God did not impute any sin to His own Son

[Ghada]

Some believe that God imputed sin to His Son on the cross, but did not judge Him a sinner.

Objections:
--No Scripture says God ever imputed sin to His Son. The only ones imputing any sin to the Son, are false accusers of Him blaspheming God by calling Himself the Son of God:

Mar 14:64Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death

---The only ones imputing the Son cursed under the law, are His false accusers and ignorant believers esteeming Him smitten of God, by the law of blasphemy.

Lev 24:16And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death,

Isa 53:4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

If God imputed sin to Jesus, then all them at the cross esteeming Him smitten by God, was true.

---God is the Spirit that imputes righteousness or sin to souls, not bodies. God judges our souls by our deeds, not our bodies.

2Sa 19:19And said unto the king, Let not my lord impute iniquity unto me, neither do thou remember that which thy servant did perversely the day that my lord the king went out of Jerusalem, that the king should take it to his heart.

Lev 17:4And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD; blood shall be imputed unto that man; he hath shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people:

Psa 32:2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Bible imputing is judging the person with the act, whether good or bad. The only ones imputing sin to a person, that is does not commit the sin, is a false accuser, whether knowingly or ignorantly.

---The only Scripture of God imputing anything to His Son, both in prophecy and in the record, is imputing Him righteous and being well-pleased with Him:

Isa 42:21The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Mat 12:18Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Mat 3:17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

---If God imputes sin to a person, but not to the soul, then God imputes righteousness to a person, but not to the soul.

If Jesus was imputed with sin, but not judged a sinner, then those imputed with His righteousness are not judged righteous.

2Co 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

If this means the Father imputed the Son with sin, then the Son was made to be a sinner, not 'as' nor 'like' a sinner. Which contradicts the Scripture that the Son knew no sin in His soul, nor did His soul sin.

If the Son was not made to be a sinner by God imputing Him with sin, then we are not made to be righteous, by God imputing the Son's righteousness to us. Which contradicts the Scripture, that we are made to be righteous by imputed righteousness of God.

---Imputing anything to a person, but not the soul, is separating the person from their own soul. Or is imputing sin or righteousness to a body, but not a the soul. And so, the body and soul are separated on earth, which is only at death in the grave.

---And finally, God imputing anything to the Son, is God imputing it to God, else the Word and Son are not God.

If the sin bearing of the Son on the cross was imputed sin by God, then God imputed sin to God the Son and God the Father and God the Holy Ghost, else God the Father, Son, and Spirit are not one.

If the sinbearing of the Son is the imputed sin of the Father, than the Father and the Spirit are sin bearers with the Son.

 

[Ghada]

2Co 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

God does not impute any sin to, nor make to be sin, the same person He judges righteous to know no sin.

The teaching of the Son the sin bearer: Bearing the sinful deeds of man in His body.

Isaiah{50:5} The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back. {50:6} I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

1 Pe 2:22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth. Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

The only sins the Son bare on the cross, were the sins of wicked men and ignorant sinners upon His body. He bare in His own body the marks of sinful stripes and scourging and nails. Which He still bare in His resurrected body:

Jhn 20:25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

If bearing the sinful marks and prints of sinners on one's body, is imputed sin by God, then Paul also was a sin bearer like the Son:

Gal 6:17From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

The only Scripture speaking of the Son bearing sin, is in His body, with unjust and sinful marks and prints.

2Co 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

He was only made to be sin by sinful man. And He was made sin for wicked and ignorant man to believe He was smitten of God, including all men that have sinned.

He was made sin for us that sinned, to be made guilty of His innocent blood on the cross, the Jew first and also the Gentile.

All us that sinned, are all made guilty at the cross, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him, the Jew first and also the Gentile.

Rom 11:32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

The righteous Judge cannot and will not make anyone to be sin, who did no sin, knew no sin, nor was ever a sinner on earth.

The Father only made the Son to be sin by sinful man, by commanding Him to submit to their hands. Thus both the Father and the Son made Him to be unjustly handled a sinner: the Father by commandment, and the Son by obedience.

Both the Father and the Son made Himself to be a cursed sinner on a tree, by the wicked hands at the cross, and also imputed to all sinful hands of the whole world. He also did so meekly without protest by commandment of the Father.

For the purpose of us all being concluded unbelievers in Him at the cross, and esteeming Him a blasphemer smitten of God, first the Jew and also the Gentile. And He only did so that by His resurrection, the Son might have mercy upon all men, that repent of their own sins and trespasses for His name's sake, first the Jew and also the Gentile.

Rom 11:32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

All men that sinned are made to be guilty of the Son's blood at the cross, that all men might be made righteous in Him:

2Co 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[Ghada]

2Co 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The Scripture does not say that all men are made righteous in Him, but that all men might be, which is only by repentance of our own sins and trespasses against Him:

Acts{17:30} And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Acts 3:19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

2 Cor 7:10For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

By commandment of the Father to His own Son, Jesus by obedience was made to be sin by the hands of sinners, for all sinners to be imputed guilty of His blood at the cross. And also that all sinners might esteem their own sinning so exceeding sinful, that we might repent with godly sorrow, and be made the righteousness of God in Him.

God did not impute any sin to His own Son at the cross, nor was any sinner at the cross made righteous by unjustly crucifying Him. Nor is any sinner imputed and made the righteousness of God by Jesus' death on the cross.

1 Peter{1:3} Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Only by the Son's resurrection from the dead, is any person born again of God.

 

[Ghada]

2Co 13:4For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

Now we see the mystery of being weak by the power of God: The Son by commandment was made to be weak in the face of His enemies, by wilful submission to their accusations, smitings, and crucifixion. He was not without strength, but was made to be without protest nor resistance as a meek lamb to the slaughter.

Even as He was made by commandment to be sin in the hands of wicked men, so He was made to be weak before their sinjful will.

He was not made to be a sinner, nor a weak person, but only made by commandment to be sin and weak in the hands of sinners, through obedience.

His strength and power of God was to open not His mouth in self-defence nor righteous indignation nor reviling His accusers, knowing He was righteous and not guilty of the sin of blasphemy against God.

Once again, if God inmputed sin to Him as His accusers believed, then God made Him to be a sinner, and their esteem of Him as smitten by God as a blasphemer, would have been true.

 

[Ghada]

Gal 6:17From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

Did the Lord make the martks in Paul's own body? No. Did the Lord impute Paul worthy of those marks by sin and guilt? Did the Lord make Paul to be a sinner in their lawful hands?

Paul is declaring the marks recieved by sinful and ignorant hands were the Lord's, by submission to the Lord's will to suffer on His behalf.

1Pe 2:21For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

And so it is that Jesus as Paul's example of bearing the marks of the Father, meekly suffering injustice by His will:

1 Pe 2:22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth. Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

Even as the Son bare the marks of the Father by obedient submission to the smiters, so the apostle bare the marks of the Lord Jesus by obedient sumbission to the smiters.

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

However, whereas the sins and trespasses of all men and women were imputed to the hands smiting the Son's own body, only those of the smiters were guilty of Paul's marked body.

Why? Because all men that sin are conlcuded in unbelief at the cross of Jesus, there were many believers judging the apostle innocent of bonds and punishment. Even some unbelievers judged Paul innocent:

Act 25:25But when I found that he had committed nothing worthy of death, and that he himself hath appealed to Augustus, I have determined to send him.

But as Scripture declares by prophecy, all at the cross both believers and unbelievers alike, esteemed Jesus smitten of God, worthy of death by blasphemy.

It is necessary in the wisdom of God, that all men that sinned be found guilty at His Son's cross, the Jews first and also the Gentile, else if any had believed Him and stood with Him, then no other man nor woman could have mercy by repentance after His death.

 

[makesends]

Interesting message in Church, today. "Put them out from among you."

"They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good."

"Causing divisions"

"Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping."

 

[Carbon]

Some believe that God imputed sin to His Son on the cross, but did not judge Him a sinner.

Objections:
--No Scripture says God ever imputed sin to His Son. The only ones imputing any sin to the Son, are false accusers of Him blaspheming God by calling Himself the Son of God:

Mar 14:64Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death

---The only ones imputing the Son cursed under the law, are His false accusers and ignorant believers esteeming Him smitten of God, by the law of blasphemy.

Lev 24:16And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death,

Isa 53:4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

If God imputed sin to Jesus, then all them at the cross esteeming Him smitten by God, was true.

---God is the Spirit that imputes righteousness or sin to souls, not bodies. God judges our souls by our deeds, not our bodies.

2Sa 19:19And said unto the king, Let not my lord impute iniquity unto me, neither do thou remember that which thy servant did perversely the day that my lord the king went out of Jerusalem, that the king should take it to his heart.

Lev 17:4And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD; blood shall be imputed unto that man; he hath shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people:

Psa 32:2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Bible imputing is judging the person with the act, whether good or bad. The only ones imputing sin to a person, that is does not commit the sin, is a false accuser, whether knowingly or ignorantly.

---The only Scripture of God imputing anything to His Son, both in prophecy and in the record, is imputing Him righteous and being well-pleased with Him:

Isa 42:21The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Mat 12:18Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Mat 3:17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

---If God imputes sin to a person, but not to the soul, then God imputes righteousness to a person, but not to the soul.

If Jesus was imputed with sin, but not judged a sinner, then those imputed with His righteousness are not judged righteous.

2Co 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

If this means the Father imputed the Son with sin, then the Son was made to be a sinner, not 'as' nor 'like' a sinner. Which contradicts the Scripture that the Son knew no sin in His soul, nor did His soul sin.

If the Son was not made to be a sinner by God imputing Him with sin, then we are not made to be righteous, by God imputing the Son's righteousness to us. Which contradicts the Scripture, that we are made to be righteous by imputed righteousness of God.

---Imputing anything to a person, but not the soul, is separating the person from their own soul. Or is imputing sin or righteousness to a body, but not a the soul. And so, the body and soul are separated on earth, which is only at death in the grave.

---And finally, God imputing anything to the Son, is God imputing it to God, else the Word and Son are not God.

If the sin bearing of the Son on the cross was imputed sin by God, then God imputed sin to God the Son and God the Father and God the Holy Ghost, else God the Father, Son, and Spirit are not one.

If the sinbearing of the Son is the imputed sin of the Father, than the Father and the Spirit are sin bearers with the Son.

Do you know what imputation is?

 

[Ghada]

Do you know what imputation is?

If any imputation is sin to Jesus Christ on a cross, then it's a false imputing, not God's.

The prophecy of that error is to all them at the cross. To continue that false charge after His resurrection, is far worse than before.

1Co 12:3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:

Unbelieving Jews and Muslims still believing He was cursed for blasphemy and wothy of death on a cross, is one thing. But Christians naming His name also imputing that sin to Him? That's inexcusable.

Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God...Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

They wrongly charged Him blaspheming God by calling Himself Son.

Isa 53:4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

They wrongly esteemed Him smitten of God by the law of blasphemy.

1Co 12:3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:

They are still wrongly imputing Him with sin of blasphemy, and cursed of God on a tree.

 

[makesends]

If any imputation is sin to Jesus Christ on a cross, then it's a false imputing, not God's.

The prophecy of that error is to all them at the cross. To continue that false charge after His resurrection, is far worse than before.

1Co 12:3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:

Unbelieving Jews and Muslims still believing He was cursed for blasphemy and wothy of death on a cross, is one thing. But Christians naming His name also imputing that sin to Him? That's inexcusable.

Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God...Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

They wrongly charged Him blaspheming God by calling Himself Son.

Isa 53:4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

They wrongly esteemed Him smitten of God by the law of blasphemy.

1Co 12:3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:

They are still wrongly imputing Him with sin of blasphemy, and cursed of God on a tree.

Seems almost as though you are being purposely blind.

We are not imputing sin to him. That is over and done with. God imputed it to the Christ. Did Christ not bear our sins on the cross?

 

[Ghada]

We are not imputing sin to him.

Anyone that still believes He was smitten of God, certainly do still believe God imputed Jesus Christ with sin on the cross.

1Co 12:3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:

The ubelieving Jews certainly still do impute Jesus with sin on the cross, and worthy of death. As well as the Muslims that condemn Jesus of blasphemy for calling Himself the Son of God.

As well as any Christians that believe God imputed the Son with sin and smote Him by law on a cursed tree.

Lev 24:16And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.

That is over and done with.

Not with the god of this world and anyone, that still believes God imputed Jesus with sin on the cross.

Unbeleiving Jews and Muslims state plainly Jesus sinned and was guilty of blasphemy before God, and so was rightly cursed on a cross.

Confused and errant Christians want to agree God imputed Jesus with sin and smote Him, but was not guilty.

It compounds the false accusation against the Father also, for imputing sin to Him that knew no sin. The Jews and Muslims only accuse Jesus of guilty, not God for falsely accusing and slaying the innocent.

That's what the god of this world did, and used the wicked hands of man, the Jews first and also the Gentiles, to execute the lying judgment and sentence.

God imputed it to the Christ.

The god of this world did and still does. As well as all the unbelievers at the cross, which included all His own disicples that forsook Him.

Isa 53:3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Isa 53:4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

The righteous God cannot even tempt man to sin, much less unjustly impute evil to the innocent, and impute good to the guilty.

Rom 9:14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Only the god of this world imputes unrighteousness to the righteous, as well as those who esteem Jesus was accursed by God with sin on the cross.

Gal 3:13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Jesus was made a curse under the law, not by the righteous Father, but by sinful man abusing the law of God.

Only by commandment of the Father, did the Son meekly submit to the sinful hands that slew Him. The Father commanding the Son to submit to sinful hands, is not the Father commanding the sinful hands to smite Him.

Isaiah{50:5} The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back. {50:6} I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

Scripture plainly declares Jesus was not smitten of God, but of unrighteous men abusing the law.

Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Mar 14:64Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

It is sinful man esteem Jesus imputed with sin and smitten of God. Why? Because His obedience of meekness was made so perfect by the Son, that no one could believe any innocent man would submit to false accusation and execution, with so much as single word of defence.

Isa 53:7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

Lawful men might submit to abuse of the law, but not without any defence. No man has ever willingly submitted to unjust execution of law without a word of defence, save One, Jesus Christ the righteous doing so by perfect submission to the will of the Father, not to the will of sinful men.

 

[Red Baker]

If any imputation is sin to Jesus Christ on a cross, then it's a false imputing, not God's.

The prophecy of that error is to all them at the cross. To continue that false charge after His resurrection, is far worse than before.

1Co 12:3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:

Unbelieving Jews and Muslims still believing He was cursed for blasphemy and wothy of death on a cross, is one thing. But Christians naming His name also imputing that sin to Him? That's inexcusable.

Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God...Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

They wrongly charged Him blaspheming God by calling Himself Son.

Isa 53:4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

They wrongly esteemed Him smitten of God by the law of blasphemy.

1Co 12:3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:

They are still wrongly imputing Him with sin of blasphemy, and cursed of God on a tree.

You must be loaded with many false teachings since I'm just beginning to read some of your corruption of the scriptures. What does this scripture say to you? I'm anxious to hear your answer.

2nd Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.​

Here is one of the plainest statements of justification, reconciliation, and salvation in the Bible.

This is a legal verse, which does not address the eternal, vital, practical, or final phases of salvation. There is no possibility or potential in this transaction, for God purposed it and did it (Eph 1:11).

Legally speaking, reconciliation was completed by Jesus Christ at Calvary (Romans 4:25; 5:10). Legal transactions are in God’s mind, but as binding as any other transaction (Romans 5:12-19).

God viewed the elect from eternity as reconciled, (the only possibly manner in which he could have ever walk with such men as Enoch, and others he had fellowship with in the OT) but He actually provided the price at the cross. Consider the two incredible sides of the most fantastic legal settlement made in the world’s history.

1. First, God put our sins on sinless Jesus Christ, Who then died as a Substitute for them (Is 53:4-12; Dan 9:24; Rom 5:6-10,15-21; I Cor 15:3; Heb 9:15; 10:10-14; I Pet 2:24; 3:18; Rev 1:5; 5:9)! To deny this truth, is to deny the gospel of Jesus Christ.
2. Second, God put the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ on us, by choosing us acceptable in Him (Acts 10:34-35; Rom 3:21-26; 5:15-21; 8:3-4; I Cor 1:30; Eph 1:3-6; Phil 3:9)! By an act of mercy without the deeds of the law. Saints were actually one with Christ from before the foundation of the world, and members of his body from then (according to God's eternal purposes) until NOW!

 

[makesends]

makesends said:
We are not imputing sin to him.

Anyone that still believes He was smitten of God, certainly do still believe God imputed Jesus Christ with sin on the cross.

You have stopped listening with my first sentence. I didn't say we don't believe sin was imputed to him. I said WE don't impute it to him. God did. Not us. Hello.

We don't even have the authority nor the ability to do such a thing.

 

[Red Baker]

Matthew 26:31​

“Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.”

Zechariah 13:7​

“Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.”

Psalms 22:1​

" My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?”

Isaiah 53:4-10~"Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.:

Just a verse scriptures to consider before I come later and address the following post:

Some believe that God imputed sin to His Son on the cross, but did not judge Him a sinner.

Objections:
--No Scripture says God ever imputed sin to His Son. The only ones imputing any sin to the Son, are false accusers of Him blaspheming God by calling Himself the Son of God:

Mar 14:64Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death

---The only ones imputing the Son cursed under the law, are His false accusers and ignorant believers esteeming Him smitten of God, by the law of blasphemy.

Lev 24:16And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death,

Isa 53:4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

If God imputed sin to Jesus, then all them at the cross esteeming Him smitten by God, was true.

---God is the Spirit that imputes righteousness or sin to souls, not bodies. God judges our souls by our deeds, not our bodies.

2Sa 19:19And said unto the king, Let not my lord impute iniquity unto me, neither do thou remember that which thy servant did perversely the day that my lord the king went out of Jerusalem, that the king should take it to his heart.

Lev 17:4And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD; blood shall be imputed unto that man; he hath shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people:

Psa 32:2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Bible imputing is judging the person with the act, whether good or bad. The only ones imputing sin to a person, that is does not commit the sin, is a false accuser, whether knowingly or ignorantly.

---The only Scripture of God imputing anything to His Son, both in prophecy and in the record, is imputing Him righteous and being well-pleased with Him:

Isa 42:21The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Mat 12:18Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Mat 3:17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

---If God imputes sin to a person, but not to the soul, then God imputes righteousness to a person, but not to the soul.

If Jesus was imputed with sin, but not judged a sinner, then those imputed with His righteousness are not judged righteous.

2Co 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

If this means the Father imputed the Son with sin, then the Son was made to be a sinner, not 'as' nor 'like' a sinner. Which contradicts the Scripture that the Son knew no sin in His soul, nor did His soul sin.

If the Son was not made to be a sinner by God imputing Him with sin, then we are not made to be righteous, by God imputing the Son's righteousness to us. Which contradicts the Scripture, that we are made to be righteous by imputed righteousness of God.

---Imputing anything to a person, but not the soul, is separating the person from their own soul. Or is imputing sin or righteousness to a body, but not a the soul. And so, the body and soul are separated on earth, which is only at death in the grave.

---And finally, God imputing anything to the Son, is God imputing it to God, else the Word and Son are not God.

If the sin bearing of the Son on the cross was imputed sin by God, then God imputed sin to God the Son and God the Father and God the Holy Ghost, else God the Father, Son, and Spirit are not one.

If the sinbearing of the Son is the imputed sin of the Father, than the Father and the Spirit are sin bearers with the Son.

Jesus was judge to be a sinner legally at the cross~Jesus was made a curse for his people that we might be made the righteousness of God!

Galatians 3:13​

“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”

The very reason why God forsook him according to Psalms 22:1~legally, he had our sins imputed on him by God, as a perfect sacrifice for the sins of God's elect. He was as a lamb without blemish or spot~because of the witness from the scriptures, death had no power over him, thereby according to the justice of God he was raised from the dead according to the spirit of holiness that Christ possess perfectly in thoughts, words, and deed, from conception to his death on the cross. Selah.

Romans 1:4​

“And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:”

I'll come back to address each point in the OP, very soon.

 

[Red Baker]

Some believe that God imputed sin to His Son on the cross, but did not judge Him a sinner.

God did both, (legally speaking) and all of God's children believe this truth, who have a little understanding of the truth. See post #11,13.

Mar 14:64Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death

---The only ones imputing the Son cursed under the law, are His false accusers and ignorant believers esteeming Him smitten of God, by the law of blasphemy.

Both are true.

Acts 2:23​

“Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:”

God in His infinite knowledge knew what men who do when left to themselves, and used that to carry out his eternal purposes of grace toward his elect people. God did not work in them to do this wickedness, but knew perfectly what they would do, when left the devices of their own dark and depraved hearts.

Isa 53:4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Why did you even quote this scripture, it does nothing to support what you are saying, actually it reveals your error more than anything/ Talking about being deceived, you are deceiving yourself more than anyone else. Do you truly understand what this wonderful scripture is saying? I think not.

--God is the Spirit that imputes righteousness or sin to souls, not bodies. God judges our souls by our deeds, not our bodies.

2Sa 19:19And said unto the king, Let not my lord impute iniquity unto me, neither do thou remember that which thy servant did perversely the day that my lord the king went out of Jerusalem, that the king should take it to his heart.

Lev 17:4And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer an offering unto the LORD before the tabernacle of the LORD; blood shall be imputed unto that man; he hath shed blood; and that man shall be cut off from among his people:

Psa 32:2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Not the Spirit, as though there are others~but God is a Spirit, that inhabited eternity. But that will not be my main point with these scriptures you quotes.

"Spirit that imputes righteousness"~So, do you agree, yes or no, God does imputes righteousness, to sinners freely by his grace, based upon the redemption that Jesus Christ secured for God's elect, a simple yes or no would be appreciated, with a short explanation if you think you need to do so.

"God judges our souls by our deeds, not our bodies" ~please explain what you are attempting to say. Are you saying not our bodies by the fact that he does not destroy our bodies when one sins against him, not sure what you mean by this.

Man is a three-part being, with a body, spirit, and soul. And he will always have all three.

Paul prayed that the Thessalonians would be kept spirit, soul, and body (I Thess 5:23). The spirit may be our inner, self-conscious, conscientious, choosing, and loving part. The body may be the house of the spirit, is actuated by the spirit, and affects the spirit. The soul may be the life force combining the two into a coordinated, functioning person.

So, I will wait and let you explain position.

--The only Scripture of God imputing anything to His Son, both in prophecy and in the record, is imputing Him righteous and being well-pleased with Him:

Half truth, the other part is covered in #11,13 above, which you reject. By rejecting the other half means you reject the heart of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

If Jesus was imputed with sin, but not judged a sinner, then those imputed with His righteousness are not judged righteous.

No if about it, he was! He also was judged a sinner legally by God's law, thereby he was put to death!

Romans 6:23​

“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

I'm rushing through this, I'll come back and finish and will add more to above quotes of yours. I see where I miss a couple of things.

 

[Ghada]

Did Christ not bear our sins on the cross?

Yes. Jesus bore in His body all the sinful spittings, stripes, and marks of crucifixion by wicked hands. He did not bear any sin on His soul, because He knew no sin.

God imputing our own sins upon the body of His Son, and not just those sinfully handling Him at the cross, is God's judgment of guilt to all that sin against Christ of unjustly beating and killing and shedding Jesus' righteous and innocent blood.

Bearing 'our sins' as well as them of wicked hands, is not for forgiveness, but is for inclusion in guilt. It is not a good thing for sinners to have their sins marking the body of Jesus Christ on a cross, but is as bad a judgment against the wicked hands at the cross.

 

[Ghada]

If God imputed Jesus, or any man, with sin worthy of death and cursed by law on a tree, then the righteous Lord judges the hands of the crucifiers to be righteous under the law, not wicked.

Deu 19:12Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die. Thine eye shall not pity him, but thou shalt put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.
The false accusers took no pity on Jesus, because they, not God, imputed Him with sin worthy of death by law. The Son did not come down from the cross, because the Father's commandment was to submit to wicked hands unto death.

The Father commanded the Son to submit to crucifixion. He did not command Jesus to be crucified. He aproved the Son's obedience unto death. He did not aprove His crucifixion.

The false accusers made Jesus a curse on the cross. The Father did not make Jesus Christ a curse by law. Commanding the Son to become unjustly cursed by unlawful men, is not commanding unjust men to curse the Son as a blasphemer.

The crucifixion of Jesus Christ was by the command and will of unjust men abusing the law. Jesus' crucifixion was not at the command and will of God by the law. The Father commanded the Son to submit to death, He did not kill Him.

Isaiah{50:5} The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back. {50:6} I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

He commanded the Son to bare His back to be smitten, He did not smite Him on the back.

 

[Red Baker]

Yes. Jesus bore in His body all the sinful spittings, stripes, and marks of crucifixion by wicked hands.

Then your jesus did not paid for your sins, or anyone else, if that's all he did in your gospel which you teach and preach~it is another gospel.

He did not bear any sin on His soul, because He knew no sin.

Because he did knew no sin, that made him God's Lamb that would be the surety of his elect. He did indeed bear the sins of his people legally before the law of God by being put to death in their place~the only price that could be paid for our sins~the blood and death of Jesus, the Son of God. Just suffering spittings, stripes and marks, is nowhere enough, his blood had to be shed, for his people for them to escape the second death~which is pershing in the lake of fire,

Ephesians 2:13​

“But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

1st Peter 1:19​

“But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:”

Hebrews 9:14​

“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”

Hebrews 9:22​

“And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.”

Revelation 1:5​

“And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,”

So many more could be given.. One question for you~Why do the scriptures tell us that it pleased the LORD to bruise Jesus? In your gospel, you must believe that God was unrighteous in bruising an innocent person (especially his own beloved Son) unless he was not so legally~God made Jesus to be sin for his people, who knew no sin............. please explain the following scriptures from the prophet Isaiah.

Isaiah 53:4-10~"Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.:

God imputing our own sins upon the body of His Son, and not just those sinfully handling Him at the cross, is God's judgment of guilt to all that sin against Christ of unjustly beating and killing and shedding Jesus' righteous and innocent blood.

Bearing 'our sins' as well as them of wicked hands, is not for forgiveness, but is for inclusion in guilt. It is not a good thing for sinners to have their sins marking the body of Jesus Christ on a cross, but is as bad a judgment against the wicked hands at the cross.

I must admit, you must translate what you are attempting to say, you have me confused~use scriptures to support what you are attempting to teach, you are making no sense. I can speculate what you are saying, but I rather have you to provide scriptural proof of what you saying.

 

[Ghada]

Only sinful unbelievers at the cross imputed the Son guilty and smitten of God by law, not God. And only sinful unbelievers were at the cross, not faithful children of God.

And all men that sin are concluded likewise by God, as being unbelievers at the cross of Jesus Christ.

Rom{11:32} For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

No man on earth is judged a righteous believer of God at the cross of Jesus Christ, but all men that have sinned, are judged unrighteous believers, and guilty of sheddding the innocent blood of the Son with the wicked hands of men.

Anyone that claims they would not have forsaken Jesus and stood by Him even unto death, as Peter swore and did not, is of the same spirit of them that claimed they would not have killed the prophets as their fathers did.

Mat 23:29Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

The Scripture's conclusion is that all men have sinned, so that all men killed the Son at the cross, and all men that sin are still crucifying Him to themselves.

Gal 3:22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Rom{11:32} For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

This is the offence of the cross that the world of sinners hates. What sinner is offended at at being made righteous with the killing of the righteous?

Where is the offence of a cross preached where by killing the Son on a cross, many become sons at that cross? That gospel of a cross is only offensive to the justice of the righteous, not to the injustice of the unrighteous.

 

[Red Baker]

Only sinful unbelievers at the cross imputed the Son guilty and smitten of God by law, not God.

You have a very strange way of wording your understanding~is English your first language? But, be as it may be, I'll try to make as much sense of it the best I can.

Ghada, we are are sinful in comparison to the law of God true spiritual meaning.

Matthew 7:11​

“If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?”

But, to the heart of your statement, which is where your great error lays, you said~not God. But the truth is according to the scriptures, God in his infinite wisdom and perfect foreknowledge of all things from the beginning until the end, used the wickedness and evil hearts of men to perfectly carry out the very means whereby, his Son could be the perfect, spotless, Lamb of God slain in place of his elect~to save them from suffering the second death of perishing in the Lake of fire. We have covered this once, will not do so the second time.

And only sinful unbelievers were at the cross, not faithful children of God.

Prove it. Give me scriptures. Besides, your point that you desire to make is invalid, meaningless, moot point~since both are true as I have said.

No man on earth is judged a righteous believer of God at the cross of Jesus Christ, but all men that have sinned, are judged unrighteous believers, and guilty of sheddding the innocent blood of the Son with the wicked hands of men.

I almost want to give up trying to understand what you desire for others to hear from you, I seriously can not make out what you desire to say. I'll try~but I may not get it right.

So, are you saying that no man has ever been judged by God as righteous based upon what Jesus did at the cross? And, by the cross where Jesus died, this judges all men as sinners and guilty of shedding innocent blood? I'll wait to hear from you.

 

[JIM]

2Co 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The Scripture does not say that all men are made righteous in Him, but that all men might be, which is only by repentance of our own sins and trespasses against Him:

Rom 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

To be justified is to be declared righteous.