Overview of Revelation.

[Marilyn C]

 

[Josheb]

Do you believe the book of Revelation was written in linear form and should be read that way? Is Revelation strictly chronological? Are you familiar with the concept of "recapitulation" as it applies to the book of Revelation?

 

[Marilyn C]

Do you believe the book of Revelation was written in linear form and should be read that way? Is Revelation strictly chronological? Are you familiar with the concept of "recapitulation" as it applies to the book of Revelation?

linear - pertain to a line.
chronological - in order of time.
recapitulation - to give a summary, to repeat briefly.

As with all of God`s word Revelation unveils more of our glorious Lord and Saviour. When God granted the four matchless visions of the Son of Man to the Apostle John, on the Isle of Patmos, for the Church He did in nowise ignore the facts and features of the previous manifestation, as recorded in the four gospels. But in this case we are given a clear, comprehensive view of the supernal splendors of the Son of Man as they are known in the heavenly realm beyond. Each vision in turn carries through to completion one aspect in particular of the fourfold ministry of Christ, which He exercised on earth.

His Kinship was expressed in Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke, and His Judgeship in John. With these four messages of the gospel, the Saviour`s title, `The Son of Man,` appears eighty-four times. Under this designation He is displayed as being relatively, legally, morally, and judicially qualified to uphold and maintain the will, the Word, the wisdom and the work of God. These four supreme obligations He discharges righteously, honorably, faithfully, and perfectly.

When God made this fourfold commitment to man, Adam disregarded the will, he disobeyed the Word, he distrusted the wisdom, and he dishonoured the work of God. Of Christ, the last Adam, the prophet predicted, `The pleasure of the LORD will prosper in Hid hand.` (Isa. 53: 10) This is precisely what Christ claimed when He said, `The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.` (John 3: 35)

The Father verifies this fact in each of the visions of the unveiling.

The 7 stars are in His right hand. (Rev. 1: 20)
The 7-sealed book is in His hand. (Rev. 5: 7)
The sacred censor is in His hand. (Rev. 8: 3 - 4)
The sharp sickle is in His hand. (Rev. 14: 14)

Each vision of the unveiling is complete and unfolds chronologically, (with parenthesis) while as a whole brings to a climax the whole of God`s word, (chronologically).

 

[Josheb]

Do you believe the book of Revelation was written in linear form and should be read that way? Is Revelation strictly chronological? Are you familiar with the concept of "recapitulation" as it applies to the book of Revelation?

linear - pertain to a line.
chronological - in order of time.
recapitulation - to give a summary, to repeat briefly.

As with all of God`s word Revelation unveils more of our glorious Lord and Saviour. When God granted the four matchless visions of the Son of Man to the Apostle John, on the Isle of Patmos, for the Church He did in nowise ignore the facts and features of the previous manifestation, as recorded in the four gospels. But in this case we are given a clear, comprehensive view of the supernal splendors of the Son of Man as they are known in the heavenly realm beyond. Each vision in turn carries through to completion one aspect in particular of the fourfold ministry of Christ, which He exercised on earth.

His Kinship was expressed in Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke, and His Judgeship in John. With these four messages of the gospel, the Saviour`s title, `The Son of Man,` appears eighty-four times. Under this designation He is displayed as being relatively, legally, morally, and judicially qualified to uphold and maintain the will, the Word, the wisdom and the work of God. These four supreme obligations He discharges righteously, honorably, faithfully, and perfectly.

When God made this fourfold commitment to man, Adam disregarded the will, he disobeyed the Word, he distrusted the wisdom, and he dishonoured the work of God. Of Christ, the last Adam, the prophet predicted, `The pleasure of the LORD will prosper in Hid hand.` (Isa. 53: 10) This is precisely what Christ claimed when He said, `The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.` (John 3: 35)

The Father verifies this fact in each of the visions of the unveiling.

The 7 stars are in His right hand. (Rev. 1: 20)
The 7-sealed book is in His hand. (Rev. 5: 7)
The sacred censor is in His hand. (Rev. 8: 3 - 4)
The sharp sickle is in His hand. (Rev. 14: 14)

Each vision of the unveiling is complete and unfolds chronologically, (with parenthesis) while as a whole brings to a climax the whole of God`s word, (chronologically).

Thx, but that does not answer my questions.

May I please have direct answers to the specific questions I asked?

1. Do you believe the book of Revelation was written in linear form and should be read that way?
2. Do you believe Revelation strictly chronological?
3. Are you familiar with the concept of "recapitulation" as it applies to the book of Revelation?

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[Marilyn C]

Thx, but that does not answer my questions.

May I please have direct answers to the specific questions I asked?

1. Do you believe the book of Revelation was written in linear form and should be read that way?
2. Do you believe Revelation strictly chronological?
3. Are you familiar with the concept of "recapitulation" as it applies to the book of Revelation?

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I have answered your question. See the last sentence.

 

[Shulammite]

Thx, but that does not answer my questions.

May I please have direct answers to the specific questions I asked?

1. Do you believe the book of Revelation was written in linear form and should be read that way?
2. Do you believe Revelation strictly chronological?
3. Are you familiar with the concept of "recapitulation" as it applies to the book of Revelation?

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I get what you are saying. For me I do not think the Book of Revelation is in chronological order. The reason being, is it would be too easy to figure out. As I see it, it has been misappropriated throughout history. I guess, when at certain times in history things seemed dire that seemed like the logical answer. Personally, I think we have entered those times now or rather in more recent times.

 

[Josheb]

I get what you are saying. For me I do not think the Book of Revelation is in chronological order. The reason being, is it would be too easy to figure out. As I see it, it has been misappropriated throughout history. I guess, when at certain times in history things seemed dire that seemed like the logical answer. Personally, I think we have entered those times now or rather in more recent times.

Verse 1:19 of Revelation tells us there is content in that book that occurred before John ever saw any visions on Patmos, before wrote anything down. He was told to write down things he had seen (past-tense), things which are (present-tense to when he was told that), and things that would come after wards.

Revelation 1:19
Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things.

• Things which John had seen.
• Things which are (things that existed at the time of John's vision).
• Things which will take place after the things he had seen and the things that were.

That is what the verse actually states. I did not add a single pixel to any of it.

So..... we might ordinarily think the book of Revelation is written chronologically since verse 19 is ordered with things that were, things that are and things that will afterwards ensue BUT within a few chapters we run into content we know has already happened in the past mixed in with content about the future! If the woman in chapter 12 is Israel (or Mary) then the verses describing the birth of her son happened decades before John wrote from Patmos. If Revelation is chronological then all the seals and angels and witnesses and everything else described in the previous chapters all happened before the son of chapter 12 was born.

And I do not know anyone who believes that is the case.

So, no, Revelation is not in chronological order.

How then, are we to learn, follow, and understand the events described therein because 1) Revelation is a revealing revealed for the express purpose of being understood, and 2) if it is meant to be understood then there is some means for doing so.

Hence my next question.

Even though it was originally asked of the op, I now ask you: Are you familiar with the concept of "recapitulation" as it applies to Revelation?
Not everyone agrees Revelation recapitulates, but it's not possible to have that conversation unless the concept is understood. Whether it recapitulates or not, because the book is not linear, it is not chronological, it's necessary to apply other scripture to understand the scripture. This isn't the only reason, of course because there are more than 340 Old Testament references in Revelation. Ignoring them will never result in a correct understanding of the book. Similarly, the book of Revelation is rife with figurative and symbolic language and the first best place for understanding those figures of speech and symbols is other scripture.


Now scroll up real quick and re-read the op.


Do you read any scripture-rendering-scripture examples in the op?

Now look at the last line of Post #3.

How do you think this thread is going to go?



How many times is Christ called the "head" in Revelation?
How many times is Christ called the "heir" in Revelation?
How many times is Christ called the "mediator" in Revelation?
How many times is Christ called the "judge" in Revelation?
How many times is Jesus called the "maker of all things new" in Revelation?
What is the title of this thread?

Can you see the problem?

Do you think I am trying to troll?


Clearly things outside of Revelation are brought to bear on "the overview of Revelation" and none of them are cited. Christ is certainly head, heir, mediator, judge, and maker, but he was all of those things before a single word of Revelation was penned and Post #3 states,

Each vision of the unveiling is complete and unfolds chronologically, (with parenthesis) while as a whole brings to a climax the whole of God`s word, (chronologically).

Each vision unfolds chronologically while as a whole it brings a climax to God's word chronologically. She's quite adamant about that.

I have answered your question. See the last sentence.

So....

I've got a conversation going with one member saying Revelation is chronological and another how says it's not.

 

[Josheb]

Personally, I think we have entered those times now or rather in more recent times.

Clarify that for me. What times have we entered now or in more recent times? Please be as specific as you feel comfortable being.