Object of our Faith?

[prism]

If it wasn't for the lord Jesus Christ, there would be no gospel.

Ok, if it wasn't for God's grace and mercy, Jesus would be a law giver.

 

[prism]

There is a contingent here who do not understand what it even means to have believed in vain.

The truth is that if we believe the gospel and we accept it as truth and place our trust in God and obey the gospel we will be saved, because the gospel is "the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes". One can believe the gospel and accept it as truth and yet fail, by choice, to put his trust in God and to obey the gospel. That one has believed in vain.

God works in and through His Gospel unto completion...

Philippians 1:6 KJV
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[Eleanor]

So we can't separate the two?

What do Jn 3:18, Ro 3:25 state?

What do you mean by "separate," believing in Jesus while denying his work?

That is not saving faith.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Ok, if it wasn't for God's grace and mercy, Jesus would be a law giver.

How do you answer your OP?

 

[JIM]

God works in and through His Gospel unto completion...

Philippians 1:6 KJV
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Yes. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

 

[prism]

What do Jn 3:18, Ro 3:25 state?

John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 3:25 (KJV) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

See post # 21.
A Jesus without grace is not a saving Jesus. Grace it's only possible because of the work of Christ at Cavalry.

What do you mean by "separate," believing in Jesus while denying his work?

No, I am saying we cannot separate the work of Christ from the person of Christ.

 

[prism]

How do you answer your OP?

I don't. That's why I am asking. To answer your question, perhaps both.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

I don't. That's why I am asking. To answer your question, perhaps both.

Thank you.

 

[prism]

Yes. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

I am not trying to make a point. I really don't have a dog in this race.

 

[JIM]

I am not trying to make a point. I really don't have a dog in this race.

Then why?

 

[Mr GLee]

John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 3:25 (KJV) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

See post # 21.
A Jesus without grace is not a saving Jesus. Grace it's only possible because of the work of Christ at Cavalry.


No, I am saying we cannot separate the work of Christ from the person of Christ.

Yes faith (Christ invisible power) is a work or labor of His love the powerful object of it . Not subjective

 

[prism]

Then why?

Were you ever curious about where others stand on a certain topic?

 

[JIM]

Were you ever curious about where others stand on a certain topic?

Yes, of course. However, in such matters I usually have thoughts of my own that I am trying to put forth.

 

[Mr GLee]

Definition of Object:
1) a material thing that can be seen and touched.
2) a person or thing to which a specified action or feeling is directed.

I would offer

Faith. The word that causes mysteries divides denominations

Faith a power not of our own self

Faith as a understanding . .an invisible Power working within the faithless.. . . dead in trespass and sin No living hope no God in this present world

Faithless Satan no power other than his lying wonders, wonders, wonders limbo purgatory no end in sight. Deceiving some as if true prophecy from the one source of power, Christ in us (sola scriptura) the sword of the Spirit

Living faith, a belief as a noun (let there be) .as a verb "it was Faithfully good" Called the law of good faith .

Christ as Emanuel powerfully in the believer

A material thing made by non-material eternal Spirit . Again powerfully "let there be ". Not after the rudiments of this dying world called vain traditions .

Faith is a work 'belief" of God;s. . it is good. . . . . not of ourselves, not of ourselves, . excludes boasting. I did it my. . . . way

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

 

[prism]

Yes, of course. However, in such matters I usually have thoughts of my own that I am trying to put forth.

See post #26 & 27, if I had to choose one or the other I'd say BOTH, or does that unnerve you?

 

[JIM]

See post #26 & 27, if I had to choose one or the other I'd say BOTH, or does that unnerve you?

No. But would add that grace as in Ephesians 2:8 is one of God's attributes. As such it is not due to the Messiah, Jesus. but rather is a reason for Jesus our savior.

 

[prism]

No. But would add that grace as in Ephesians 2:8 is one of God's attributes. As such it is not due to the Messiah, Jesus. but rather is a reason for Jesus our savior.

That would be at His incarnation, besides the context from versus 1 through 7 is speaking of His work for us i.e., the Gospel.

 

[JIM]

That would be at His incarnation, besides the context from versus 1 through 7 is speaking of His work for us i.e., the Gospel.

What would be at His incarnation?

 

[prism]

What would be at His incarnation

Ephesians 2:8

 

[JIM]

Ephesians 2:8

Well yes, but Ephesians 2:8 was true from the very beginning. That is one reason why Paul brought Abraham into the argument in Romans 4. So saved by grace through faith didn't begin with the incarnation even though the effects of the incarnation and all that followed was certainly retroactive back to the very beginning. Without the incarnation, there would be no salvation.