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HOW GENUINE IS THE "RAPTURE" DOCTRINE?

Why do you change what Jesus clearly stated. The disciples said, if he is asleep, let's go wake him up. Jesus just simply stated, Lazarus is dead. Why? Because the disciples didn't get it.
What they did not get was he was dead asleep .Not dead never to rise.
No. He wept because He felt grief. He was overcome by grief. Jesus shared in our experiences, and this is where He experienced grief.
He wept in grief because of the lack of understanding of the parables. Jesus the most misunderstood person who ever walked They understood not what things they were which he spoke them hiding the gospel understanding from the non believing world .

It's not reincarnation

Without parable Christ spoke not John 11 is not exempt.

John 11:34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. (because of that ).. . . Jesus wept.. .verse 35.

John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death:( calling it sleep) but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.(asleep) And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him. Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.

Again not understanding the parable (dead asleep) they said Let us also go, that we may die with him. No reincarnation

It is how the word sleep is used throughout the gospels

Matthew 9:24He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn

Parables as prophecy teach us how to walk after the unseen eternal things of God .They must be rightly divided and not literalized

.Mark 5:38-40King James Version38 And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly. And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying.
 
Why do you change what Jesus clearly stated. The disciples said, if he is asleep, let's go wake him up. Jesus just simply stated, Lazarus is dead. Why? Because the disciples didn't get it.

Hi thanks

I agree that's what he said in that parable . He had already informed them he was asleep.He obviously did not lie or try and trick them . Not dead to never rise again . No reincarnation .

Lazarus did eventual die and like all believer he is asleep awaiting the new body as the bride of Christ The Brides wake up call on the last day arise sleepy heads receive your new born again bodies .
No. He wept because He felt grief. He was overcome by grief. Jesus shared in our experiences, and this is where He experienced grief.

Hi I would offer. .

The verse before it reveals why he wept.

John 11:34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. He wept.because of their unbelief .

The Jews knew the grief was because the father loved them they just could not understand the parable. a learning process

John 11:36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!

They wondered, wondered in unbelief. No faith of Christ as it is written.

natural mankind having no understanding of the faith or labor of the Father's love working inthe Son of man. Jesus dying mankind of his own has no power to raise a person from dead sleep . Neither could he open the eyes of the blind. Only the unseen Holy Father has that power.

John 11:37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?

No man could

I think Jesus wept because of their unbelief. Weeping .. . . a prayer heard by the father who sent Jesus a message of faith and comfort to strengthen the Son again and again. three times three days and nights finishing the promised gospel demonstration .

Mark 6:6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

Jesus again groaning sufferings in respect to the unbelief of the apostles .I would think he continued to wept with tears that turned into joy . The humble weeping savior.

John 11:38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.

Psalm 6:8 Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity; for the Lord hath heard the voice of my weeping.

Psalm 56:8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?

Job 16:20 My friends scorn me: but mine eye poureth out tears unto God.

A reminder to pray for each other and don't fall asleep like the apostles in thier early learning period .
 
Hi thanks

I agree that's what he said in that parable .
It wasn't a parable.
He had already informed them he was asleep.He obviously did not lie or try and trick them . Not dead to never rise again . No reincarnation .
Yes, because He believed that they understood what He meant. They did not. Even Paul says that the members of the church who were dead, were asleep. Why, because they were not separated from God. Death is to be separated from God.
Lazarus did eventual die and like all believer he is asleep awaiting the new body as the bride of Christ The Brides wake up call on the last day arise sleepy heads receive your new born again bodies .
Jesus said that Lazarus dying served a purpose. It was not his appointed time to die and go to judgement, so he did not. He did not escape his appointment because of Jesus. It served a purpose, just as the blind man served a purpose. The disciples asked Jesus who in the man's family had sinned that he was born blind. Jesus said no one had sinned, but this was for the purposes of the Father, that the Son be glorified.
Hi I would offer. .

The verse before it reveals why he wept.

John 11:34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. He wept.because of their unbelief .
That isn't what it says. Stop changing what God has told us.

"30 Now Jesus had not yet come into the village, but was still at the place where Martha met Him. 31 Then the Jews who were with her in the house and were consoling her, when they saw that Mary had gotten up quickly and left, they followed her, thinking that she was going to the tomb to weep there. 32 So when Mary came to the place where Jesus was, she saw Him and fell at His feet, saying to Him, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.” 33 Therefore when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her also weeping, He was deeply moved in spirit and [k]was troubled, 34 and He said, “Where have you laid him?” They *said to Him, “Lord, come and see.” 35 Jesus wept. 36 So the Jews were saying, “See how He loved him!” 37 But some of them said, “Could this man, who opened the eyes of the man who was blind, not have also [l]kept this man from dying?”

Why did Jesus weep? Mary told Jesus point blank, that if Jesus had been there, then Lazarus would not have died. Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews with her, and He was deeply moved. DEEPLY MOVED. He asked her where He had been laid, and they said to Him to come and see. So, after going and seeing, Jesus wept. The Jews understood. "See how He loved Him!" Jesus was now, as scripture says elsewhere, acquainted with grief. The purpose of Lazarus death was to bring glory to God, and that the Son might be glorified through it. Just as with the blind man.
The Jews knew the grief was because the father loved them they just could not understand the parable. a learning process

John 11:36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!

They wondered, wondered in unbelief. No faith of Christ as it is written.

natural mankind having no understanding of the faith or labor of the Father's love working inthe Son of man. Jesus dying mankind of his own has no power to raise a person from dead sleep . Neither could he open the eyes of the blind. Only the unseen Holy Father has that power.

John 11:37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?
SOME OF THEM. Some didn't get what was happening. They did not understand God's purposes, as you don't seem to understand. Yes, Jesus could have stopped Lazarus from dying, but that was not the purpose of the Father. Jesus, the man, had to come and see the grief of Mary and the Jews with her, and deal with His own grief at the death of His friend. He did. John 11:35 "Jesus wept".
No man could

I think Jesus wept because of their unbelief. Weeping .. . . a prayer heard by the father who sent Jesus a message of faith and comfort to strengthen the Son again and again. three times three days and nights finishing the promised gospel demonstration .

Mark 6:6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
This is not connected to John 11.
Jesus again groaning sufferings in respect to the unbelief of the apostles .I would think he continued to wept with tears that turned into joy . The humble weeping savior.

John 11:38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
"38 So Jesus, again being deeply moved within, *came to the tomb. Now it was a cave, and a stone was lying against it. "
Yes, again, His friend has died, and He has seen the grief within Mary and the Jews with her. Again " 33 Therefore when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her also weeping, He was deeply moved in spirit and [k]was troubled,"
Psalm 6:8 Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity; for the Lord hath heard the voice of my weeping.

Psalm 56:8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?

Job 16:20 My friends scorn me: but mine eye poureth out tears unto God.

A reminder to pray for each other and don't fall asleep like the apostles in thier early learning period .
Again, this has no connection to John 11.
 
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