No repentance for God is by our own will power alone

[jeremiah1five]

Sin-cursed is death by sinning. It's the curse of the law of sin and death.

No, "sin-cursed" is death by sin.

Your christ is sin cursed, not only by sinning, but by justifying sinning of his believers.

I'm tired of this.
Believe what you want.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

My Christ was made to be sin, who knew no sin. He was not cursed with death by sinning. He was made a curse by hanging on a tree, not by sinning on the tree.

And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

If the curse of sinning men was imputed to one man, the Son on the cross, then all sinful men past, present, and future are now made alive to God. Because no other man would be cursed by the law with death to God by sinning.

That is the serpent's doctrine of the soul shall not surely die by sinning. Including Cain.

Such unrighteous and devilish doctrine would make Jesus the only man to ever die to God by sinning. It's the exact opposite of the truth, that all men have sinned and died to God, and only one man sinned not nor died to God, Jesus Christ.

God's law of sin and death was not killed on the cross. The soul that is sinning dies, and no murderer has eternal life.

In obedience to the Father, Jesus was made to be cursed with unjust death at the hands of sinful men, and all men that have sinned are made guilty of His cursed death on a tree.

Only them that for Jesus' sake repent of their own sinning, is the law's curse of past sin and death taken away. A wholly new creature is now made alive to God and His righteousness, by being made dead to sinning and unrighteousness.

Those still sinning against God are still cursed by the law and dead to God, and still crucifying the Son unto themselves:

If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Satan's doctrine following the garden, is that sons are borne up with salvation, while still putting the Son to death by their own sinning.

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Satan of course leaves out the part about being kept with righteousness and true holiness in all our ways.

 

[brightfame52]

Repentance is given by the Saviour !​

As it is with Gospel Faith, so it is with Gospel Repentance, its not of man, but the Gift of the Saviour. Jesus told His sent Messengers that Repentance and Remission of sins are to be preached in His Name Lk 24:46-47

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

That they should be preached in His Name means they are products , effects of His Person and Work, His suffering and death and resurrection.

He was raised from the dead a Prince and a Saviour in order to give repentance and remission of sins Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

The word give[ didómi ] here means to bestow as a Gift

Its a word that denotes causative results, it means to bring forth, for instance how the word is used here Matt 13:8

8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

James 5:18

And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

So Christ as a Risen Saviour brings about and effects repentance upon them He's a Saviour unto, those He suffered and died for, mainly the Elect of God amongst all Nations !

Christ isn't ones Saviour if He doesnt give them Repentance !

 

[Ghada]

No, "sin-cursed" is death by sin.

Wow, no that's different.

Believe what you want.

It's not my belief. It's your Jews-only sin-cursed messiah. Not mine.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Wow, no that's different.




It's not my belief. It's your Jews-only sin-cursed messiah. Not mine.

Hallelu-JAH!

 

[Ghada]

Hallelu-JAH!

Are you JW too? They say Jehovah is the creator of the great christ angel. They gush all over themselves about how many times the name Jehovah appears in the Bible, and get into temper tantrums about the LORD being written instead.

And yet, once Jesus is named in the NT, the name Jehovah doesn't even appear anymore in the Bible.

They're so pathetic about it, that they're reduced to finding their great jehovah-name sneaking in way back in Revelation Rev 19. They repeat it the same way as you, Hallelu-JAH, as if that's supposed to impressive Bible readers, that Jehovah is still the only name of the Lord God.

The name of the LORD in the flesh on earth was Jesus, and the name of the risen God of Israel is still Jesus. Jehovah was His great name made known to the children of Israel, before His name was changed to Jesus on earth, and Emmanuel, God with us.

His name was made known to Abraham before that of Jehovah, as God Almighty.

So, is your christ also created as their's, or are you just bragging after the flesh and showing off your great 'Jewishness'?

 

[Ghada]

And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

There are two kinds of repentance with man on earth: Man's half-hearted repentance by his own will for his own glory with a corruptible crown, and God's whole-hearted repentance for Jesus' sake and glory with the incorruptible crown.

1. Man's repentance is 'at his own time', as they say, and according to his own will and purposes of success. In religion of man, including the Christian version, it's called 'progressive sanctification' from sinning by gradual repentance of things that hinder and corrupt their goal and crown.

It's the religious repentance of convenience, that never ends in whole repentance of all sins and trespasses, but only in part. The resulting religious conversion is to sin less than before, but never cease the sinning.

It's called sinners saved by grace.

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

2. God's repentance granted to the heart and life of any man, according to the commanded will of God for Jesus' sake. It starts with whole hearted repentance of all our transgressions and lust itself.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

The immediate operation of God by His Spirit is being given a quick and whole new heart and life with circumcision and sanctification of Christ.

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

We are newborn at once into the pure religion of Jesus Christ, with the divine nature and power of the Son and Spirit given to us, keep ourselves from sinning with the world, even as the Son did by the father and that same Holy Spirit.

It's called saints in Christ Jesus.

And so, man's repentance is only in part for his own purposes at his own time and will, whether for religion, health, career, etc... But God's repentance is whole and complete at once by His will, for Jesus' sake alone.

Man's own limited repentance by his own will and of his own choosing for a corruptible crown, and God's own completed repentance granted to man by His own commandment for His own Son's sake for His own incorruptible crown of righteousness and everlasting life.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Ghada]

There is a third claimed repentance that is not repentance, neither by man nor from God. It's called repentance of the 'mind'.

It's the delusional doctrine of hearers only, who only change their minds about sin by hearing the word, but harden themselves not to change their hearts from sinning.

It's mocked by men and God alike. Men that do repent in deed for their own crown in life, laugh at it as childish mind-games. And God who commands whole hearted repentance of lusting and sinning, despises it as religious insult to His Spirit of grace:

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Doctrinal repentance of the mind despises the Spirit of grace, who convicts the heart to obey God and repent of all our transgressions now.

It's continued unholiness in life, counts the blood of the Lamb of God as an unholy thing, that only covers unrepented sinning. The Son's blood is made even worse than that of bulls and goats, which was at least commanded in the OT of God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Are you JW too? They say Jehovah is the creator of the great christ angel. They gush all over themselves about how many times the name Jehovah appears in the Bible, and get into temper tantrums about the LORD being written instead.

Nope. Homey don't play that.

And yet, once Jesus is named in the NT, the name Jehovah doesn't even appear anymore in the Bible.

They're so pathetic about it, that they're reduced to finding their great jehovah-name sneaking in way back in Revelation Rev 19. They repeat it the same way as you, Hallelu-JAH, as if that's supposed to impressive Bible readers, that Jehovah is still the only name of the Lord God.

Christians can say "Hallelu-JAH."
See. There. I said it. And I'm not J-Dub.

The name of the LORD in the flesh on earth was Jesus, and the name of the risen God of Israel is still Jesus. Jehovah was His great name made known to the children of Israel, before His name was changed to Jesus on earth, and Emmanuel, God with us.
His name was made known to Abraham before that of Jehovah, as God Almighty.

So, is your christ also created as their's, or are you just bragging after the flesh and showing off your great 'Jewishness'?

Joshua. Jesus. Yahweh. Jehovah. Same God.
Except "Allah."

 

[brightfame52]

Now the Israel spoken of in Acts 5:31 to whom their Saviour gives them repentance, its not national physical Israel, but a Spiritual Israel Chosen in Christ, and it includes some Gentiles Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Israel the Spiritual Seed of Abraham and of Christ has Gentiles in it!

Also the word granted in Acts 11:18 and the word give in Acts 5:31 are the same greek word didōmi.

 

[Ghada]

Christians can say "Hallelu-JAH."
See. There. I said it. And I'm not J-Dub.

No doubt.

Joshua. Jesus. Yahweh. Jehovah. Same God.

True. The God of Israel has made Himself known by several names on earth, but the only name He now has after coming in the flesh and resurrecting from the dead, is Jesus, Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus.

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Jesus is of course the English. There's also Hebrew Jeshua, Spanish Jesús, etc... But He's not anymore known by His once great name Jehovah, which name is no more spoken of in the Bible after He is named Jesus on earth, and on the right hand of the Father.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Now the Israel spoken of in Acts 5:31 to whom their Saviour gives them repentance, its not national physical Israel, but a Spiritual Israel Chosen in Christ, and it includes some Gentiles Acts 11:18

Israel is BOTH natural Olive tree Israel and spiritual Olive tree Israel.
Once the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob sent the Holy Spirit and indwelt 3000 Jews at Pentecost and put His Law in their inward parts Israel became SPIRITUAL Israel to complement their natural, physical existence.
And Cornelius was a God-Fearer, and he as well as hundreds of other God-Fearers were allied with Israel and did everything to be part of their religion and citizenship except circumcision.
THESE are the Gentiles spoken of in the New Covenant writings/letters as they were in attendance in the synagogues whenever a Jewish Christian would come in and testify of Jesus Messiah. Hard-core, uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Gentiles did not come in until AFTER the destruction of the Jewish Temple and everything that happened in Jerusalem and Israel while Jesus walked their streets was completely Jewish and the Jews understood this.
James, one of the apostles to the Jews makes mention of the Jewish Church gathering in their synagogues:

My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; James 2:1–2.

The word translated "assembly" is the Greek word "synagogue" and if you knew the date of his letter to the "twelve tribes scattered" (1:1) then you'll know Christianity was populated by Jews and STILL gathering in their synagogues testifying about Jesus in A.D. 49, one year before the Jewish Council met at Jerusalem and that was to impart to some of the uncircumcised Gentiles the Mosaic Law Lite 2.0.

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Being a Jewish Covenant (Jer. 31:31-34) the Jews still had to work out where Gentile proselytes placed in everything happening in Israel with regard to their Messiah's effect on the Covenants and to understand the effect of the Holy Spirit of Promise had upon their Judaic religion. Overall, everything that was happening in Israel among Jewry was Jewish through and through until the Romans came and destroyed their Temple thus ending the "ism" of Judaism.
Then, Gentiles came in and stole everything that was Israel's through Covenant and through Prophecy. And here we are. Days away from the destruction of the Gentile nations thus ending the Times of the Gentiles and God's return back to His Bride and Church Israel.

Israel the Spiritual Seed of Abraham and of Christ has Gentiles in it!

Everything that happened in Israel until the destruction of their Temple was Jewish through and through with a few Gentile proselytes thrown in.
Hard-core, uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Gentiles did not start being saved in larger numbers until AFTER the destruction of the Second Temple, a Temple Jesus the Jewish Messiah taught in and performed miracles and other prophetic, covenant things.

Also the word granted in Acts 11:18 and the word give in Acts 5:31 are the same Greek word didōmi.

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. Acts 5:30–32.

And the several days later in chapter 6 what happen?

5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:
6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them. 7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. Acts 6:4–7.

Just as promised by Peter a GREAT COMPANY of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Out of 70 in the Sanhedrin I fix the number of "Great Company" around 35 or more - the majority out of 70.

 

[jeremiah1five]

No doubt.

True. The God of Israel has made Himself known by several names on earth, but the only name He now has after coming in the flesh and resurrecting from the dead, is Jesus, Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus.

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Jesus is of course the English. There's also Hebrew Jeshua, Spanish Jesús, etc... But He's not anymore known by His once great name Jehovah, which name is no more spoken of in the Bible after He is named Jesus on earth, and on the right hand of the Father.

He calls me "Friend" and I call Him LORD.
Sometimes "Jesus."

 

[Ghada]

He calls me "Friend" and I call Him LORD.

I have no doubt the devil knows his child so well that he calls him friend.

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever is doing unrighteousness is not of God.

"I am going to do unrighteous and sin later, tomorrow, and most likely the next day, but God sees me as holy, sinless, righteous."

I am quite sure the devil talks to many of his children, and calls them holy, sinless, and righteous. Especially the ones that preach his gospel so proudly.

Sometimes "Jesus."

Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Only those confessing Him Lord Jesus from a pure heart, are repented unto salvation.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

A Jews-only messiah preaching a inward purity only hypocrisy. Yeah, I'm getting pretty tired of this too. I think getting bored with it is the only thing we've agreed on.

But, you do keep coming up with new stuff, so I just have to hang in there, until you've got nothing new left to spring on me.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I have no doubt the devil knows his child so well that he calls him friend.

"Devil." In most cases it is an adjective meaning "traducer."
A "traducer" is a "false accuser" or "one who impugns the character of another" which is what Judas did when he went to the priests and slandered His Master to order to betray Him.
It is bad grammar in trying to make the word a noun or pronoun when it's an adjective.
Besides, the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment and this took place between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, BEFORE God created man.

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever is doing unrighteousness is not of God.

"I am going to do unrighteous and sin later, tomorrow, and most likely the next day, but God sees me as holy, sinless, righteous."

We who are born-again do not have that attitude despite the fact is that while in this body of this death we still sin. If we didn't sin, we would not die, but being the world's cemeteries are constantly being filled with dead Christian bodies every day it's a biblical as well as mortal fact while living this side of glory.

I am quite sure the devil talks to many of his children, and calls them holy, sinless, and righteous. Especially the ones that preach his gospel so proudly.

He can't. He's locked up. But those that qualify as "traducers" and "false accusers" - even Christians - do that still. Christian liars. They exist. To deny this is to deny Christ who taught it.

Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

See what I mean. Truth.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Only those confessing Him Lord Jesus from a pure heart, are repented unto salvation.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:9-10 is not a formula for salvation. The context of Saul's words is he is quoting the OT to Jewish Christians ALREADY SAVED to encourage them in their Christ-ianity.

A Jews-only messiah preaching a inward purity only hypocrisy. Yeah, I'm getting pretty tired of this too. I think getting bored with it is the only thing we've agreed on.

Let's see what Jesus said:

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mt 15:23–24.

A Jewish Covenant with a Jewish Messiah prophesied to a Jewish nation. And when He comes He verifies and confirms it:

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt 1:21.

For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jer. 31:34.

God does this without any requirement of faith. He does is through Covenant and Covenant of Promises:

19 God is not a man, that he should lie;
Neither the son of man, that he should repent:
Hath he said, and shall he not do it?
Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed;
And I cannot reverse it.
21 He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob,
Neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel:
The LORD his God is with him,
And the shout of a king is among them.
22 God brought them out of Egypt;
He hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
23 Surely there is no enchantment against Jacob,
Neither is there any divination against Israel:
Num. 23:19–23.

It is the LORD'S doing and it is marvelous in our sight.

But, you do keep coming up with new stuff, so I just have to hang in there, until you've got nothing new left to spring on me.

That's going to take a long time. Sit back, crack open a beer, or beer open some crack. I got half a century of biblical doctrine in my soul and in my mouth and I can't keep my mouth shut.

9 Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.
10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant. Jer. 1:8–10.

I particularly like the "to plant" part.

 

[brightfame52]

So one of the characteristics of God given Repentance is that it leads to an acknowledgement of the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus opposed to false doctrines sown by the devil and his servants 2 Tim 2:25-26

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Believing false doctrine and lies is a snare of the devil, only God can deliver us from ! 2

 

[brightfame52]

Israel is BOTH natural Olive tree Israel and spiritual Olive tree Israel.
Once the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob sent the Holy Spirit and indwelt 3000 Jews at Pentecost and put His Law in their inward parts Israel became SPIRITUAL Israel to complement their natural, physical existence.
And Cornelius was a God-Fearer, and he as well as hundreds of other God-Fearers were allied with Israel and did everything to be part of their religion and citizenship except circumcision.
THESE are the Gentiles spoken of in the New Covenant writings/letters as they were in attendance in the synagogues whenever a Jewish Christian would come in and testify of Jesus Messiah. Hard-core, uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Gentiles did not come in until AFTER the destruction of the Jewish Temple and everything that happened in Jerusalem and Israel while Jesus walked their streets was completely Jewish and the Jews understood this.
James, one of the apostles to the Jews makes mention of the Jewish Church gathering in their synagogues:

My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; James 2:1–2.

The word translated "assembly" is the Greek word "synagogue" and if you knew the date of his letter to the "twelve tribes scattered" (1:1) then you'll know Christianity was populated by Jews and STILL gathering in their synagogues testifying about Jesus in A.D. 49, one year before the Jewish Council met at Jerusalem and that was to impart to some of the uncircumcised Gentiles the Mosaic Law Lite 2.0.

Being a Jewish Covenant (Jer. 31:31-34) the Jews still had to work out where Gentile proselytes placed in everything happening in Israel with regard to their Messiah's effect on the Covenants and to understand the effect of the Holy Spirit of Promise had upon their Judaic religion. Overall, everything that was happening in Israel among Jewry was Jewish through and through until the Romans came and destroyed their Temple thus ending the "ism" of Judaism.
Then, Gentiles came in and stole everything that was Israel's through Covenant and through Prophecy. And here we are. Days away from the destruction of the Gentile nations thus ending the Times of the Gentiles and God's return back to His Bride and Church Israel.

Everything that happened in Israel until the destruction of their Temple was Jewish through and through with a few Gentile proselytes thrown in.
Hard-core, uncircumcised, non-covenant, idol-worshiping Gentiles did not start being saved in larger numbers until AFTER the destruction of the Second Temple, a Temple Jesus the Jewish Messiah taught in and performed miracles and other prophetic, covenant things.

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. Acts 5:30–32.

And the several days later in chapter 6 what happen?

5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:
6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them. 7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. Acts 6:4–7.

Just as promised by Peter a GREAT COMPANY of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Out of 70 in the Sanhedrin I fix the number of "Great Company" around 35 or more - the majority out of 70.

More of your apostacy, race salvation.

 

[Mercy_Shown]

That's correct. God wills all come to repentance and then all don't come to repentance. The common denominator is that some choose to repent and others don't.

2 Peter 3
9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.

I would add that the Holy Spirit has to convict us of our sin and the Father has to draw us toward Christ but the final choice to submit or resist God leaves with us. There is no love without choice. Try raising your kids without giving them a choice.

 

[Ghada]

We who are born-again do not have that attitude despite the fact is that while in this body of this death we still sin.

God says otherwise.

Unless, you can show anywhere in the Bible that God acknowledges someone sinning, is at the same time hating it, then you can continue to delude yourself about it.

Gid says you do it because you still enjoy it more than loving Him.

It's what not repenting is for. God calls it hardening the heart toward Him:

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

I'm your Steven.

 

[Ghada]

"Devil." In most cases it is an adjective meaning "traducer."
A "traducer" is a "false accuser" or "one who impugns the character of another" which is what Judas did when he went to the priests and slandered His Master to order to betray Him.
It is bad grammar in trying to make the word a noun or pronoun when it's an adjective.

Ok then. Another new one to add to the list. The devil is not a real angel once name Lucifer. He's just an adjunct hyperbole. Just as sinning with him is only a shady pigmentation, not a deed God judges the doer by.

Duly noted and recorded.

Besides, the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment and this took place between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, BEFORE God created man.

True. But, it's not the angels that sinned, but only the leading one seducing man in the garden and on earth today.

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan.

He can't. He's locked up.

Spiritual millennialism is another topic.

In any case, sinning in Christ's thousand year reign on earth, only means that it will be counted worse, than when the devil was roaming to tempt people on earth as today.

All you do is give yourself even less excuse for sinning. Afterall, according to your own doctrine, you can't say the devil makes you do it today, tomorrow, and the next...

But those that qualify as "traducers" and "false accusers" - even Christians - do that still. Christian liars. They exist. To deny this is to deny Christ who taught it.

True. There are unrepented Christian liars that justify their continued sinning. Sometimes they go so far as to accuse the righteous, of being lying boasters.

Whether unrighteous Jews or Christians: it's still the same.

Anything to excuse their continued sinning.

Romans 10:9-10 is not a formula for salvation.

Another new one. Thanks.

It's right up there with doing righteousness to be righteous with God, is not a formula for being righteous with God.

The context of Saul's words is he is quoting the OT to Jewish Christians ALREADY SAVED to encourage them in their Christ-ianity.

Another case of lost reasoning ability. You've changed history of Paul preaching to Athenians, and now you change when Christ was born.

There is no OT quote of confessing the Lord Jesus with the mouth. That's not possible until after Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

Your Jews-only messianism forbids rational thought pertaining to the Bible. Like them, you would be more rational, if you just throw the NT out altogether.

God does this without any requirement of faith. He does is through Covenant and Covenant of Promises:

Beautiful! Awesome! Spoken like a messianic Jew based entirely upon physical birth!

The problem is, unlike true messianic Jews rejecting Jesus, you don't even include works of the law. You base your special chosenness entirely upon fleshly birth.

You are a liberal Jew! There are conservative Jews that believe the promise of the flesh at least includes keeping the law, and not just by birth.

Now I see the liberal Jews trust in birth alone? Am I right?

The Christian version of it, is being justified by faith alone, and not by doing the word.

Thank you very much for clarifying these things for me. It's the comparison between liberal Jews with birth alone, and liberal Christians with faith alone.

They both are dead without profit toward God and His Christ.

 

[Ghada]

That's going to take a long time.

Well, it can be sooner than you think. First Jesus comes again to the earth to inherit all nations and rule as King and Lord over His kingdom. Then after the warfare that false Christian Jews and Gentiles alike with fight with Him, then Abraham and his continuing natural seed on earth, will indeed receive the promised land that he walked on.

However, that will only begin with newly born again Jews, that did not die by plague, nor war, nor by of nations between sheep and goats.

And any such Jew transgressing the King's law at that time, will still die by two or three witnesses, even as all subjects of the King on earth.

The great error of both Jews and Christians, is that God is ever a respecter of persons in His judgement, whether by flesh or by faith.

I got half a century of biblical doctrine in my soul and in my mouth and I can't keep my mouth shut.

I know. And Satan has thousands of years doing so. But the time will come when all such mouths will be shut.

Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not.

(You're old hat stuff I no longer respond to. As I said, the time will come when you offer nothing new, but just repeat yourself. That's when I'll be moving on. But, I say again, you have been a fount of new error to contend with.)