FOR or BECAUSE OF the forgiveness of your sins, (Acts 2:38)

[CrowCross]

don’t you think there’s enough going on at the moment with dispensationalism?

I've pretty much reduced the CT escalogical view of the white horse and millennial reigh to the point the CT'ers have ran out of responses.

How is baptism for the unsaved? Perhaps you have a point I haven't seen or considered.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I've pretty much reduced the CT escalogical view of the white horse and millennial reigh to the point the CT'ers have ran out of responses.

How is baptism for the unsaved? Perhaps you have a point I haven't seen or considered.

You haven't even given time to read your post fully yet let alone time to craft a response to it. You didn't reduce an argument to the point there's no response when you just made the argument and no one has had time to read and begin crafting a response yet.

 

[Carbon]

I've pretty much reduced the CT escalogical view of the white horse and millennial reigh to the point the CT'ers have ran out of responses.

How is baptism for the unsaved? Perhaps you have a point I haven't seen or considered.

You haven’t been successful at all bro. The way dispensationalists ignore truth, don’t change it. Ignoring gets ya no where. Sorry.

 

[CrowCross]

You haven't even given time to read your post fully yet let alone time to craft a response to it. You didn't reduce an argument to the point there's no response when you just made the argument and no one has had time to read and begin crafting a response yet.

You do know for the most part I was referring to two of your post in another thread...as well as a couple from other posters.

You can respond there...as this thread is about Acts 2:38.

 

[CrowCross]

You haven’t been successful at all bro. The way dispensationalists ignore truth, don’t change it. Ignoring gets ya no where. Sorry.

Then in the proper thread explain the white horse problem...explain the 1,000 year reign as already began problem.

 

[Carbon]

Then in the proper thread explain the white horse problem...explain the 1,000 year reign as already began problem.

Give it time bro. What is the big hurry? It seems whenever I give you something to consider, well not just I, but you deny it and say we gave you nothing. I’ll get there.

 

[BillyBob65]

Same thing happened to the Ethiopian official with phillip, as was water Baptized as a sign and confession to his faith already in Lord Jesus as Son of God

The Jailer and the Ethiopian we both baptized with the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38) which reads as God had it recorded
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Here we see I did not change any wording but posted just as God had it recorded. You see that and can't accept it because it messes your man made doctrine up so you try to say it is because of but we see in Acts 22:16 God had it recorded for us to understand his intent was indeed for the remission when he Had Paul tell us it was for washing away sin by calling on the name of the Lord
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

It is not me rejecting what the scriptures teach it is you for the scripture explain itself if you would just allow it to do so.
In Romans 6 Paul explains how God is transforming us in the act of the baptism of Acts 2:38 and in all scripture talking about your baptism is referring to the same baptism as Acts 2:38

You can reject the biblical teaching on baptism all you want but it will be to your demise so I hope you take God at his word. That is what faith is taking God at his word for his word and only his word is truth and life. It matters not what I think pr what you think we ALL must take God at HIS word.

 

[BillyBob65]

However we understand Acts 2:38, it must be seen in the framework of all scriptures regarding salvation, and cannot violate the truth of saved by grace alone received thru faith alone

That is true and you must understand God when he tries to tell you that baptism is that grace. It is when you join Christ at the cross. It is when you put on Christ. It is the new birth. It is when sin is washed away. It is calling on the name of the Lord. How many more times does scripture has to say it for you to understand it. God said it therefore it is truth and life.

 

[BillyBob65]

So you have adjusted your view. That is good. However, one slight correction, A person believes because they have been baptized by the Holy Spirit as per John 3. The new birth also known as regeneration.

A person believes because faith comes by hearing Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. and yes because the spirit uses the word so baptizes with water as you point out in John 3 which Paul details how in Romans 6 where he tell you how one is born again. We must learn to use scripture correctly because it explains itself and shows forth the false teachers that it warns about.

 

[BillyBob65]

Water Baptism saved no lost sinner, but it does point towards the One who did save us from our sins

Yes the blood of Jesus is the saving power and when we are baptized into Christ is when we join him at the cross again see Romans 6 I can only point to Gods word to answer these question it is up to you to study to see the truth for Gods word is truth and life.
Matthew 7:13-23
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I hope and pray I am not so set in my own belief that I hear this at judgement day therefore I must seek the truth in Gods word and do the will of my Farther and hope everyone else has the same mind set.

 

[BillyBob65]

The entry way into the new Covenant is thru the Person of Jesus Christ, NOT thru any rite or sacrament

The entry way into the new covenant is through the blood of Christ and Romans 6 teaches we are baptized into Christ death on the cross which is in reference to Acts 2:38 it is clearly recorded just believe what was recorded that is faith believing Gods words.

 

[BillyBob65]

Water Baptism saved no lost sinner, but it does point towards the One who did save us from our sins

Again you reject the clear teaching God gave on baptism. God said that baptism is for the remission of sin it washes away sin it is calling on the name of the Lord. I gave the scriptures you reject the teaching it is not my words but Gods word you are rejecting.

 

[BillyBob65]

The real baptism that counts is the one that the Holy Spirit does on and he very moment received Jesus as savior and Lord thru faith, as he then indwells seals us into Jesus and the body in a spiritual union sense, and that is NOT when we get water baptized

The spirit baptizes with the baptism of Acts 2:38 for he works through the words of God. Acts 2:38 is a spiritual baptism in the fact that it is God working through this act and no one else. Romans 6 drawls that out.

 

[BillyBob65]

However we understand Acts 2:38, it must be seen in the framework of all scriptures regarding salvation, and cannot violate the truth of saved by grace alone received thru faith alone

I have shown you just how it does that it is you that is messed up in your understanding not the scriptures because you reject what the scriptures is showing you so you can make your belief fit it just doesn't work that way you have to accept what scripture is saying with out adjusting them to fit your belief.

 

[BillyBob65]

To obey the Command of Jesus to get water Baptized after believing in Him as your Savior and Lord

Yes to have your sins remitted and to receive the indwelling spirit. That is what Jesus said the reason he gave the command to be baptized in his name.

 

[CrowCross]

Give it time bro. What is the big hurry? It seems whenever I give you something to consider, well not just I, but you deny it and say we gave you nothing. I’ll get there.

I hope I didn't break any rules and your moderators don't red lne out what I said...and give me a couple of demerits. One in particular seems to be some what trigger happy.