• **Notifications**: Notifications can be dismissed by clicking on the "x" on the righthand side of the notice.
  • **New Style**: You can now change style options. Click on the paintbrush at the bottom of this page.
  • **Donations**: If the Lord leads you please consider helping with monthly costs and up keep on our Forum. Click on the Donate link In the top menu bar. Thanks
  • **New Blog section**: There is now a blog section. Check it out near the Private Debates forum or click on the Blog link in the top menu bar.
  • Welcome Visitors! Join us and be blessed while fellowshipping and celebrating our Glorious Salvation In Christ Jesus.

Jesus said, this is the work of God, that you believe……

He probably believed both...
Believing both isn’t logical.

But if you read those as we are built up in the spirit we walk in it. We can only walk in maturity as we mature. We can only mature by the Spirit, etc…etc…
 
Believing both isn’t logical.

But if you read those as we are built up in the spirit we walk in it. We can only walk in maturity as we mature. We can only mature by the Spirit, etc…etc…
I disagree that believing Both, is Illogical; the Logic is allowed because the Hypostatic Union establishes that it's fine to believe two seemingly contrary truths if they are both Viable. We shouldn't summarily dismiss anything based on a Hermeneutic that Two Truths can't be True at the same time; if at first the seem Contrary...

The definition of two Truths which seem opposite, is known as a Contrariety...
 
I disagree that believing Both, is Illogical; the Logic is allowed because the Hypostatic Union establishes that it's fine to believe two truths if they are both Viable.
But the hypostatic union is one truth. And of only one person that ever lived on planet earth. And wouldn’t be good to use as an example. It just wouldn’t apply to examples.
We shouldn't summarily dismiss anything based on a Hermeneutic that Two Truths can't be True at the same time; if at first the seem Contrary...
As in the hypostatic union.

To say sanctification is both monergistic and synergistic is the same as saying regeneration is both monergistic and synergistic.

I hope we agree that it’s not.

God’s work in all salvation is monergistic. Sanctification is part of salvation. Are we to say and decide which parts of God’s work we deserve some glory in?
 
But the hypostatic union is one truth. And of only one person that ever lived on planet earth. And wouldn’t be good to use as an example. It just wouldn’t apply to examples.

As in the hypostatic union.

To say sanctification is both monergistic and synergistic is the same as saying regeneration is both monergistic and synergistic.

I hope we agree that it’s not.

God’s work in all salvation is monergistic. Sanctification is part of salvation. Are we to say and decide which parts of God’s work we deserve some glory in?
I agree on that; but Sanctification is not Regeneration...
 
But sanctification is part of salvation.

Do you disagree?
Yes, but Sanctification is not part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Regeneration is...

If Sanctification is part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I need to change most of my Gospel Tracts...
 
Yes, but Sanctification is not part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Regeneration is...
That’s interesting.
Could you give some examples to where regeneration is used in the gospel and sanctification is not?

I’m not following.

If I may ask one more question for now. What is the gospel?
 
Yes, but Sanctification is not part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Regeneration is...

If Sanctification is part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I need to change most of my Gospel Tracts...
I still don’t see how it’s not.would you explain how regeneration is and how sanctification is not?

Thanks
 
That’s interesting.
Could you give some examples to where regeneration is used in the gospel and sanctification is not?

I’m not following.

If I may ask one more question for now. What is the gospel?
Adoption is a part of Salvation; it's not in the Gospel Presentation, but it's in the WCF. I can't fit everything in a one page Gospel Tract; but a one page Gospel Tract can lead a person to the Salvation of their life and from their Sins...

If we had a minute to present the Gospel to someone before they start running; inevettibly some truth about our Salvation will be left out of the Conversation. It's true that we're Elected by God Alone unto Salvation, but I never include this in a Gospel Tract. If I HAD to include it because it is true of Salvation, and this truth of Salvation MUST be presented and believed by the hearer before the person started running and screaming...

I'd be a Hyper Calvinist...
 
My belief is that the Gospel and its resulting effect is revealed in 1 Corinthians 1:26-31. And right alongside redemption there is also sanctification (1:30). That we are set apart as His is in itself Good news.
So we are in agreement?
 
That’s interesting.
Could you give some examples to where regeneration is used in the gospel and sanctification is not?

I’m not following.

If I may ask one more question for now. What is the gospel?
You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God...

I'm not very interested in trying to prove the New Birth is part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ...
 
Adoption is a part of Salvation; it's not in the Gospel Presentation, but it's in the WCF. I can't fit everything in a one page Gospel Tract; but a one page Gospel Tract can lead a person to the Salvation of their life and from their Sins...

If we had a minute to present the Gospel to someone before they start running; inevettibly some truth about our Salvation will be left out of the Conversation. It's true that we're Elected by God Alone unto Salvation, but I never include this in a Gospel Tract. If I HAD to include it because it is true of Salvation, and this truth of Salvation MUST be presented and believed by the hearer before the person started running and screaming...

I'd be a Hyper Calvinist...
Im still not seeing it.

Perhaps it’s me brother?

It may also be how we define the gospel.

If I may ask your definition of the gospel?
 
Im still not seeing it.

Perhaps it’s me brother?

It may also be how we define the gospel.

If I may ask your definition of the gospel?
Scripture Alone ~ by ReverendRV * September 17

Genesis 1:1 KJV
; In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Through Faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness”. So God created Man in his own image, in the image of God created him; male and female created he them. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the Garden thou may freely eat; but of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eat thereof thou shalt surely die. When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, a tree to be desired to make them wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also to her husband with her; and he ate it. At once they saw what they had done, and they realized they were naked. Then they sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves. ~ For the wages of Sin is Death…

All that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world. ~ Now when Jesus saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him and he began to teach them. He said: "You’ve heard the Commandment that says, 'You must not commit adultery.' but I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. Anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.” ~ For whoever keeps the whole Law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it…

The wages of Sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal Life! ~ For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory; Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. For by Grace you are Saved through Faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by Works so that no one can boast. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. ~ I’ve passed on to you what is most important and what had also been passed on to me. Christ died for our Sins, just as the Scriptures said. He was buried, and he was raised from the dead on the third day, just as the Scriptures said. The Lord will rescue us from every evil deed and will bring us safely to his Heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen…

Revelation 22:20-21 KJV; He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
 
Back
Top