Fruit Of The Spirit

[Eleanor]

Adam was elect.
Even though he was created sinful.

God cannot be the author sin. It is an abomination to him.

 

[fastfredy0]

God cannot be the author sin.

Define "author of sin"

 

[Eleanor]

Define "author of sin"

DIrect originator, coming from his person, as in creation.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Without Noah and the father of Abraham, there is no church. But that doesn't make them the church, the one people of God going all the way back to Abraham (Ro 11:16-23).
The church began with Abraham.

The Church began with Moses.
Abraham was the father of the "Jewish" race.
Moses was the father of the "Jewish" Nation and the Tabernacle.

 

[jeremiah1five]

God cannot be the author sin. It is an abomination to him.

How many times will you reject the Word of God?

13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sa 24:13.

Sin proceeds from the sinner.

And it's possible that the "ancients" mentioned here could go all the way back to Adam and Eve.

It was the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil.

Until the Command of "Thou Shalt Not" given to Adam all he knew was "good." until the command came and it slew him, as Paul said.

The Command "Thou Shalt Not" showed Adam he was a sinner before he sinned.

 

[Eleanor]

DIrect originator, coming from his person, as in creation.

The Church began with Moses.
Abraham was the father of the "Jewish" race.
Moses was the father of the "Jewish" Nation and the Tabernacle.

Ro 11:16 takes the one olive tree of God's people back to the patriarchs, its holy roots,
then presents the branches as the people of God,
thereby making Christ the trunk, which proceeds from the roots (patriarchs) and in which the branches (church) abide.

 

[makesends]

Not elect to salvation.

It being complete rather than incomplete, Christianity, the church, is the one saved (elect) people of God going all the way back to Abraham and the patriarchs (Ro 11:16), the one olive tree of God's people of both OT and NT saints (Heb 11:39, 12:22-23).

Correct. Not all are Israel who are of Israel.

 

[Ritajanice]

Correct. Not all are Israel who are of Israel.

Which means?...

 

[makesends]

How many times will you reject the Word of God?

13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Sa 24:13.

Sin proceeds from the sinner.

And it's possible that the "ancients" mentioned here could go all the way back to Adam and Eve.

It was the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil.

Until the Command of "Thou Shalt Not" given to Adam all he knew was "good." until the command came and it slew him, as Paul said.

The Command "Thou Shalt Not" showed Adam he was a sinner before he sinned.

Looks to me like you misread what @Eleanor said. Try again. Or demonstrate what is wrong that she said. Shouting verses at her doesn't do it.

 

[Ritajanice]

Adam was elect.
Even though he was created sinful.

I read here below??..please explain.....how on Earth could Adam have been created sinful ?

The term has its roots in Genesis 1:27, wherein "God created man in his own image. . ." This scriptural passage does not mean that God is in human form, but rather, that humans are in the image of God in their moral, spiritual, and intellectual nature.

GENESIS 2:7

KJ21​

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

ASV​

And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

AMP​

then the Lord God formed [that is, created the body of] man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being [an individual complete in body and spirit].

AMPC​

Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.


God created man....God could not have created sin in Adam, when he created him from the dust of the ground?

There is NO SIN in God, ..I find that post “he was created sinful” highly offensive.

 

[makesends]

What he does in his children’s life, is for HIS GLORY....everything is about GOD and ZILCH about us....I don’t even recognise who I once was....she’s LONG GONE!....Praise GOD!!

Amen that! Well said.

 

[KatarinaVonBora]

Define "author of sin"

The Bible

Isaiah 45:7​

King James Version​

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7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Read full chapter
Isaiah 45:7 in all English translations

Evil didn't fall out of the sky. Here is a follow up question: Did God know Adam and Eve would sin?

 

[Ritajanice]

Evil didn't fall out of the sky. Here is a follow up question: Did God know Adam and Eve would sin?

Of course he must have known, imo/ belief ...he gave them free will ....they chose to go against the word of God.

I find that unimaginable.....I wouldn’t dare purposely go against the living word of God....I would sooner die....but, I know i have that choice....God does not control me......but, he is far greater in me.....than that evil enemy.....who has given up tempting me in certain areas...,,Lol.

The more I die to self...the more I see the cunning ways of the enemy, ..he wreaked havoc and destruction in my life , all that was taken from me because of sin.....God has/ is....restoring good and Love back into my life.....I never knew what Love was, not until God birthed me in the Spirit.....there is no love on the planet, that can love me as God Loves me..

My testimony and belief..,,Praise God as only HE is worthy of praise....we serve a Mighty..Powerful...God!.

 

[Ritajanice]

Genesis 2:4-3:24

New International Version

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Adam and Eve​

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[b] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life,and the man became a living being.
8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[d]and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[e] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.
But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

The Fall​

3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[i] and hers;
he will crush[j] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
20 Adam[k] named his wife Eve,[l] because she would become the mother of all the living.
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[m] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Ro 11:16 takes the one olive tree of God's people back to the patriarchs, its holy roots,
then presents the branches as the people of God,
thereby making Christ the trunk, which proceeds from the roots (patriarchs) and in which the branches (church) abide.

The Firstfruit is Christ, the Lump is Christ, the Root is Christ.
"Jews" are the NATURAL branches.
Gentile believers are the WILD olive tree.

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches [Israel].
17 And if some of the [natural Israel] branches be broken off, and thou [Gentiles], being a wild olive tree [Gentiles], wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root [Christ] and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they [Natural Israel] were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? Rom. 11:16–24.

So, boast not against the natural branches [Israel]. Be not high-minded but fear. Otherwise, thou also shalt be CUT OFF.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Looks to me like you misread what @Eleanor said. Try again. Or demonstrate what is wrong that she said. Shouting verses at her doesn't do it.

Why are you creating trouble where there is none, busybody.
I am not shouting. Even bold letters are not shouting but emphasis.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I read here below??..please explain.....how on Earth could Adam have been created sinful ?

The term has its roots in Genesis 1:27, wherein "God created man in his own image. . ." This scriptural passage does not mean that God is in human form, but rather, that humans are in the image of God in their moral, spiritual, and intellectual nature.

GENESIS 2:7

KJ21​

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

ASV​

And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

AMP​

then the Lord God formed [that is, created the body of] man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being [an individual complete in body and spirit].

AMPC​

Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.


God created man....God could not have created sin in Adam, when he created him from the dust of the ground?

There is NO SIN in God, ..I find that post “he was created sinful” highly offensive.

I posted "GOD CREATED MAN (ADAM) SINFUL" in Apologetics. Read it there, please, for my understanding and position.

 

[jeremiah1five]

DIrect originator, coming from his person, as in creation.

I agree, creation was also created sinful.

[Author of sin] meaning from you, "Direct originator, coming from His person, as in creation."

 

[Ritajanice]

I posted "GOD CREATED MAN (ADAM) SINFUL" in Apologetics. Read it there, please, for my understanding and position.

Ok, thank you...

 

[praise_yeshua]

God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Deuteronomy 7:7–9 (KJV 1900): 7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: 8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. 9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Romans 11:26–29 (KJV 1900): 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

God says differently.

Without Israel there is no Church.

1 Chronicles 28:8 (KJV 1900): 8 Now therefore in the sight of all Israel the congregation of the Lord, and in the audience of our God, keep and seek for all the commandments of the Lord your God: that ye may possess this good land, and leave it for an inheritance for your children after you for ever.

Christianity is Completed Judaism.

The Times of the Gentiles shall end and God will turn His attention again towards His Chosen people Israel. Elijah will come and turn the hearts of the people back towards God.

Revelation 11:3–6 (KJV 1900): 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Romans 11:1–2 (KJV 1900): I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

Christianity is only Completed Judaism.

Romans 11:18–21 (KJV 1900): 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Paul was dealing with Jews that began the church at Jerusalem and was spreading the Gospel throughout the world. Of course he would be referencing Jews. I'm asking about before Jews even existed. There were countless members of the human race (Adam). What about them?

Enoch was one of these. He is mentioned on the tiny book of Jude. (A Jewish writer)

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Salvation did not start with Abraham. He is included and important but he is not the origins of faith. Adam is. The first to believe God for redemption. That is why Jesus is referenced as the second Adam. NOT the second Abraham.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.