Justification by Faith Alone

[Hazelelponi]

By Christ ! Justification is soley by Christ, Faith points to what Christ has done, you are making faith the saviour !

Faith doesn't merely point to Christ's work, faith is the vehicle through which justification is applied to the elect in time. It is BY Grace (Christ's work) through faith (a gift from God)

While it's all Christ's work, faith is a vehicle not a pointer.

 

[brightfame52]

Faith doesn't merely point to Christ's work, faith is the vehicle through which justification is applied to the elect in time. It is BY Grace (Christ's work) through faith (a gift from God)

While it's all Christ's work, faith is a vehicle not a pointer.

To be Justified by Faith is another way of saying to be Justified by Christ. Christ/God does the Justifying alone. You are adding works

 

[Hazelelponi]

To be Justified by Faith is another way of saying to be Justified by Christ. Christ/God does the Justifying alone. You are adding works

No, because faith is not something we do, it's something we are given. The gift of faith is part of Christ's work, poured out on the elect, which is the vehicle or means of applying justification in time to the elect.

It's only a work when you misunderstand what faith is. Faith properly understood in the context of justification is not a work of man's will, but of God's working in the person.

 

[brightfame52]

@Hazelelponi

No, because faith is not something we do, it's something we are given.

But believing is which is one with Faith Heb 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

And Faith the noun is something in us, which is still being saved because of some good in us. Either way it denies Grace, and blood Justification b4 God alone.

 

[Hazelelponi]

@Hazelelponi



But believing is which is one with Faith Heb 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

And Faith the noun is something in us, which is still being saved because of some good in us. Either way it denies Grace, and blood Justification b4 God alone.

I'm sorry but you're just not making any sense.

Do the non-elect reprobate have faith?

 

[brightfame52]

I'm sorry but you're just not making any sense.

Do the non-elect reprobate have faith?

Why ask me questions if Im not making sense ?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Why ask me questions if Im not making sense ?

To clarify the matter.

 

[brightfame52]

To clarify the matter.

Please reread posts 295-298 for clarification of my points. I have found, whenever i read something over again, I discover that I missed some detail or point in my first reading, so rereading things you find interest in, can be very enlightening/clarifying.

 

[Hazelelponi]

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[brightfame52]

If one is Elect !

If one is of the Elect, they are Justified as Early as their Election was. Now Paul writes in Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Election and Justification go hand in hand. Paul writes that it is God that Justifieth. Who ? Why the Elect, which is quite plain from the scripture, for this cannot be gainsaid, and from it we read that nothing can be laid to the Charge of God's Elect, but He has Justified them. Now how long has God viewed them as Chosen or Elect in Christ ? Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

How long ? Before the foundation of the world, then scripture teaches the Elect before God, have been Justified before the foundation of the world.

Also it should be noted that scripture teaches that God viewed His Elect in Christ before the world began, and scripture plainly teaches that there is no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus Rom 8:1 and 2 Tim 1:9

 

[Eleanor]

By Christ ! Justification is soley by Christ, Faith points to what Christ has done, you are making faith the saviour !

See Eph 2:8-9.

 

[brightfame52]

See Eph 2:8-9.

Same thing, Faith is Christ, Salvation is by Grace through the faith {Christ] its the Gift of God. If you look at faith in the greek it has the definite article, : the faith" its Christ, nothing in man. If you insist that its something in man, you overthrow the whole reason for Paul saying, its not of ourselves" not of works and defiantly say, it is of myself, my act of faith or believing played a part. So there you have it.

 

[Eleanor]

Same thing, Faith is Christ,

Sorry. . .Christ is a person, faith is not.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry. . .Christ is a person, faith is not.

a Noun is a Person. Christ is called Faith Gal 3:23

23 But before faith[Christ] came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Even here Faith in the original has the definite article, the Faith. Its talking about Christ the object of Faith. He was the object of Faith unto all the OT Believers, beginning with the seed of the women,t hats Christ. Why are you so adversaral about Christ being the Justifier, His Work alone ? Thats very strange coming from someone who supposedly has Faith in Christ, and you dont believe in what He did.

 

[Eleanor]

a Noun is a Person. Christ is called Faith Gal 3:23

23 But before faith[Christ] came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Even here Faith in the original has the definite article, the Faith. Its talking about Christ the object of Faith. He was the object of Faith unto all the OT Believers, beginning with the seed of the women,t hats Christ. Why are you so adversaral about Christ being the Justifier, His Work alone ? Thats very strange coming from someone who supposedly has Faith in Christ, and

Actually, "faith" there refers to belief in Christ for remission of the sin of law-breaking, prior to which they were held prisoners of the law, locked up until it was revealed that salvation is by faith in Christ, not by law-keeping.

you dont believe in what He did.

Your understanding of what he did is not in agreement with the rest of the NT.

 

[brightfame52]

Actually, "faith" there refers to belief in Christ for remission of the sin of law-breaking, prior to which they were held prisoners of the law, locked up until it was revealed that salvation is by faith in Christ, not by law-keeping.

Your understanding of what he did is not in agreement with the rest of the NT.

Faith their is Christ. You in unbelief

BTW Im not alone with that understanding,

Matt Poole

Matthew Poole's Commentary
After that Christ, the object of saving faith, was in the fulness of time revealed, and the gospel, which is the doctrine of faith, was fully revealed and published, the time of our nonage was over.

John Gill

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
But after that faith is come,.... That is, since Christ the object of faith is come in the flesh, and has fulfilled the law, and redeemed them that were under it from its bondage, curse, and condemnation:


Same thing Gal 3:23 Faith is Christ the object of Faith

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

23. faith—namely, that just mentioned (Ga 3:22), of which Christ is the object.

 

[Eleanor]

Actually, "faith" there refers to belief in Christ, prior to which they were held prisoners of the law, locked up until it was revealed that salvation is by faith in Christ.

Faith their is Christ.

You misunderstand. . .

Nowhere in the NT does faith mean Christ.
Christ is the object of faith, not faith itself.

One has faith/trust in Christ, one has faith/trust in their spouse, one has faith/trust in their mother. . .all toward different ends.

 

[brightfame52]

You misunderstand. . .

Nowhere in the NT does faith mean Christ.
Christ is the object of faith, not faith itself.

One has faith/trust in Christ, one has faith/trust in their spouse, one has faith/trust in their mother. . .all toward different ends.

Faith and the object of Faith are One, Its the object of Faith that saves. Thats the whole point of God given Faith to believe in the one who saved you, Justified you. Duh

 

[Eleanor]

Faith and the object of Faith are One,

Faith/trust can have many objects. . .faith/trust in my dad, faith/trust in the safety of my car, faith/trust in proven science. . .
saving faith has one object, the person and work of Jesus Christ for the remission of one's sin.

Same thing, Faith is Christ, Salvation is by Grace through the faith {Christ] its the Gift of God. If you look at faith in the greek it has the definite article, : the faith" its Christ, nothing in man. If you insist that its something in man, you overthrow the whole reason for Paul saying, its not of ourselves" not of works and defiantly say, it is of myself, my act of faith or believing played a part. So there you have it.

Its the object of Faith that saves. Thats the whole point of God given Faith to believe in the one who saved you, Justified you. Duh

And the object of faith (Christ) is not the faith itself. . .faith and its object (Christ) are two different things.

Faith is not Christ, just as faith is not my dad, nor my car, nor science.

 

[Eleanor]

See you at the Judgment

Are you sure about that?