How Do We Discern Wolves in Sheep's Clothing?

[grace2]

The JW,s bear witness about Jehovah=the only true God. And of the one whom he sent forth Jesus Christ our king.
I stand up for Jesus' religion, 99% on this earth are mislead and living in darkness. You twist things to try to fit your false reasonings, but facts of true God worship history and the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers as the ones whom Jesus appointed=These-Matt 24:45.

Promoting the JW organization is not such a good idea.

 

[Mr GLee]

You mean the Father gave Jesus etc.., but that still begs the question, " What Godlike qualities did Jesus lack?"

One is he cannot create matter from non matter .He cannot forgive a person of the eternal debt of sin neither can rebuke the father of lies ..

Everything that we lack of being eternal God Jesus our brother in the lord Jesus lacks
Power that works in us not of us in any shape or form

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[Mr GLee]

The JW,s bear witness about Jehovah=the only true God. And of the one whom he sent forth Jesus Christ our king.
I stand up for Jesus' religion, 99% on this earth are mislead and living in darkness. You twist things to try to fit your false reasonings, but facts of true God worship history and the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers as the ones whom Jesus appointed=These-Matt 24:45.

The JW's bear witness of the JWs like any sect .

In that way Christ said there must be a difference of opinion (heresy) His kingdom not come by looking at the temporal things seen rather than the unseen eternal .

The ones that did peach are dead. We do not know God after a succession of dying mankind.(anti-christs)

Some do teach we need dying mankind to teach us .(anti-christs) Certainly not the ones in Matthew 24 . . They are Long gone.

Sola scritiraua is the reforming authority in any time period. It seems doctrines having to do with blood and the word number 144,000 give us the same foundation as Catholicism, venerable puffed up mankind against venerable puffed up mankind . . . . . above that which is written.

 

[prism]

Jesus had godlike qualities that is why he is called a god at John 1:1 in the Greek lexicons. He is not called God at John 1:1 in the Greek lexicons.

You are simply playing games with capital G and small g. Biblically speaking, in Scripture a small g (god) was referring to the Pagan gods or false gods. Are you willing to call Jesus a false or pagan god?

 

[prism]

He is not His Father.

His Father is the God.

Bib big difference.

Jesus gets all commandments from His Father.

Jesus cannot do anything on His own without His Father.

His Father is the Boss.

And yet Jesus received worship without rebuking those who worshiped Him...

Matthew 2:11 ESV
And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

Later the Father honored the worship of Jesus, by warning them not to return to Herod...

Matthew 2:12 ESV
And being warned in a dream not to return to Herod, they departed to their own country by another way.

ALSO

Matthew 14:33 ESV
And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

Matthew 28:8-9 ESV
So they departed quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to tell his disciples. [9] And behold, Jesus met them and said, "Greetings!" And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.


Then there is Thomas, rightly confessing and calling Jesus 'my God'.

 

[prism]

One is he cannot create matter from non matter .He cannot forgive a person of the eternal debt of sin neither can rebuke the father of lies ..

John 1:3 ESV
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 1:16 KJV
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


Mark 2:5-7 KJV
When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. [6] But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, [7] Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

 

[VCO]

It would make 0 sense if your reasoning was correct. There would no justice involved and all of Gods ways are justice( Deut 32:4)--All have a chance to enter the narrow gate. Jesus death was for all to have that opportunity.

All who would be saved, were saved before time began! Your wild Theory ONLY gives only rise to the FALSE DOCTRINE OF WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS. You must think that Man saves himself, or has a part to play in our Salvation.

This is a verse that spells out JESUS DID IT ALL.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

 

[grace2]

All who would be saved, were saved before time began! Your wild Theory ONLY gives only rise to the FALSE DOCTRINE OF WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS. You must think that Man saves himself, or has a part to play in our Salvation.

So Jesus' warnings are worthless whether we will be saved or not?

Jesus says to be faithful until the end.

Another red flag commentary.

 

[VCO]

So Jesus' warnings are worthless whether we will be saved or not?

Jesus says to be faithful until the end.

Another red flag commentary.

You can only earn rewards by serving HIM. Salvation is NOT A REWARD, it IS UNEARNED A FREE GIFT from HIM. It is BECAUSE we are SAVED, which Puts the desire to Serve HIM in our Hearts.

Sounds like you sould start over, because serving HIM to GET SOMETHING from HIM, is WORTHLESS. That is how worthless sin has made you.

 

[Mr GLee]

John 1:3 ESV
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 1:16 KJV For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


Mark 2:5-7 KJV
When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. [6] But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, [7] Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

All things are made though our invisible head, Christ according to the law of faith. "Let there be and it was good". The one Faithful Creator .

When Jesus the prophet apostle saw the power of Christ faith working in the men. He did not say he had the power of his own dying flesh to forgive . Yoked with the Father the, father empowered the Son of man. the prophet

Note . . (my addition) to make a point

Mark 2:5-7 When Jesus saw their faith,(the unseen things Christ in us) he said (prophesied the living words of the Father) unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?. . .not dying mankind the Son of man Jesus our brother in the lord

He did not say the power to forgive was not given by the invisible head but rather came from his own dying flesh .That's a Catholic thing venerate sinners, dying mankind forgiving sinners of a eternal debt . The Father alone (the one with power) can forgave sin and rebuke the father of lies

Mark 2:9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?(Neither possible with dying mankind ) But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth (from the father) o forgive sins,he saith to the sick of the palsy I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house

In other words, by the words of the Holy Father he gave to the apostle Jesus ,.The Father says rise come forth .

John6: 43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice,(of the father) Lazarus, come forth.

 

[Mr GLee]

So Jesus' warnings are worthless whether we will be saved or not?

Jesus says to be faithful until the end.

Another red flag commentary.

Yes empowered by his labor of love or work of his faith we can be faithful to the end.

He as it is written is our one source of mutual faith that works in all born from above. He gives us little of His faithfulness and calls us of "little faith" *The golden measure, just enough to please the author of faith and perfecter the power to work it out to the end . again to His good pleasure.

Not of one own dying self "false pride".

Because of that powerful work he began in us we have that very confidence he will finish till the last day.

Philippian 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[prism]

All things are made though our invisible head, Christ according to the law of faith. "Let there be and it was good". The one Faithful Creator .

When Jesus the prophet apostle saw the power of Christ faith working in the men. He did not say he had the power of his own dying flesh to forgive . Yoked with the Father the, father empowered the Son of man. the prophet

Note . . (my addition) to make a point

Mark 2:5-7 When Jesus saw their faith,(the unseen things Christ in us) he said (prophesied the living words of the Father) unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?. . .not dying mankind the Son of man Jesus our brother in the lord

He did not say the power to forgive was not given by the invisible head but rather came from his own dying flesh .That's a Catholic thing venerate sinners, dying mankind forgiving sinners of a eternal debt . The Father alone (the one with power) can forgave sin and rebuke the father of lies

Mark 2:9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?(Neither possible with dying mankind ) But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth (from the father) o forgive sins,he saith to the sick of the palsy I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house

In other words, by the words of the Holy Father he gave to the apostle Jesus ,.The Father says rise come forth .

John6: 43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice,(of the father) Lazarus, come forth.

Sorry, I'm clueless as to the point you're trying to make.

 

[Mr GLee]

Sorry, I'm clueless as to the point you're trying to make.

Sorry thanks.

Was Jesus our brother in the lord the Son a man a prophet sent as apostle? And like the words the Father spoke through Balaam's Ass a ceremonial unclean, used to represent unbelievers, faithless mankind no faith as power coming from God by which they could believe.

The Father rebuking the false apostle false prophet Balaam.

Jesus the Son of man like us had the power to forgive or rebuke. It was not of his own dying flesh and blood an more than Balaam's Ass flesh and blood ,

God is not served by the temporal dying hands as a will of mankind in any way shape or form .We have the treasure of his power needed to forgive the eternal wage of sin working in us. Again not of faithless of dying flesh and blood

 

[donadams]

Not sure what you meant by that?

But Yes we were saved Before Time Began.

Another verse states Exactly that, by Jesus Christ, God in the Spirit, WHO sees in the future or IS IN THE FUTURE:

Revelation 13:8 (HCSB)
8 All those who live on the earth will worship him [the Antichrist], everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.

Those who are saved, are those who are written in the book of life of the Lamb before the world was made. He knew who was going to be saved, back when HE first planned it.

Also John used the words WAS SLAUGHTERED, that is very interesting!

No need to be faithful? Rev 2:10
No need to abide in Christ? Jn 15:4
No need to endure to the end? Mt 24:14

 

[VCO]

No need to be faithful? Rev 2:10
No need to abide in Christ? Jn 15:4
No need to endure to the end? Mt 24:14

NO! When you submit To Christ for Real, it will automatically make you faithful, and abiding in Christ, and enduring to the end. AND WHEN YOU FAIL, HE PROMISES TO HEAR OUR CONFESSIONAL PRAYERS.

 

[grace2]

You can only earn rewards by serving HIM. Salvation is NOT A REWARD, it IS UNEARNED A FREE GIFT from HIM. It is BECAUSE we are SAVED, which Puts the desire to Serve HIM in our Hearts.

Sounds like you sould start over, because serving HIM to GET SOMETHING from HIM, is WORTHLESS. That is how worthless sin has made you.

Your commentary has no base as far as Jesus' salvation is concerned because you disregard Jesus' word.

There is no salvation without being faithful to Jesus' teachings or commandments.

Jesus is the Lord.

 

[prism]

Was Jesus our brother in the lord the Son a man a prophet sent as apostle? And like the words the Father spoke through Balaam's Ass a ceremonial unclean, used to represent unbelievers, faithless mankind no faith as power coming from God by which they could believe.

Matthew 1:23 ESV
"Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel" (which means, God with us).
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The Father rebuking the false apostle false prophet Balaam.

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Jesus the Son of man like us had the power to forgive or rebuke. It was not of his own dying flesh and blood an more than Balaam's Ass flesh and blood ,

Jesus has the inherent power to forgive sins...we don't have an inherent power, only an authorization extra nos.

God is not served by the temporal dying hands as a will of mankind in any way shape or form .We have the treasure of his power needed to forgive the eternal wage of sin working in us. Again not of faithless of dying flesh and blood

I'd rather not rely on any alleged 'inherent power' within to forgive my sin. That sounds too new agey. I don't know where the 'faithless of dying flesh and blood' fits in. Do you?

 

[Mr GLee]

Matthew 1:23 ESV
"Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel" (which means, God with us).
.

??

Jesus has the inherent power to forgive sins...we don't have an inherent power, only an authorization extra nos.

I'd rather not rely on any alleged 'inherent power' within to forgive my sin. That sounds too new agey. I don't know where the 'faithless of dying flesh and blood' fits in. Do you?

Hi Thanks.

Matthew 1:23 ESV "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel" (which means, God with us)

The ones with God
Yes God with us not. God is us

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The Father put his words in the mouth of the Ass she prophesied Gods living word it rebuked the false prophet Balaam. Only God can forgive the eternal wage of sin or rebuke the father of lies.

Jesus has the inherent power to forgive sins...we don't have an inherent power, only an authorization extra nos

Jesus our brother in the lord dwelt in a dying body just as us , He as us are given the power from the father to forgive sin but that power is never of us

2 Corinthians 4:7King James Version7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I'd rather not rely on any alleged 'inherent power' within to forgive my sin. That sounds too new agey. I don't know where the 'faithless of dying flesh and blood' fits in. Do you?

Yes not like Catholic confession























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[VCO]

Your commentary has no base as far as Jesus' salvation is concerned because you disregard Jesus' word.

There is no salvation without being faithful to Jesus' teachings or commandments.

Jesus is the Lord.

There is No good men, all we can do is try, and when we fail, we confess it in Prayer.

Matt 15:19​

(ESV)
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.
Mat 15:20
(ESV)
These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”

Jas 1:26​

(ESV)
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless.

Luke 16:15​

(ESV)
And he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.

 

[grace2]

There is No good men, all we can do is try, and when we fail, we confess it in Prayer.

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That's your excuse not to take heed of what Jesus says?