No sinner hates it while sinning

[Ghada]

Christians sinners hate it while still sinning as before?

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

How can anyone try to say they hate it while sinning, when we have to lust for it to do it?

"Methinks thou protestest too much."

 

[Ghada]

It's fashionable among some sinful Christians to proclaim with grand humility, what great sinners they still are.

The flip side of such profoundly stated unworthiness, that is more bold than humble, is: They also claim they now really really 'hate' it while sinning, than enjoying it as before. What? Their salvation only takes all the fun out of sinning, but not the sinning?

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

As one of their own so zealously puts it:

"We all —except you, apparently— admit to our own sinful horror, and shrink from it in pain and sorrow,"

Aside from all the shrinking, it speaks of how they hate what they are doing so much, that they are absolutely horrified by it.

First off, in the Bible, loving righteousness and hating iniquity, is by doing righteousness and not doing iniquity.

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

In any case, let's look at what the Bible says about the sinner while sinning:

Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

So, who are we to believe? The sinful person saying they really hate their sinning, or God declaring they actually enjoy it?

Nowhere does God in the Bible ever speak of anyone hates it while sinning against Him. David certainly hated the condemnation of God for sinning, but no one doubts he enjoyed it with Bathsheba, In fact, he enjoyed it so much, that he had her husband killed, so that he could keep on enjoying it.

 

[Ghada]

It's God that knows the hearts, and if God says pleasure is at the heart of all sinning against God and man, then so it is.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Once again we see another side of strong delusion of the ages by unrepented sinners seeking to justify their own sinning: They think by saying they they really really hate sinning while sinning (not by eschewing it), that they make themselves different from other sinners of the world. The only difference is being childish self-deceiving, since the true God that knows the hearts and reigns, says they do still enjoy it.

I find it truly incredible how some people go to any length, and cover every base, to ensure they are not judged nor condemned with the world, while sinning like the world.

What kind of person actually thinks they justify doing evil, by claiming they hate doing evil?? It gives a whole new meaning to the Bible exhortation to love not in word and tongue, but in deed and in truth. So also, we ought to hate not in word in tongue, but in deed and in truth.

And yes, I am an exception along with any responsible mature child or adult. As a sinner I knew I did it, because I ENJOYED it. And if I were to sin today, I still know it's because I am enjoying the pleasure of sinning, more than the love of God.

And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

And so we see it's only by being honest with ourselves, that God can give us a good heart by repentance. Acknowledging sin, includes acknowledging enjoying sinning more than loving God.

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

But for those that come up with every doctrinal deception possible to justify it, there can be no possible godly repentance granted to the lying heart unto His faith and salvation.

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Who really hates it more when murdering someone? The murderer of the one murdered? Likewise, who really hates it more when crucifying the Son afresh? The unrighteous sinner or the Son.

I believe the childishness of claiming to 'now hate' sinning, while still sinning as before, definitely qualifies as, "Thou protestest way too much..."

 

[prism]

At this point I'm a bit confused...

Romans 6:10-11 KJV
For in that he (Jesus) died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. [11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:14 KJV
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[Ghada]

At this point I'm a bit confused...

Romans 6:10-11 KJV
For in that he (Jesus) died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. [11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:14 KJV
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

That's probably because you may be confusing the argument with something else.

I don't see anything in the verses that suggest God is acknowledging any person can be sinning against Him while hating it, rather than enjoying it.

Unless you are suggesting that sinning under grace means hating it while sinning, vs enjoying sinning not under grace?

I would rather say that anyone sinning is hating the grace, as well as God, while sinning.

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

As well as the wisdom of God:

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

As well as the light of God:

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

It certainly isn't any proof of hating the sinning:

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.