Jesus isn't the Lord of heaven and earth

[Fred]

Read the OP where I proved the trinity is false. Are you paying attention?

Nowhere did you do so.

End of page 1....beginning of page 2.

You failed. You still have nothing but your false teaching.

Thanks for making this easy to refute.

 

[Runningman]

I already did that in my first response, but you still haven't opened your eyes.

You have done no such thing because you can’t. You’re powerless to add to or take awake from the Bible, though you seem to want to.

 

[Runningman]

Nowhere did you do so.

End of page 1.

You failed.

The Father is the Lord of heaven and earth and Jesus is His servant. Jesus is not the Father, therefore Jesus isn’t the Lord of heaven and earth. Clear, plain, simple. People will believe the clarity and simplicity of this OP.

 

[CrowCross]

You have what is called eisegesis which would be a “reading into” the text.

Eisegesis is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases.

OK then....explain this verse that presents Jesus as God without introducing any of your presuppositions, agendas or biases.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.....14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us..

 

[Runningman]

Eisegesis is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases.

Correct.

OK then....explain this verse that presents Jesus as God without introducing any of your presuppositions, agendas or biases.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.....14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us..

Do not derail this thread again or I will be forced to call upon moderators. Have some class please.

Address the OP.

 

[CrowCross]

You have done no such thing because you can’t. You’re powerless to add to or take awake from the Bible, though you seem to want to.

It is you who adds to or takes away from the following verse:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.....14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us..

How do you deny the Word who was God and became flesh.....was only a man and not God without adding to or taking away from Johns inspired writing?

 

[Runningman]

It is you who adds to or takes away from the following verse:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.....14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us..

How do you deny the Word who was God and became flesh.....was only a man and not God without adding to or taking away from Johns inspired writing?

Nothing in the Bible about Jesus being the Lord of heaven and earth.

 

[EarlyActs]

They prove Jesus isn’t the Lord of heaven and earth. Those are the best ones in the New Testament. There are more in the Old Testament.

The best is the resurrection event. Rom 1, Eph 1, Acts 2, Phil 2, Heb 1:

Heb 1:
“Of the Son he says, ‘Your throne O Lord is forever…’

 

[EarlyActs]

Nothing in the Bible about Jesus being the Lord of heaven and earth.

“Above every name and title in heaven and earth in this age and th

 

[CrowCross]

Do not derail this thread again or I will be forced to call upon moderators. Have some class please.

Address the OP.

You brought up the "only true God"...as well as Eisegesis....not me. I simply replied....

Thing is...you don't have the ability to reply.

 

[EarlyActs]

Nothing in the Bible about Jesus being the Lord of heaven and earth.

“Above every name and title in heaven and earth in this age and the next” Eph 1. You might even say he is higher than God the Father, with that one.

 

[CrowCross]

Nothing in the Bible about Jesus being the Lord of heaven and earth.

In Revelation 19:16 Jesus is given the full title “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 17:14 switches it: “Lord of lords and King of kings”). The title indicates someone who has the power to exercise absolute dominion over all His realm. In the case of the Lord Jesus, the realm is all of creation. In John’s vision, Jesus is returning to judge the world and establish His earthly kingdom, as He predicted in Mark 13:26.
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[Runningman]

“Above every name and title in heaven and earth in this age and the next” Eph 1. You might even say he is higher than God the Father, with that one.

That doesn’t mean Jesus is the Lord of heaven and earth.

If someone has a greater name than people then do they automatically become their lord? Obviously not.

Who gave Jesus his name?

 

[Runningman]

In Revelation 19:16 Jesus is given the full title “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 17:14 switches it: “Lord of lords and King of kings”). The title indicates someone who has the power to exercise absolute dominion over all His realm. In the case of the Lord Jesus, the realm is all of creation. In John’s vision, Jesus is returning to judge the world and establish His earthly kingdom, as He predicted in Mark 13:26.
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The sovereign lord is God and God put everything under the Sons feet, however God is not under the Son because he isn’t God or the lord of heaven and earth. There is a hierarchy in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15
27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him.

 

[CrowCross]

That doesn’t mean Jesus is the Lord of heaven and earth.

If Jesus isn't Lord of heaven and earth....then He could not have taken your sins upon Himself....and you are still condemned.

 

[CrowCross]

God is not under the Son because he isn’t God

Yikes....John 1 disagrees.....or will you continue to Eisegesis those verses away?

 

[Runningman]

If Jesus isn't Lord of heaven and earth....then He could not have taken your sins upon Himself....and you are still condemned.

That’s not what scripture says just to be clear for the readers who may be deceived by what you said.

John 3:16-17 says God sent His Son so that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. God sent His Son to save the world through him. Got it?

 

[Runningman]

Yikes....John 1 disagrees.....or will you continue to Eisegesis those verses away?

1 Corinthians 15:27 explicitly says God is not under the Son. John 1 isnt about that. We aren’t going to go into that right now though.

The bottom line is still there. Jesus isn’t the Lord of heaven and earth and the Bible never says that.

 

[CrowCross]

That’s not what scripture says just to be clear for the readers who may be deceived by what you said.

John 3:16-17 says God sent His Son so that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. God sent His Son to save the world through him. Got it?

You don't know Gods Son. Gods Son is the Word, who was God and became flesh.....you deny John 1

 

[CrowCross]

1 Corinthians 15:27 explicitly says God is not under the Son. John 1 isnt about that. We aren’t going to go into that right now though.

The bottom line is still there. Jesus isn’t the Lord of heaven and earth and the Bible never says that.

The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man.......Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible....But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man.

Jesus is God, the creator.....Lord of Heaven and Earth. Will you Eisegesis those verses away?