salvation is of the Jews for a reason.

Yes a God good reason. He moving them to both wil and do his good pleasure showing us He is not served by the hands of dying mankind .

Previously know after the seed of the second born to represent our second birth He was murdered and Seth replaced him as the second born (the genealogy in Matthew ) until He renamed the one family called Abram the father of one . . to a new born again name Abraham meaning the father of all the nations of the world .His children coming from the Amorites Abram's father, and a Hittite his mothers' family .They became enemies of Israel The nation used to represent the heavenly kingdom as a shadow the Christin bride /Christin a more fiting name to name the bride of all the nations of the world . Literally. . . Residences of the city of Christ prepared as his bride the church .Named after her founder and husband Christ.

A name replaced by some as a derogatory word. losing the precios meaning intended by the father for his chaste virgin bride

Isaiah 62:1-5) King James Version62 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

Timothy gentile united as one bride with a Jew

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

 

[makesends]

He moving them to both wil and do his good pleasure

What it says is, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do according to his good pleasure." This is not a reference to his motivating us alone, but to causation. It is God's work to cause us to DO what he has planned for us to do. If it was only a reference to motivation, it would be unnecessary to use the conjunction, "and".

 

[Eleanor]

Covenant's purpose is the salvation of the Jews.

According to Scripture, the covenant's purpose was seed (Ge 15:5), to bring forth the Messiah (Gal 3:16).
God's promise to the Jews was land (Ge 17:8, 26:3, 28:4, 35:12, Ex 6:8, Dt 1:8, 34:4), which was fulfilled under Solomon, both in full possession and full occupation (1 Kgs 4:21, 24-25), as an everlasting possession (Ge 17:8, 48:4) which was fulfilled in the heavenly land (Heb 11:10, 16).
The OT land promise has been fulfilled.

Salvation's promise is TO the Jews.

There was no promise of salvation to the Jews.
There was the promise of seed (Ge 15:5), of the one seed, Jesus Christ (Gal 3:16), where
faith in the promise of seed (Jesus Christ) was salvation.

GOD MADE NO COVENANT WITH GENTILES.

NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church is that God made covenant with Abraham and his seed (singular, Christ, Gal 3:16), and
that all those in Christ by faith, including Gentiles, are the seed (descendants) of Abraham (Gal 3:29) and heirs according to the promise (Gal 3:29).

Some NT Bible study seems appropriate here.

 

[Mr GLee]

What it says is, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do according to his good pleasure." This is not a reference to his motivating us alone, but to causation. It is God's work to cause us to DO what he has planned for us to do. If it was only a reference to motivation, it would be unnecessary to use the conjunction, "and".

yES. . . We are saying the same thing. Not by any work we could do

 

[jeremiah1five]

So the Scripture by Paul's pen —at least, not there— is not inspired of God? Your use of the Old Testament is more reliable than Paul's use of it?

You judge.
Isaiah says "return" and Paul uses "saved."
What's indicated?

 

[Mr GLee]

Paul changes the word in Isaiah "a remnant shall RETURN" to a "remnant shall be SAVED."
Big error. What was he thinking to manipulate the prophecy like that??

It's all one in the same remnant, the remnant that return is the saved remnant . Satan would try and add by dividing
return the captivity over and over throughout the Old testament

Remember to return (the key word) that which was held captive by the enemy is a work of God repenting mankind to turn to Him .Not return to the the dying flesh of sinful mankind .

Jeremiah 32:44 Men shall buy fields for money, and subscribe evidences, and seal them, and take witnesses in the land of Benjamin, and in the places about Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah, and in the cities of the mountains, and in the cities of the valley, and in the cities of the south: for I will cause their captivity to return, saith the Lord.

Jeremiah 33:7 And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.