Is anyone planning on...............

[Arch Stanton]

I rely on the gospel and what those SENT to preach were taught it means.
My coment on anasthasius is clear indication nothing changed from johns disciples.

In the blue corner we have everyone for the first 1500 years and all Catholics and orthodix ever since.

in the red corner we have Arial, Protestants who can’t even agree with each other!
As I stated even my past denomination couldnt agree with itself, not could the reformers agree on this.
It’s not a good advert fot “ leaning on your own understanding! “

mat 24:14 “ - THE gospel will be preached to the end of time” not with a 1500 year gap till reformers disagree or a 2000 year gap till arial re discovers it!

I'll take the blue corner Mike

 

[Mod46]

It is the one true church founded by Christ on Peter having the keys of the kingdom Matt 16:18-19 Lk 22:29 Isa 22:21-22


God initiated each covenant and the mediator always remains on earth mediating the covenant except for Christ who made Peter His personal representative and vicar! (Matt 16:18-19) with the keys of jurisdictional authority over the kingdom or new covenant church!

Adam
(Marriage covenant)

Noah
(Family covenant)

Abraham
(Tribal covenant)

Moses:
(National covenant)

Jesus Christ:
(Universal covenant)

New and eternal covenant founded by Jesus Christ! Matt 16:18

Universal (Catholic)
World, universal, all men

Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. ( catholic universal) All men!

Lk 2:31 prepared before the face of all (catholic) people. All men!

Jn 1:29 lamb of God who takes way the sins of the world. All men!

Jn 3:16 for God so loved the world

1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. All men!

Lk 2: 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. All men!

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (All people universal) All men!

Not responsive to the post it is replying to. If you continue to this by only repeating your position and not examining what the other poster says, posts are subject to deletion. You must support what you say and/or through exegesis rather than a regurgitating from a particular premise. The truthfulness of your premise must be established and supported by other than itself. The forum is a place for discussion of ideas and views, not a platform for someone to clutter the place with nothing but their own view without supporting it's premise when asked, and without engaging with what the other poster is saying, and without addressing the hard points put forth by others. This has been allowed to go on far too long.

 

[Mod46]

I rely on the gospel and what those SENT to preach were taught it means.
My coment on anasthasius is clear indication nothing changed from johns disciples.

In the blue corner we have everyone for the first 1500 years and all Catholics and orthodix ever since.

in the red corner we have Arial, Protestants who can’t even agree with each other!
As I stated even my past denomination couldnt agree with itself, not could the reformers agree on this.
It’s not a good advert fot “ leaning on your own understanding! “

mat 24:14 “ - THE gospel will be preached to the end of time” not with a 1500 year gap till reformers disagree or a 2000 year gap till arial re discovers it!

Utter failure to support the premise. Use of a logical fallacy "these people did it so it is true," failure to address the questions in the post or the post in any way. Future posts of this nature are subject to deletion.

 

[Mikeuk]

All the partial and removed from context scriptures you post are presented as though it were established that in whatever way it interprets and uses scriptures is the one true way and they are the authority in the matter. But that has never been established. Only their own say so us ut premise. It is no different that a thief going before a court of law and saying to the judge and jury, "I am innocent and thus I declare myself." Presenting no other witnesses or making a case for his innocence other than is statement of innocence. What the Catholic church would have us do amounts to the judge and jury saying, "In that case, court dismissed, charges dropped." I am not that stupid.

But then the apostles and succession were given the power to “ bind and loose”
Jesus made them judge and jury! They are the ones he “ sent”

And at least we can say since the beginning of christianity the Catholic Eucharist and mass have been in essence the same.
As a fact of history those of athanasius time were the generation who finalised the canon and creed!
Without them you have no scripture, and Arianism is given free reign.

The hypocrisy of protestants knows no bounds
They happily quote uninspired luther, uninspired Calvin, and uninspired zwingli. Or uninspired Arminius. Or their favourite authors.


indeed entire Deominations were founded on theirunimspired beliefs and writings!
Others founded on the uninspired man made tradition of archbishop cranmer.
Most of the “ articles and confessions “ start there.
Carbon quotes the uninspired canons of Dort.

Some of luthers teaching borders on the ludicrous With scripture.

He didnt like maccabees and prayers for the dead so he accepted the Jewish canon of around the time of the fall of jerusalem
He conveniently doesn’t mention that they rejected all the gospels As a matter of principle to.
So why does he accept the gospels, if he thinks post crucifixion rabbinic tradition is inspired!!!

Luther didn’t want to abolish the pope he wanted to be pope and even doctored scripture he didn’t like!!

When I quote ignatius or polycarp I’m quoting those who learbed from John what Joh. 6 meant.

Not an uninspired servant of an adulterous King of England, who didn’t want the church to stand in his way!

 

[Arial]

But then the apostles and succession were given the power to “ bind and loose”
Jesus made them judge and jury! They are the ones he “ sent”

Neither the word succession or the concept of it is in those scriptures. The Catholic church and the obedient servants add it for their own benefit.

And at least we can say since the beginning of christianity the Eucharist and mass have been in essence the same.

The beginning of Christianity is seen in Acts. You have no idea how anyone there was viewing the Eucharist and there was no mass. Mass is a Catholic construct.

The hypocrisy of protestants knows no bounds
They happily quote uninspired luther, uninspired Calvin, and uninspired luther,

indeed entire Deominations were founded on theirunimspired beliefs and writings!
Others founded on the uninspired man made tradition of archbishop cranmer.
Most of the “ articles and confessions “ start their,
Carbon quotes the uninspired canons of Dort.

Quoting someone who is not one of the biblical writers is not saying they are inspired, nor is it ever presented as such. At least not by Protestants. I can't really say the same in seeing how you use quotes from men not inspired as though what they say settles the matter. That does not mean what is said is not true when Calvin, Luther, the creeds, etc. are quoted. The Bible itself is the determiner of that.

Some of luthers teaching borders on the ludicrous!
He didnt like maccabees and prayers for the dead so he accepted the Jewish canon of around the time of the fall of jerusalem
He conveniently doesn’t mention that they rejected all the gospels As a matter of principle to.
So why does he accept the gospels, if he thinks post crucifixion rabbinic tradition is inspired!!!

I am not concerned with what Luther said or did in determining what I think the Bible says. Or anyone else for that matter. I don't base what I believe on whether another man was perfect in all he said or not. No one is. Not even the pope. I do not even consider myself infallible.

When I quote ignatius or polycarp I’m quoting those who learbed from John what Joh. 6 meant.

Not an uninspired servant of an adulterous King of England, who didn’t want the church to stand in his way!

So you think Ignatius and Polycarp were infallible and their writings carry the same weight of authority as the Bible writers?

 

[Mikeuk]

You are interested in what the Catholic church says the apostles and their disciples taught. Be honest. But while we are on the subject of things in a denomination that the apostles and their disciple adamantly taught against and therefore do not belong in His church----

Continuing revelations about sexual abuse by priests and other clergy have led to thousands of lawsuits against the Catholic Church in recent years. While other denominations have also been implicated in sexual abuse scandals, the Catholic Church has been at the forefront of media stories given its size, influence and ability to hide the actions of perpetrators within its ranks. (from consumersafety.org)

Law firm tallies 2,800 suits filed against Catholic entities under NY Child Victims Act​

I could go on listing but won't. Anyone can run a search of lawsuits against Catholic entities. Does this not cause you to see that something is seriously wrong?

That is completely off topic, it is not any church policy or doctrine
It also proves you lost the argument , to take an argument on doctrine there .

Every church has sinners.
RC is bigger than most , so has more of them. They do not act in the name of the church.
From scouts, to anglicans , schools , clubs - and Mainly families , Child abusers are a disgrace abs everywhere.
Indeed an Irish report concluded children were still far more at risk to family

 

[donadams]

You always give only portions of a sentence in one scripture of one completely isolated from all context as support for your claims. No one, not even the pope, will ever gain a true understanding of scripture from doing that. It is proof texting (and there is no such thing as a proof text) with confirmation bias. It provides as much support for the premise as a swamp does for a buildings foundation.

Christ did not "reform" the old covenant. He fulfilled it and it then it passed away. Heb 8:13 says clearly When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Back to Heb 9 beginning in verse 6



6These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9(which is symbolic for the present age).d According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.





11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,e then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctifyf for the purification of the flesh, 14
how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify ourg conscience from dead works to serve the living God.





23Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The Catholic church sets it own priests up in the place of Christ and establishes a whole series of new dead works.

One thing at a time please
Context
How do we know Jesus is “the way”?

Thanks

 

[Arial]

One thing at a time please
Context
How do we know Jesus is “the way”?

Thanks

That was one thing.
We know Jesus is the way because He tells us He is in the scriptures. What does that have to do with my post?

 

[Arial]

That is completely off topic, it is not any church policy or doctrine
It also proves you lost the argument , to take an argument on doctrine there .

It might have been off topic had you not posted this:

The hypocrisy of protestants knows no bounds

Every church has sinners.
RC is bigger than most , so has more of them. They do not act in the name of the church.

If they are priests and bishops etc. and set themselves up as the authority over Christ's church, they are always acting in the name of the church. And you did not answer the question as to whether it might indicate something is seriously wrong within the RCC structure?

From scouts, to anglicans , schools , clubs - and Mainly families , Child abusers are a disgrace abs everywhere.
Indeed an Irish report concluded children were still far more at risk to family

That is a deflection from the issue. What you name are indeed sinners of an exceedingly defiled and fitly nature, but they are not a massive organization in which such aberrant behaviour proliferates and always has should one look into the history of it. Which I have. And such persons look for places where they can hide in plain sight and are protected by the very organization to which they belong.

 

[Arial]

It also proves you lost the argument , to take an argument on doctrine there .

I wasn't taking the argument there. I was pointing out Catholicism's own hypocrisy as you lobbed the accusation at Protestants.

You have lost every argument you have been in for the simple fact that they all come from a false premise. One that has never been verified no matter how many times you are asked to do so. It is it's own and only witness to the premise.

 

[Eleanor]

Eph 2:10 For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them.

Agreed.

 

[Eleanor]

Eph 2 does not say “salvation”!

Read it again. . .a good Bible study seems in order.

 

[donadams]

You always give only portions of a sentence in one scripture of one completely isolated from all context as support for your claims. No one, not even the pope, will ever gain a true understanding of scripture from doing that. It is proof texting (and there is no such thing as a proof text) with confirmation bias. It provides as much support for the premise as a swamp does for a buildings foundation.

Christ did not "reform" the old covenant. He fulfilled it and it then passed away. Heb 8:13 says clearly When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Back to Heb 9 beginning in verse 6



6These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9(which is symbolic for the present age).d According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.





11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,e then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctifyf for the purification of the flesh, 14
how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify ourg conscience from dead works to serve the living God.





23Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The Catholic church sets it own priests up in the place of Christ and establishes a whole series of new dead works.

Context
According to context ex 20 only has 9 commandments

Ten Commandments

Ex 20

Scripture has no list (1, 2, 3, etc.) of the Ten Commandments

According to subject matter or context:

First commandment: ex 20:2-6
One God

Second commandment: ex 20:7
God’s name

Third commandment: ex 20:8-11
God’s sabbath

Fourth commandment: ex 20:12
Parents

Fifth commandment: ex 20:13
Murder

Sixth commandment: ex 20:14
Adultery

Seventh commandment: ex 20:15
Theft

Eighth commandment: ex 20:16
Lying

Ninth commandment: ex 20:17
Coveting

Separating the two about coveting makes Ten Commandments!

Ninth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbors goods.

Tenth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbor’s wife.

Reasonable to me!
Thanks

 

[donadams]

You always give only portions of a sentence in one scripture of one completely isolated from all context as support for your claims. No one, not even the pope, will ever gain a true understanding of scripture from doing that. It is proof texting (and there is no such thing as a proof text) with confirmation bias. It provides as much support for the premise as a swamp does for a buildings foundation.

Christ did not "reform" the old covenant. He fulfilled it and it then passed away. Heb 8:13 says clearly When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Back to Heb 9 beginning in verse 6



6These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9(which is symbolic for the present age).d According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.





11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,e then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctifyf for the purification of the flesh, 14
how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify ourg conscience from dead works to serve the living God.





23Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The Catholic church sets it own priests up in the place of Christ and establishes a whole series of new dead works.

Context

All scripture is the inspired word of God even one word!

Every word of Christ is eternal even one word!

How can context change the meaning of a verse?

Example Jn 11 in context says somehow that Jesus is not the resurrection and the life?

What you really mean perhaps is that:

Scripture out of context is catholic, scripture in context is Protestant!

Thanks

 

[donadams]

You always give only portions of a sentence in one scripture of one completely isolated from all context as support for your claims. No one, not even the pope, will ever gain a true understanding of scripture from doing that. It is proof texting (and there is no such thing as a proof text) with confirmation bias. It provides as much support for the premise as a swamp does for a buildings foundation.

Christ did not "reform" the old covenant. He fulfilled it and it then passed away. Heb 8:13 says clearly When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Back to Heb 9 beginning in verse 6



6These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9(which is symbolic for the present age).d According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.





11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,e then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctifyf for the purification of the flesh, 14
how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify ourg conscience from dead works to serve the living God.





23Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The Catholic church sets it own priests up in the place of Christ and establishes a whole series of new dead works.

The time of reformation was it the time of Christ or the time of Luther?

Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Heb 9:9 refers to the old covenant
Heb 9:10 a reformation
Heb 9:11-12 refers to a new covenant

Christ reformed the old into the new with many similarities!

Thanks

 

[Arial]

The time of reformation was it the time of Christ or the time of Luther?

Two different types of reformation. Jesus was fulfilling the old covenant that the new might come in. Luther and the Protestant Reformation which was actually going on before Luther, just not on as large a scale, and lasted long past Luther with refinements being made. And it was not an out with the old and in with the new. It was getting rid of all the heresies against the NT teaching that had come into the Roman church. There is no connection between the two things and no reason to even ask such a silly question.

Christ reformed the old into the new with many similarities!

There were no similarities of function in the two covenants. No priesthood, no sacrifices, one mediator as Priest who cleanses, Jesus Christ. All those in Christ may approach God directly---come boldly before the throne of grace to receive grace and mercy. No temple. The people are the temple of God. Eph 2:19-22

You did not address the comment that the Catholic church sets its own priests up in the place of Christ or all the dead works they insist on.

 

[Arial]

Context

All scripture is the inspired word of God even one word!

Every word of Christ is eternal even one word!

How can context change the meaning of a verse?

Example Jn 11 in context says somehow that Jesus is not the resurrection and the life?

What you really mean perhaps is that:

Scripture out of context is catholic, scripture in context is Protestant!

Thanks

What I am saying is that nothing read can be understood out of the context it is in, not even the Bible. It is not a magical book that needs magicians to interpret it.

 

[Arial]

Context
According to context ex 20 only has 9 commandments

Ten Commandments

Ex 20

Scripture has no list (1, 2, 3, etc.) of the Ten Commandments

According to subject matter or context:

First commandment: ex 20:2-6
One God

Second commandment: ex 20:7
God’s name

Third commandment: ex 20:8-11
God’s sabbath

Fourth commandment: ex 20:12
Parents

Fifth commandment: ex 20:13
Murder

Sixth commandment: ex 20:14
Adultery

Seventh commandment: ex 20:15
Theft

Eighth commandment: ex 20:16
Lying

Ninth commandment: ex 20:17
Coveting

Separating the two about coveting makes Ten Commandments!

Ninth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbors goods.

Tenth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbor’s wife.

Reasonable to me!
Thanks

Let me help you out as you seem lagging a bit.

context​

noun​

con·text ˈkän-ˌtekst

Synonyms of context
1
: the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning

2
: the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs : ENVIRONMENT, SETTING
the historical context of the war

 

[donadams]

You always give only portions of a sentence in one scripture of one completely isolated from all context as support for your claims. No one, not even the pope, will ever gain a true understanding of scripture from doing that. It is proof texting (and there is no such thing as a proof text) with confirmation bias. It provides as much support for the premise as a swamp does for a buildings foundation.

Christ did not "reform" the old covenant. He fulfilled it and it then passed away. Heb 8:13 says clearly When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Back to Heb 9 beginning in verse 6



6These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9(which is symbolic for the present age).d According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.





11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,e then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctifyf for the purification of the flesh, 14
how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify ourg conscience from dead works to serve the living God.





23Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The Catholic church sets it own priests up in the place of Christ and establishes a whole series of new dead works.

No Christ did: Lk 22:29
Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
Jn 17:22 / rom 2:10 / 1 pet 1:7 Christ shares His glory with His saints!
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
Must hear church Matt 18:18
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

Dead works, works of the law, and natural works apart from Christ, His church, and His grace indeed “dead works”!

118. Grace cannot be merited by natural works either de condigno or de congruo.

Fortunately for us it is very different, members of Christ and His church by grace our works are soaked in grace, the fruits of the merits of Christ’s passion and death.

Dogma
111. For every salutary act internal supernatural grace of God (gratia elevans) is absolutely necessary.
112. Internal supernatural grace is absolutely necessary for the beginning of faith and of salvation.

Thanks

 

[donadams]

All the partial and removed from context scriptures you post are presented as though it were established that in whatever way it interprets and uses scriptures is the one true way and they are the authority in the matter. But that has never been established. Only their own say so us ut premise. It is no different that a thief going before a court of law and saying to the judge and jury, "I am innocent and thus I declare myself." Presenting no other witnesses or making a case for his innocence other than is statement of innocence. What the Catholic church would have us do amounts to the judge and jury saying, "In that case, court dismissed, charges dropped." I am not that stupid.

Well you only accept “scripture” so whatever else (ecf, dogma, creeds, decree’s of councils, church teachings etc.) I presented would not be authoritative!

Where does scripture say it needs be in context?

Jesus is the way!

We only know this cos of a part of “one” verse with no context
Care to explain it?