Runningman
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Simply put, human nature and the divine nature are contradictory. If at any point Jesus has a nature that God does not have then he is not God. The greatest truths are simple in final analysis. Was Jesus ever tempted (to sin?) If the answer is yes, according to scripture, the temptation to sin is a spiritual condition, not a matter of the flesh, or else temptation would be irrelevant to sin which in turn leads to spiritual death.Ironic. Telling me that I have no claims to logic is like telling a Greek Scholar, "You have no claims to Biblical Greek," when you are clueless about Biblical Greek. Anyways, the Hypostatic Union is a Divine Mystery or the Mystery of the Faith to the Church “the mystery of God, namely, Christ,” (Colossians 2:2, 9). This mystery is not an intellectual puzzle or a contradiction. Nor is it an outgrowth of speculation. But it’s a revelation that was made known unto the Church. There is no need to give a Scriptural list that: a). Equality with the Father demonstrates the Divine Nature. b). Divine titles/names and divine attributes ascribed to Christ. c). Certain things Christ said is according to the Divine Nature. d). And of course, the resurrection. The Lexicon definition for Spirit has a wide range of semantic meaning, which also can mean "the spiritual Divine Nature of Christ" according to these particular verses (1 Timothy 3:16, 1 Peter 3:18, Romans 1:3-4). You already know the Bible has the phrase "in the flesh" (human nature reference to the incarnation) and there is also antithesis expression "in the Spirit" (Divine Nature reference to the resurrection) in relation to Christ. I've already demonstrated that Jesus Christ is God Scripturally (1 John 5:20, Romans 9:5, Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, etc.) and you demonstrated a denial in this thread.
Besides, the logical conjunction isn't just limited to the phrase "both God and Man" when referring to Jesus Christ in Scriptures. There is also a structural pattern found in Scriptures of Jesus Christ's Divine attributes as God and Human attributes as Man. For example, this is evident from the fact that Jesus Christ has divine intelligence being omniscient and his human intelligence that increased. You can also say, "Jesus Christ is"... "both omniscient and ignorant," "both omnipresent and localized," and "both omnipotent and powerless". The list goes on and on. From a logical standpoint, a conjunction is most effective and better approach Scripturally. Because, again, the meaning of a certain phraseology is 'drawn out' from the whole of Scriptures exegetically. If we know "this" and we know "that" about Jesus Christ, then Scriptures as a whole don't contradict but harmonizes. I will demonstrate an example, while the Readers can see your denial of this example:
Jesus Christ is both Omniscient and Ignorant
Jesus Christ is Omniscient
Jesus Christ knows all things (1 John 3:20 i.e. John 16:30, John 21:17).Jesus Christ knows the Father (Matthew 11:27, John 7:29, 8:55, 10:15, 17:25).Jesus Christ knows all people (Psalm 139:1-4 i.e. John 2:24-25, Matthew 9:4, Mark 2:8, Luke 5:22, John 6:64).Jesus Christ knows where to catch fish, even a coin (Luke 5:4-6, Matthew 17:27).
Jesus Christ is Ignorant
Jesus Christ grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52).Jesus Christ didn't know there was figs in the tree (Mark 11:12-13).Jesus Christ didn't know where they laid Lazarus (John 11:33-35).Jesus Christ didn't know who touched him (Luke 8:45-46).
Messiah Complex. You are embarking on a selfless service to humanity by being obtuse and argumentative. And that somehow will rid the world of Trinitarians. Not only that... you are clueless when it comes to the most basics of logic. Or you would have demonstrated a negated conjunction for all readers in this thread. Your whole Unitarian argument was based on "Jesus Christ is a man negates him being God." I proved that faulty line of reasoning by pointing out the fallacy of Denying a Conjunct. Whoop! There just went your whole argument! That's a real refutation I've presented. Your Plan A has failed, it's time for you to come up with Plan B. And also, you are pointing out Scriptures that Jesus Christ is a man affirms the Hypostatic Union position. As I have said before,
Logically, they cannot argue from the Hypostatic Union doctrinal position that "Jesus Christ is Man." Because they would be affirming and adding support to what we already believe about Jesus Christ. The common theme is demonstrated by pointing out Bible verses that Jesus Christ has claimed to be "a man." Or pointing out attributes of his "humanity" like being hungry, weeping, and lacking knowledge, etc. Then make bare assertions that he never claims to be "God." From their mindset its assumed that Jesus Christ being a man negates over him being God. Unfortunately, there would be no argument between both Hypostatic Unionists and Man-Only advocates in that particular regard. Even at the most basic level fundamentally. Since ultimately there would be a passable or just good enough acceptable agreement about Jesus Christ's humanity.
I have no need to address your misinterpretation of Scriptures or give a rebuttal. I've refuted your presupposition (that underlying philosophy) or preconceived assumption "that Jesus Christ is man negates him being God," which has mold, shape, and fashion your beliefs of who is Jesus Christ. So, everytime you have a discussion with a Hypostatic Unionist, your under that assumption and it has influenced the way you interpret Scriptures and not from the author's original intent. That assumption has also caused you to discuss in a fallacious manner too. Your Unitarian's leaders didn't teach you that you would have to negate the whole conjunction G ^ M to ~(G ^ M). The negated conjunction as a whole "It is not the case that Jesus Christ is both God and Man" is something that most Man-Only advocates doesn't want to negate that the De Morgan Laws demands. If that was the case, then they would be negating that "Jesus Christ is man" too, otherwise, the logical conjunction that "Jesus Christ is both God and Man" stand as true.
Just was tempted to sin, in every way, as a regular human is. God cannot be tempted to sin. Simply put, your so-called logic is nonsense. Go back to the drawing board.
Hebrews 4
15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.
James 1
13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. 14But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. 15Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.