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Justification by Faith Alone

Not what Scripture states in Ro 3:28, Gal 2:16, 3:11, where faith is the cause of their justification.

It's rebirth --> faith --> salvation (called) --> justification.
Yes it is scripture. How were they Justified by this scripture ? Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
 
Justification is not complicated. It is a legal term, a term used to label one's ability to stand before a judge and plead his or her case.
That sounds fine. I would add the need to be found righteous to the definition.
I agree that the other definitions added "fluff" (commentary).
 
That sounds fine. I would add the need to be found righteous to the definition.
As long as that righteousness in which we are found is that of Christ's and not our own. We have no righteousness of our own. That is why we cannot stand before God on our own. The crediting of righteousness by faith is predicated upon the justification by Christ which precedes and gifting of faith and the expression thereof.
I agree that the other definitions added "fluff" (commentary).
Yep. And in doing so it lost track of the point (the defining of justification).



Now, that being said, I might entertain other definitions but I'm not seeing how they can get away from the legal aspects of the term...... and the NT writers' departure from the Law as the means of approaching the jurisprudence of God. The jurisprudence of God is redemptive and rehabilitative, not vindictive and vengeful. That is one of the places where the Jewish theology of the NT era strayed from what we might justly (pun intended ;)) call "original intent." This is one of the reasons Paul has to comment that vengeance is God's job, not ours. Our job is love. Having our debt paid in full, our job is to owe no one anything any longer..... except love. That is the law of God among the redeemed. I say I'm open to considering alternatives (assuming they are actual definitions) because ever since @Carbon broached the matter of sanctification, I've found that topic is unsettled, even among the Reform-minded. The unsettledness is unsettling 🤨. How can we speak of something we cannot define (or refuse to define with unity).

As far as justification goes, those who have not been selected for salvation, those who have always stood in a state of condemnation for not believing in God's son, those who have been faithlessly unfaithful get the other end of that law: just recompense for their deeds. The exact same Law that enshrined love and mercy also enshrined restitution and recompense. Absent mercy the alternative is eternal imprisonment until the dead die dead and that prison is a fiery pit so lethal even death is destroyed 😬. They will try and plead their case, but they have no case. They stand charred and covered in soot without a foundation.


1 Corinthians 3:11-15
For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

No foundation upon which to stand, let alone build. Our foundation provided the case for us (Romans 8).

John 3:18-20
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the verdict, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the light and does not come to the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.


I've been giving Calvin's "Institutes...." another read, and he makes a point that those mired in sin... sin. Sinners sin and sin more and more, and more, and thereby accumulate a growing propensity to do everything possible to sin and deny God. They have no justification (my words, not Calvin's). Trying to be justified by the Law only labels and highlights their sin, which is the exact opposite to whatever "justification" (excuse) they might offer in their defense to avoid destruction. Can you imagine the realization they do not flee to God in love for love but stand (trembling) defensively hoping to avoid wrath? Huge dichotomy! Assuming that dawning occurs, it must be like the blast of a nuclear explosion. One moment you're there and the next your shadow is etched where you once stood 😦.

No wonder the Jews wanted to stone Paul everywhere he went.


Romans 8:28-39
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Just as it is written, "For Your sake we are being put to death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Judge justified our presence in His throne room.
Instead of bringing charges, the Prosecutor intercedes on our behalf.
The Plaintiff took our place as the accused.
The Defense Attorney died for us.
The lot of them paid our debt in full and then poured gifts out in abundance.

NOTHING can take that away from those already dead in Christ.
 
Yes it is scripture. How were they Justified by this scripture ? Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
How are they justified by this Scripture? Ro 3:28

Everything--regeneration, faith, salvation, justification, sanctification--was bought by the blood.

But they occur differently:
regeneration - by the sovereign will of the Holy Spirit, based on nothing but his sovereign choice (Jn 3:3-5), as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8),
faith - by gift (Php 1:29, 2 Pe 1:1, Ac 13:48, 18:27, Ro 12:3),
salvation - by faith (Eph 2:8-9),
justification - by faith (Ro 3:28),
sanctification/righteosness - by obedience in the Holy Spirit (Ro 6:16, 19).
 
How are they justified by this Scripture? Ro 3:28

Everything--regeneration, faith, salvation, justification, sanctification--was bought by the blood.

But they occur differently:
regeneration - by the sovereign will of the Holy Spirit, based on nothing but his sovereign choice (Jn 3:3-5), as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8),
faith - by gift (Php 1:29, 2 Pe 1:1, Ac 13:48, 18:27, Ro 12:3),
salvation - by faith (Eph 2:8-9),
justification - by faith (Ro 3:28),
sanctification/righteosness - by obedience in the Holy Spirit (Ro 6:16, 19).
I already said, Rom 3:28 says by Faith. However b4 one is Justified by Faith, they were Justified by Christs Blood. They were Justified by His Blood b4 God, that was shed for them ,b4 they were born. When Jesus rose from the dead, He rose because they had been Justified from their sins He bare for them Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

Now do you disagree with or doubt the testimony of Christs resurrection because of their Justification b4 God ?
 
I already said, Rom 3:28 says by Faith. However b4 one is Justified by Faith, they were Justified by Christs Blood.
Justification is a declaration of not guilty, a sentence of acquittal, a statement of righteousness.

We are not twice justified. . .Christ's blood justifies no one without faith, it justifies no one who does not believe in him.

Justification (declared not guilty) follows salvation (remission of sin), both of which are by faith.
They were Justified by His Blood b4 God, that was shed for them ,b4 they were born. When Jesus rose from the dead, He rose because they had been Justified from their sins He bare for them Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

Now do you disagree with or doubt the testimony of Christs resurrection because of their Justification b4 God ?
 
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We are not twice justified. . .Christ's blood justifies no one without faith, no one who does not believe in him.

Justification follows salvation, both by faith.
Are you saying that when Jesus rose from the dead after dying for our offences, we were not Justified Rom 4:25 b4 God

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. Yes or No
 
Are you saying that when Jesus rose from the dead after dying for our offences, we were not Justified Rom 4:25 b4 God

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. Yes or No
We are not justified (declared righteous) until we are saved (sin remitted).

It's regeneration --> faith --> salvation --> justification --> sanctification.

Yes, Jesus was raised for our justification (declaration of not guilty) which occurs after salvation (remission of sin).
 
We are not justified (declared righteous) until we are saved (sin remitted).

It's regeneration --> faith --> salvation --> justification --> sanctification.

Yes, Jesus was raised for our justification (declaration of not guilty) which occurs after salvation (remission of sin).
Was He raised because of the Justification of those He died for ? Meaning when He rose from the dead, they were Justified, not guilty b4 God, b4 they were born sinners ? Yes or No
 
To say that we are not justified before God until we believe, is to say Jesus Christ hath not justified us, which is contrary to the Scriptures, which saith that we are “accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.” Eph.1:6-7 We are justified by his blood. Rom.5:9 We are Justified because He bare our sins Isa 53:11
Where is your attribution? —Or doth thou speaketh that way for some odd reason? Whom are you quoting?
 
Was He raised because of the Justification of those He died for ? Meaning when He rose from the dead, they were Justified, not guilty b4 God, b4 they were born sinners ? Yes or No

Time.

Justification is not applied except by Grace through faith.

It was secured through Christ's death and ressurection but it doesn't apply to anyone until they respond in faith.

Thats what happens when we are saved, justification is applied. It's not applied prior to our birth, only secured.
 
Time.

Justification is not applied except by Grace through faith.

It was secured through Christ's death and ressurection but it doesn't apply to anyone until they respond in faith.

Thats what happens when we are saved, justification is applied. It's not applied prior to our birth, only secured.
So then you would answer No to my question, correct ? Here it is
Was He raised because of the Justification of those He died for ? Meaning when He rose from the dead, they were Justified, not guilty b4 God, b4 they were born sinners ? Yes or No
 
So then you would answer No to my question, correct ? Here it is

Your confusing the objective (Christ’s atonement) and subjective (application by faith) aspects of justification in my opinion.

We should always distinguish between justification’s eternal basis (Christ’s work) and its temporal application through faith (Rom. 3:28: “justified by faith apart from works”)
 
Yes it is scripture. How were they Justified by this scripture ? Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
It's dangerous to become too adamant about your use of prepositions even in English, nevermind in a 2000-year old language you were not raised in. Greek Koiné prepositions are like those of most languages —rather given to context and linguistic quirks. The diagrams you may have studied do not do it justice.

When Ephesians 2:8 says we are saved THROUGH faith, it bears on your use of being justified "by" faith.

Funny thing is, though, that's not even what the verse you use here says! It says we are justified by his blood, and saved from wrath through him.

As someone on this forum has gone to great lengths to repeat ad nauseum, nowhere in the Bible does it even say we are "saved by faith". So it would be a bit precarious to extrapolate what it doesn't say, to define "justified by faith". Don't jump to conclusions with prepositions. The particular use of the verse concerning both "justified" and "by" are too easily and quickly drawn to an adamant conclusion by some.
 
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Your confusing the objective (Christ’s atonement) and subjective (application by faith) aspects of justification in my opinion.

We should always distinguish between justification’s eternal basis (Christ’s work) and its temporal application through faith (Rom. 3:28: “justified by faith apart from works”)
Im not judging your salvation friend, however you seem to deny that Christs Death alone Justified them He died for, even b4 they were born and later believe.
 
@makesends

It says we are justified by his blood, and saved from wrath through him.

Yes thats what it says, and I believe the ones He died for were by it[His death] Justified b4 God. Its equivalent imo to having been reconciled to God by His Death in the very next verse. Rom 5:9-10

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now can one be reconciled to God by His Death and not be Justified by His death/blood ? I dont think so
 
@Hazelelponi

Your confusing the objective (Christ’s atonement) and subjective (application by faith) aspects of justification in my opinion.

Actually Im not confusing the two different aspects of Justification, but acknowledging the importance of the objective Justification b4 God by His Death alone, before in time when salvation is applied by the new birth and then given Faith to believe concerning the objective Justification that took place by the death of Christ.
 
Was He raised because of the Justification of those He died for ? Meaning when He rose from the dead, they were Justified, not guilty b4 God, b4 they were born sinners ? Yes or No
All was decreed in God's eternal plan before the foundations of the world, including the justification (declaration of not guilty, sentence of acquittal) of believers.

And they occur in the order in time.
 
All was decreed in God's eternal plan before the foundations of the world, including the justification (declaration of not guilty, sentence of acquittal) of believers.

And they occur in the order in time.
Unfortunately you cant see that the resurrection of Christ declares those He died for Justified b4 God. Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Thats why later in time at the Spirits application the Justified person is given Faith to see and embrace the Justification Christ has accomplished. So Justification by Faith in time is another way of saying Justified by Christ the object of Faith. If you cant see that, its not good imo.
 
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