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Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

Part 2 of 2 (cont)
Sole Opponent - A Heretic
In the 1,500 years from the time of Christ to the Protestant Reformation, the only bonafide opponent to infant Baptism was Tertullian (160 - 215), bishop of Carthage, Africa. His superficial objection was to the unfair responsibility laid on godparents when the children of pagans joined the church. However, his real opposition was more fundamental. It was his view that sinfulness begins at the "puberty, of the soul," that is "about the fourteenth year of life" and "it drives man out of the paradise of innocence" (De Anima 38:2). This rules out the belief in original sin.
Tertullian’s stance, together with other unorthodox views, led him to embrace Montanism in 207. Montanism denied the total corruption and sinfulness of human nature. With its emphasis upon the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit, it was the precursor to the modern Charismatic Movement.
Except for Tertullian’s heretical views, marking his departure from mainstream Christianity, the only other opposition to infant Baptism came during a brief period in the middle of the fourth century. The issue was the fear of post-Baptismal sin. This heretical view also denied Baptism to adults until their death-bed. It was not in reality a denial of infant baptism in and of itself. In fact, the heresy encouraged the Baptism of infants when death seemed imminent, as it also did for adults.

The Anabaptists
Not until the 1520s did the Christian Church experience opposition specifically to infant Baptism.
Under the influence of Thomas Muenzer and other fanatics who opposed both civil and religious authority, original sin and human concupiscence was denied until the "age of accountability." Although there is no basis in Scripture for this position, a considerable number of Swiss, German and Dutch embraced the Anabaptist cause. So offensive was this position that Roman Catholics, Lutherans and Reformed alike voiced strong warning and renunciation. It was considered a shameless affront to what had been practiced in each generation since Christ’s command in the Great Commission (Matthew 28: 18-20) to baptize all nations irrespective of age.


Regeneration for All Ages continued in part 2
Who would be so blind as to limit this expression of God’s grace and mercy to adolescents and adults and to exclude infants and children?. If John the Baptizer could be filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother’s womb (Luke 1: 15), and if Jesus could say (Matt. 18: 6), "Whoever offends one of these little ones (Gk."toddlers") who believe in Me, it were better that he were drowned in the depth of the sea," and if the Apostle Peter could say on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2: 39), "The promise is unto you and to your children," what mere mortal dare declare so gracious an invitation to be invalid for infants, or forbid the continuance of the Baptism of infants for coming generations?

If the entire families and households of the Philippian jailer, Lydia, Cornelius, Crispus and Stephanas of the New Testament were incorporated into the household of faith through Baptism, surely that testimony is immutable and established for all time.
Yes, we baptize babies. Unmistakably Scriptural proof substantiates that doctrine. Christian history, unbroken and uninterrupted. reflects such practice in each generation. Conscientious Christians do not delay but hasten with their children to Baptism that they may received the gift of salvation and regeneration and gratefully embrace the Apostle’s affirmation extended to those of all age groups: "For as many of you as have been baptized have put on Christ" (Galatians 3: 27).

Dennis Kastens
 
@Rella

What is the FUNCTION of infant baptism?

In other words, why are ‘we’ (the Church) baptizing them? Is it commanded by Jesus? Does it save them? Is it symbolic of something? Are they baptized so they will receive the Holy Spirit?

I don’t want to discuss what dead people did or didn’t do. Just help me to understand WHY we should do it (what purpose it serves).
 
@Rella

What is the FUNCTION of infant baptism?

In other words, why are ‘we’ (the Church) baptizing them? Is it commanded by Jesus? Does it save them? Is it symbolic of something? Are they baptized so they will receive the Holy Spirit?

I don’t want to discuss what dead people did or didn’t do. Just help me to understand WHY we should do it (what purpose it serves).
Well, if you do not want to discuss what dead people did or did not do then I dont know how to answer your questions.

I posted what I did because everyone gets all flustered by the very thought of such a happening. And it does appear as if back when Jesus walked the earth and throng the next century that infant baptism was common.

Now... that could simply have been expected as those who where in the process of learning about Jesus and Salvation wanted to be sure that their babies were covered incase of the death of the child at a young age.

Or to prove to God that they were giving their child into His Care. I attended a RCC baptism and it was a dedication of the baby to God.
In our baptisms we also dedicate the infant or child to God.

If one believes in Original sin (I don't) then that I suppose would have a bearing on how early one should get baptized to "wash those sins away".

If one is a Calvinist (I am not) then John Calvin was a proponent of infant Baptism tieing it into the 8th day circumcisions of the covenant of God. It is also listed in the Westminster Confession of faith along with relating it to circumcision .

Many get upset because they feel it not appropriate until one has a clear understanding of why they need to be baptised. Yet...

Have you recently checked out... (You dont have to read this dead person's story. Im including it for those who might want to.

Jeremiah: 1

5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

6 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.

7 But the Lord said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.

Do you disagree with that in Christian theology, sanctification is a state of separation unto God... that all believers enter into this state when they are born of God: But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption 1 Cor !:30, KJV). The sanctification mentioned in this verse is a once-for-ever separation of believers unto God. It is a work God performs, an integral part of our salvation and our connection with Christ ....By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (Heb 10:10, KJV). ?
And we are a little uncertain of John the Baptist's state when he kick in his mother when Mary came with Jesus not yet born.

Even Peter said

1st Peter 2:2​

“As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:”

Did Jesus command it? NO.

But he did say in Matt 19:14 KJV
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

AND

Matt 18:3KJV
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

And how were the little children. Learning and growing toward God.
 
Well, if you do not want to discuss what dead people did or did not do then I dont know how to answer your questions.

I posted what I did because everyone gets all flustered by the very thought of such a happening. And it does appear as if back when Jesus walked the earth and throng the next century that infant baptism was common.
I don't get flustered ... I have many Presbyterian and Lutheran and Anglican friends that sprinkle Babies. I know WHY the Presbyterians do so (and simply disagree with their reasoning about the "Covenant Community" embracing Households as part of the CHURCH.)

I am indifferent to the opinions of PEOPLE (from ECFs to John Calvin to the current Pontiff) for the simple reason that "people get stuff wrong". Therefore, I place my trust in "God-breathed" words of scripture (yay Sola Scriptura) and I choose to discuss WHY YOU (the individuals with whom I interact) choose to hold the beliefs they hold. Thus, the questions about EXACTLY what YOU BELIEVE sprinkling an infant accomplishes.

Since you chose not to answer, I must conclude that you have no answer. You baptize infants because "some authority told you to" and you have no idea what, if anything, that baptism accomplishes.

I care about WHY, and you don't care WHY.
You care about WHO SAID, and I don't care WHO SAID (outside of scripture).
Which only means that we really have nothing worth discussing with each other.

Shalom (peace).
 
Part 2 of 2 (cont)
Sole Opponent - A Heretic
In the 1,500 years from the time of Christ to the Protestant Reformation, the only bonafide opponent to infant Baptism was Tertullian (160 - 215), bishop of Carthage, Africa. His superficial objection was to the unfair responsibility laid on godparents when the children of pagans joined the church. However, his real opposition was more fundamental. It was his view that sinfulness begins at the "puberty, of the soul," that is "about the fourteenth year of life" and "it drives man out of the paradise of innocence" (De Anima 38:2). This rules out the belief in original sin.
Tertullian’s stance, together with other unorthodox views, led him to embrace Montanism in 207. Montanism denied the total corruption and sinfulness of human nature. With its emphasis upon the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit, it was the precursor to the modern Charismatic Movement.
Except for Tertullian’s heretical views, marking his departure from mainstream Christianity, the only other opposition to infant Baptism came during a brief period in the middle of the fourth century. The issue was the fear of post-Baptismal sin. This heretical view also denied Baptism to adults until their death-bed. It was not in reality a denial of infant baptism in and of itself. In fact, the heresy encouraged the Baptism of infants when death seemed imminent, as it also did for adults.

The Anabaptists
Not until the 1520s did the Christian Church experience opposition specifically to infant Baptism. Under the influence of Thomas Muenzer and other fanatics who opposed both civil and religious authority, original sin and human concupiscence was denied until the "age of accountability." Although there is no basis in Scripture for this position, a considerable number of Swiss, German and Dutch embraced the Anabaptist cause. So offensive was this position that Roman Catholics, Lutherans and Reformed alike voiced strong warning and renunciation. It was considered a shameless affront to what had been practiced in each generation since Christ’s command in the Great Commission (Matthew 28: 18-20) to baptize all nations irrespective of age.


Regeneration for All Ages continued in part 2
Who would be so blind as to limit this expression of God’s grace and mercy to adolescents and adults and to exclude infants and children?. If John the Baptizer could be filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother’s womb (Luke 1: 15), and if Jesus could say (Matt. 18: 6), "Whoever offends one of these little ones (Gk."toddlers") who believe in Me, it were better that he were drowned in the depth of the sea," and if the Apostle Peter could say on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2: 39), "The promise is unto you and to your children," what mere mortal dare declare so gracious an invitation to be invalid for infants, or forbid the continuance of the Baptism of infants for coming generations?

If the entire families and households of the Philippian jailer, Lydia, Cornelius, Crispus and Stephanas of the New Testament were incorporated into the household of faith through Baptism, surely that testimony is immutable and established for all time.
Yes, we baptize babies. Unmistakably Scriptural proof substantiates that doctrine. Christian history, unbroken and uninterrupted. reflects such practice in each generation. Conscientious Christians do not delay but hasten with their children to Baptism that they may received the gift of salvation and regeneration and gratefully embrace the Apostle’s affirmation extended to those of all age groups: "For as many of you as have been baptized have put on Christ" (Galatians 3: 27).

Dennis Kastens
If you look, all the churches had a baptismal pool for adult believers, check all the history, not babies till the church of Rome brought in the pagan practice of sprinkling, and said they could use it to 'baptize' infants.
 
If you look, all the churches had a baptismal pool for adult believers, check all the history, not babies till the church of Rome brought in the pagan practice of sprinkling, and said they could use it to 'baptize' infants.
I think you should give an honest look into the history of the church. Personally I believe you have a poor understanding of the history behind this doctrine
 
I think you should give an honest look into the history of the church. Personally I believe you have a poor understanding of the history behind this doctrine
While I affirm Believers Baptism by Immersion would be the most biblical method/mode, do not see this issue as involving essential doctrine, so can agree to disagree in a Christ like fashion
 
While I affirm Believers Baptism by Immersion would be the most biblical method/mode, do not see this issue as involving essential doctrine, so can agree to disagree in a Christ like fashion
Do you think one week old babies can truly make a decision to follow Christ?
 
Do you think one week old babies can truly make a decision to follow Christ?
@Hobie,

Do you think God the Father incapable of knowing exactly how that one week old will decide when it is older?

I have been reading your link. It is well explained and I fond this interesting.... Color changes are mine for emphasis as are my comments.

Early Christian Baptisms (1st–4th Century)​

In the earliest days of the church, baptism was a public, powerful act.

It often happened outdoors—by rivers, springs, or pools—just as Jesus was baptized in the Jordan. Baptism meant immersion. It meant change. And it needed water that flowed.
This imagery of new life in “living water” was deeply symbolic and central to the early Christian message

We read that in the Didache, which some scoff at I posted this before....The Didache instructs that baptism should be performed in running water, and if that is not available, in other water; if cold water is not accessible, warm water can be used. If none of these options are available, water may be poured on the head three times in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and both the baptizer and the baptized should fast beforehand. the running water as it is considered living water.

There were no buildings yet. No fonts. No formalities. Just the community, the convert, and the current.

As Christianity spread underground during times of persecution, some baptisms happened in secret—inside catacombs, private homes, or Roman bathhouses converted for worship. Archeological evidence shows carefully chiseled baptismal basins, tucked away where the faithful gathered under threat.

I was told, as recently as about 9 years ago there are no private baptisms... like the Unrich had. It must be public. My own church says
it has to be done by an ordained minister or Elder.


It was faith in action. Quiet. Bold. And always wet with meaning.

Medieval and Gothic Baptistries (10th–15th Century)​

As church architecture evolved, so did baptistries. What had once been separate buildings became more integrated into the church’s layout.

Some baptistries were still distinct structures—especially in Italy and parts of the Byzantine East. Others moved inside churches, usually near the entrance, to symbolize baptism as the entry point into the Christian life.

Fonts got smaller. Immersion gradually gave way to pouring or sprinkling. The shift in theology emphasized original sin and the baptism of infants, which changed the form and function of baptistries.

That could well be the reason for

‘Magnificent’ 1,500 Year-Old Baptismal Font is Discovered in Church at Birthplace of Jesus in Bethlehem

Source: Basilica.ro
The discovery of a baptismal font during the restoration work of the Church of the Nativity in the biblical city of Bethlehem in the occupied West Bank will pave the way to learn more about the history of the church, announced on Saturday, June 22, Ziad al-Bandak, head of the Presidential Committee for the Restoration of the Church of the Nativity.

1500-Year-old Concealed ‘Font Within A Font’ Found At Jesus’ Birthplace

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Design became ornate. Stone fonts were carved with biblical scenes. Marble basins featured Latin inscriptions. Metal canopies, called ciboria, rose above fonts like miniature tabernacles. Baptismal fonts were often placed beneath elaborate domes or inside chapels, surrounded by frescoes and sacred imagery.

The baptistry became a place of art as well as meaning. Its beauty reflected the gravity of what took place within it.

Reformation and Simplicity (16th–18th Century)​

The Protestant Reformation brought new theology—and new design.

Reformers challenged the lavishness of church spaces. They emphasized Scripture, personal faith, and functional design. Baptistries were made plain, often minimal. They moved from grand halls to modest corners.

In Baptist and Anabaptist traditions, full-immersion returned with force. Churches built indoor pools, often behind the pulpit or in a separate room. The architecture of baptism shifted to reflect a theology that focused on believer’s baptism—an informed, public choice.

In regions shaped by Calvinist and Puritan influences, baptistries disappeared altogether—replaced by simple basins or no special structure at all.

The act of baptism remained sacred, but no longer required grandeur. It was personal. Intentional. Clean in form and focused in purpose.

Now this is not all from your link... but it serves to show how baptisms have changed over the centuries.

Whether these changes are acceptible to God, only time will tell.... but it seems that change has happened across the board.
 
I think you should give an honest look into the history of the church. Personally I believe you have a poor understanding of the history behind this doctrine
A much better source for understanding baptism is James Dale's trilogy on baptism. Dale covered Judaic baptism, Christic baptism, and Patristic baptism. Dale's been fairly exhaustive. He wrote a summary book. If you scroll down on that linked-to page, it is the book with the title that starts, "Classic Baptism....." His books are not an easy read because he's mined the usage of "baptizo," and the practices of baptism so deeply. It's also an uncomfortable read because he provides PILES of examples of baptisms that was immersive and sprinklings and washings. No one method proves definitive. He also provides many examples of baptisms that were judgmental, episodes of wrath, not salvific. It is, of course, much easier to read a web article that summarizes history from a biased perspective than the read three or four entire books examining the history leading up to the period of time that web article says it covers, but the work is worth the effort (which is not to say Dale is entirely unbiased, only that he is much more thorough than the author of the web article).

Btw, Baptist history is not synonymous with Church history.
 
@Hobie,

Do you think God the Father incapable of knowing exactly how that one week old will decide when it is older?

I have been reading your link. It is well explained and I fond this interesting.... Color changes are mine for emphasis as are my comments.

Early Christian Baptisms (1st–4th Century)​

In the earliest days of the church, baptism was a public, powerful act.

It often happened outdoors—by rivers, springs, or pools—just as Jesus was baptized in the Jordan. Baptism meant immersion. It meant change. And it needed water that flowed.
This imagery of new life in “living water” was deeply symbolic and central to the early Christian message

We read that in the Didache, which some scoff at I posted this before....The Didache instructs that baptism should be performed in running water, and if that is not available, in other water; if cold water is not accessible, warm water can be used. If none of these options are available, water may be poured on the head three times in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and both the baptizer and the baptized should fast beforehand. the running water as it is considered living water.

There were no buildings yet. No fonts. No formalities. Just the community, the convert, and the current.

As Christianity spread underground during times of persecution, some baptisms happened in secret—inside catacombs, private homes, or Roman bathhouses converted for worship. Archeological evidence shows carefully chiseled baptismal basins, tucked away where the faithful gathered under threat.

I was told, as recently as about 9 years ago there are no private baptisms... like the Unrich had. It must be public. My own church says
it has to be done by an ordained minister or Elder.


It was faith in action. Quiet. Bold. And always wet with meaning.

Medieval and Gothic Baptistries (10th–15th Century)​

As church architecture evolved, so did baptistries. What had once been separate buildings became more integrated into the church’s layout.

Some baptistries were still distinct structures—especially in Italy and parts of the Byzantine East. Others moved inside churches, usually near the entrance, to symbolize baptism as the entry point into the Christian life.

Fonts got smaller. Immersion gradually gave way to pouring or sprinkling. The shift in theology emphasized original sin and the baptism of infants, which changed the form and function of baptistries.

That could well be the reason for

‘Magnificent’ 1,500 Year-Old Baptismal Font is Discovered in Church at Birthplace of Jesus in Bethlehem

Source: Basilica.ro
The discovery of a baptismal font during the restoration work of the Church of the Nativity in the biblical city of Bethlehem in the occupied West Bank will pave the way to learn more about the history of the church, announced on Saturday, June 22, Ziad al-Bandak, head of the Presidential Committee for the Restoration of the Church of the Nativity.

1500-Year-old Concealed ‘Font Within A Font’ Found At Jesus’ Birthplace

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Design became ornate. Stone fonts were carved with biblical scenes. Marble basins featured Latin inscriptions. Metal canopies, called ciboria, rose above fonts like miniature tabernacles. Baptismal fonts were often placed beneath elaborate domes or inside chapels, surrounded by frescoes and sacred imagery.

The baptistry became a place of art as well as meaning. Its beauty reflected the gravity of what took place within it.

Reformation and Simplicity (16th–18th Century)​

The Protestant Reformation brought new theology—and new design.

Reformers challenged the lavishness of church spaces. They emphasized Scripture, personal faith, and functional design. Baptistries were made plain, often minimal. They moved from grand halls to modest corners.

In Baptist and Anabaptist traditions, full-immersion returned with force. Churches built indoor pools, often behind the pulpit or in a separate room. The architecture of baptism shifted to reflect a theology that focused on believer’s baptism—an informed, public choice.

In regions shaped by Calvinist and Puritan influences, baptistries disappeared altogether—replaced by simple basins or no special structure at all.

The act of baptism remained sacred, but no longer required grandeur. It was personal. Intentional. Clean in form and focused in purpose.

Now this is not all from your link... but it serves to show how baptisms have changed over the centuries.

Whether these changes are acceptible to God, only time will tell.... but it seems that change has happened across the board.
Then he can be baptized, and all is acceptable to God..
 
Do you think one week old babies can truly make a decision to follow Christ?
What does their decision have to do with becoming saved?

But, just so you understand, yes, they are as able as you and I to turn our hearts to Christ, once he enables them (and us) to do so. Do you think the difference between our degree of understanding the love of God and their degree of understanding the love of God is of some significance? If they are elect, they will be saved. Is God inhibited by their youth?
 
What does their decision have to do with becoming saved?

But, just so you understand, yes, they are as able as you and I to turn our hearts to Christ, once he enables them (and us) to do so. Do you think the difference between our degree of understanding the love of God and their degree of understanding the love of God is of some significance? If they are elect, they will be saved. Is God inhibited by their youth?
Amen bro!
 
What does their decision have to do with becoming saved?

But, just so you understand, yes, they are as able as you and I to turn our hearts to Christ, once he enables them (and us) to do so. Do you think the difference between our degree of understanding the love of God and their degree of understanding the love of God is of some significance? If they are elect, they will be saved. Is God inhibited by their youth?
Ah now you see the dangers of not believing in freewill, my brother.
 
Ah now you see the dangers of not believing in freewill, my brother.
The idea that GOD is able to save ANYONE … is that a “danger”?
 
Do you think one week old babies can truly make a decision to follow Christ?
@Hobie... Just a little FYI

I ran into this explanation that perhaps can say it better then I... since I seem to not be able to communicate on this
subject.

It has to deal with confirmation into the church at an age of 12 or 13.... for those who were baptized within the church as a baby or an infant.

You will still be at odds with this, but I wanted you to see... not just from me.... that this is rather a completion from infant baptism to
out confirming our faith in Jesus.... written simpply for the audience in this service was ages 12-13

Is this backwards... yes, but I was a little too young to complain. AND WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU EXPECT FROM A CALVIN BELIEVEING CHURCH?

This was from a worship bulletin of a Presbyterian Church. January 2025.


Baptism of the Lord and Confirmation

What does it mean to be Confirmed?

When someone is confirmed in the Presbyterian Church, they are affirming the promises made on their behalf during their baptism. These promises were made by their parents and church family, who committed to helping them grow in faith. I wonder if you have ever made promises during a baptism in our church. Beginning in September, the confirmands have been participating in Sunday morning classes, learning more about their faith and what it means to be part of the church. You have probably seen these friends in many places within our church. Today, as they are confirmed, they become full members of the church and will begin serving the church in new and exciting ways. Let’s celebrate this important milestone together!

Where in the Word is the Word?

If you’d like to read along in the Bible today, the scripture readings are:

Book of the Bible Chapter Verses Biblical Section
Isaiah 43 1-7 Hebrew Scriptures
Luke 3 15-17, 21-22 Gospels

In the reading from Luke, we learn about Jesus’ very own baptism. The tablebelow may help you understand more about this important time in Jesus’ lifeand why baptism and confirmation are special steps in your faith journey.

The What The Details
Jesus' Age at Baptism Jesus was about 30 years old when He was baptized.

Where It Happened Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist in the Jordan River.

The Baptism Moment After Jesus was baptized, something amazing happened! The sky opened, and the Holy Spirit came down like a dove.
God's Voice A voice from heaven said, “You are my beloved Son; with you, I am well pleased.”

Why It Was Important This moment showed everyone that Jesus was chosen by God and marked the beginning of Jesus’ ministry— His special work of teaching and helping people.

Why We Continue Baptism Baptism today is a way of saying, “I want to follow Jesus!” Itshows that we are part of God’s family. Many times, a child's family says this for the child first and then the child gets a chance to confirm that later when they’re older.

Connection to Confirmation When older children and teens confirm their faith, it’s like saying, “Yes, I still want to follow Jesus and be part of this church family"


So it is after they have their ceremony of accepting and stating their beliefs in Jesus in the church, in front of the congregation athey then will receive their first Holy Communion and not a moment before. Because In the Presbyterian Church, First Holy Communion signifies a young teen's understanding and acceptance of their faith, marking their participation in the Lord's Supper after being baptized. It represents a step in their spiritual growth and commitment to the church community


From another Presbyterian church comes.

According to PC(USA), Confirmation is the rite of initiation within mainline Protestant churches in which young adolescents enter into full confession and affirmation of faith. Soon after birth, most of us are Baptized at which time our parents or godparents stand in for us and promise to teach us about the beliefs of the Presbyterian Church. One must be baptized to be confirmed. And, for the many youth who were baptized as infants, confirmation marks the first public participation in the liturgical life of the church of their own volition. Basically, when we are confirmed we enter into mature participation within a congregation.

What we affirm is as follows:

By the Holy Spirit, I am made one with the Lord Jesus Christ. I am baptized into Christ’s body, the church. As a member of this community, I trust in God’s Word, share in the Lord’s Supper, and turn to God in prayer. As I grow in grace and knowledge, I am led to do the good works that God intends for my life.

OKay, Ill stop... but there is more that I could post for you ... I just want you to know that the entire process is not simply to sprinkle water
on a baby and that is the end.
 
Ah now you see the dangers of not believing in freewill, my brother.
Is that free-will concerning what color shirt you'll wear today...or free-will concerning salvation?

You see, according to John 3:17ish...we are already condemned. Your free-will default is hell.

Did you have free-will and choose your parents? Did you have free-will when you were born and could have chosen to have a sin nature?
 
The Bible is clear, we have freewill to choose as Christ opened the door with His gift of eternal life...

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

What Does the Bible Say About Christ Died For All?
 
The Bible is clear, we have freewill to choose as Christ opened the door with His gift of eternal life...

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

What Does the Bible Say About Christ Died For All?
Hmmm...

  1. Freewill and free will are not the same thing. The word "freewill" simply means "voluntary," whereas the phrase "free will," means the will is wholly independent and unfettered.
  2. That verse does not clearly state we have free will or freewill. It makes no mention of the sinner's will at all.

Try again.
 
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