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Is the Spirit in everything?

Another commentary.

14 f. All human life is absolutely dependent on God, who creates human life by imparting spirit and breath (Gn. 2:7, Is. 42:5, Ps. 104:29), and ends it by withdrawing (Ps. 104:29, Eccl. 12:7) these. God could, if He wished, demonstrate His supremacy by depriving every living thing of life in a single moment. Whether the further thought is present, that man’s still living on proves God’s benevolent care (Peake), or freedom from unrighteousness (cp. Bu. Di.), is doubtful. With the phraseology here cp. particularly Ps. 104:29: “He gathereth their breath, they expire, and return unto their dust”: Eccl. 12:7, “the spirit returneth unto God.” The spirit of life in man may be described either as man’s spirit from its residing in man during life (so Ps. 104:29), or as God’s spirit from its originating with Him (here, Ps. 104:30). On the text translated above, and on H (quite illegitimately translated in RV. 14a), see phil. n.

Samuel Rolles Driver and George Buchanan Gray, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Book of Job, vol. 1, International Critical Commentary (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1921), 297.
 
preacher4truth said:
Nope. Why would I? :)

I saw where you stated that indwelling and spoke of "us" not being able to make the distinction between indwelling for salvation and the Spirit in everything.

Come on, bro! :unsure:

Posts 56 & 60 show I do know the distinction and never conflated the two.

Lost men are devoid of the Spirit, Jude 1:19, Romans 8:9; not indwelt partly for sustaining purposes. Christ spoke all things into being via His word, and they are still upheld by that word, Hebrews 1.

Only believers have the Spirit of God. That is a basic tenet of sound doctrine and Scripture.

When God breathed into us the breath of life, I do not believe that means we have the Holy Spirit in our lungs.
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Ok...well I think we are splitting gnats and I'm not sure why. Have it your way. Glad to see I was "seen".
 
CrazyCalvinistUncle said:
Ok...well I think we are splitting gnats and I'm not sure why. Have it your way. Glad to see I was "seen".
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Well, to be honest I don't think marking a difference between the indwelling Spirit in the converted, and the theory of the Spirit indwelling everything is hair-splitting.

Universalists may take you up on the pantheist-esque universal indwelling and use it for some fresh ammo to support their error. ;) 😅
 
Carbon said:
Another commentary.

14 f. All human life is absolutely dependent on God, who creates human life by imparting spirit and breath (Gn. 2:7, Is. 42:5, Ps. 104:29), and ends it by withdrawing (Ps. 104:29, Eccl. 12:7) these. God could, if He wished, demonstrate His supremacy by depriving every living thing of life in a single moment. Whether the further thought is present, that man’s still living on proves God’s benevolent care (Peake), or freedom from unrighteousness (cp. Bu. Di.), is doubtful. With the phraseology here cp. particularly Ps. 104:29: “He gathereth their breath, they expire, and return unto their dust”: Eccl. 12:7, “the spirit returneth unto God.” The spirit of life in man may be described either as man’s spirit from its residing in man during life (so Ps. 104:29), or as God’s spirit from its originating with Him (here, Ps. 104:30). On the text translated above, and on H (quite illegitimately translated in RV. 14a), see phil. n.

Samuel Rolles Driver and George Buchanan Gray, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Book of Job, vol. 1, International Critical Commentary (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1921), 297.
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Actually, if you read it the author supports my take on the Job passage and then sees it as either or. He has failed to prove either side, so remarks on both.

Furthermore, there is nothing there that states the Spirit indwells all things. I don't believe for a second the breath we breath is the Spirit of God. The ability to live by such was granted by the Spirit, and can be taken back.
 
preacher4truth said:
Well, to be honest I don't think marking a difference between the indwelling Spirit in the converted, and the theory of the Spirit indwelling everything is hair-splitting.

Universalists may take you up on the pantheist-esque universal indwelling and use it for some fresh ammo to support their error. ;) 😅
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I addressed the universalist / pantheist quibble immediately. And you are allowed to be wrong. :P
 
preacher4truth said:
Actually, if you read it the author supports my take on the Job passage and then sees it as either or. He has failed to prove either side, so remarks on both.

Furthermore, there is nothing there that states the Spirit indwells all things. I don't believe for a second the breath we breath is the Spirit of God. The ability to live by such was granted by the Spirit, and can be taken back.
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ditto
 
fastfredy0 said:
Yeah, I know. I was just being playful. ☺️
Need some levity in here to lighten things up on occasion IMO.
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ok fast freddie I'm getting to know your twisted sense of humor, I have that quality too. :ROFLMAO:
 
civic said:
I’ve seen the pics :ROFLMAO:
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Carbon said:
14 If he should set his heart to it
and gather to himself his spirit and his breath,
15 all flesh would perish together,
and man would return to dust.

Job 34:14-15

I believe the Spirit is in every form of life. In believers and un believers. Or it simply wouldnt exist.

Not to the same measure though. As it is a different measure from the saved, the unsaved and snimals.

Does this passaghes in Job teach ssomthing different?
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I'm of the opinion of Col 1:17 and Ac 17:28.
 
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